Indian Wells, BNP Paribas Open, CA, USA, ATP Masters 2017

[DarthFed]

^ that's true but Mrzz is also right about Stan's competition. Thiem is the only decent threat he faced this week. And now Roger played a match during the day so that shouldn't be a factor. Since conditions are a little quicker and higher bouncing during the day that figures to favor Fed vs. playing Stan at night.

 

[Moxie]

I haven't seen one match where you hope Roger wins, no bias you sure?

I've never pretended I'm not biased. (See avatar.) But I've often rooted for Roger, except in the final of a major, and usually when he plays Novak. (Yes, again, bias.) Normally, I would root for Roger in this match-up, but it's just about the rankings thing-y.

 

[mrzz]

Who did Federer face that you think was playing better than Stan in this tournament? Not sure that Rafa would have been able to beat him

I meant Federer faced better competition than that which Wawrinka faced.

 

[lob]

I caught the tail end of the second set and what I saw was Roger hitting the first serves into the middle of the net, not even close to the top. That looked worrisome but I will assume it was just a poor stretch.

Congrats. A slam final and now a M1000 final. Not too shabby for the comeback kid.

After AO, I am forever satiated as a Roger fan. So no complaints. However, I've always wondered why his first serves suddenly goes awol like that. Just relieved it didn't happen in the AO 17 F, especially in that fifth set. His fans are yet to recover from the fiasco that was the AO 2009 F where his first serve deserted him. Even the Raonic SF in 2016 W figured some bizarre service games from Roger. He DFd on break points against a rookie servebot. Much as he might claim that can't be due to injuries. Lapse of concentration is more like it. That's why although everybody mentions the 'handicap' of the 6 month break from the tour, I think Roger won AO17 not despite but partly because of that long break. A fresh return gave him concentration. He was burnt out from so much relentless playing. Plus 'the nothing to lose mentality' - his words. He had less pressure than ever in a decade.

 

[britbox]

Results from the Indian Wells Men's Singles Semifinal matches on Saturday

9-Roger Federer (Switzerland) beat 17-Jack Sock (U.S.) 6-1 7-6(4)
3-Stan Wawrinka (Switzerland) beat 21-Pablo Carreno (Spain) 6-3 6-2

 

[britbox]

3-Stan Wawrinka (Switzerland) beat 21-Pablo Carreno (Spain) 6-3 6-2

 

[britbox]

9-Roger Federer (Switzerland) beat 17-Jack Sock (U.S.) 6-1 7-6(4)

 

[britbox]

Indian Wells BNP Paribas Open Final

v

Stan Wawrinka (3) v Roger Federer (9)

H2H: Federer leads 19-3

2017 Australian Open SF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 7-5 6-3 1-6 4-6 6-3
2015 ATP World Tour Finals SF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 7-5 6-3
2015 US Open SF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-3 6-1
2015 FO - RG QF Clay Stan Wawrinka Roger Federer 6-4 6-3 7-6(4)
2015 Rome Masters SF Clay Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-4 6-2
2014 ATP World Tour Finals SF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 4-6 7-5 7-6(6)
2014 Wimbledon QF Grass Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 3-6 7-6(5) 6-4 6-4
2014 Monte Carlo Masters F Clay Stan Wawrinka Roger Federer 4-6 7-6(5) 6-2
2013 Indian Wells Masters R16 Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-3 6-7(4) 7-5
2012 Shanghai Masters R16 Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 4-6 7-6(4) 6-0
2012 Cincinnati Masters SF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 7-6(4) 6-3
2011 Basel SF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 7-6(5) 6-2
2011 FO - RG R16 Clay Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-3 6-2 7-5
2011 Indian Wells Masters QF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-3 6-4
2011 Australian Open QF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-1 6-3 6-3
2010 Stockholm QF Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 2-6 6-3 6-2
2010 FO - RG R16 Clay Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-3 7-6(5) 6-2
2010 Madrid Masters R16 Clay Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-3 6-1
2009 Canadian Masters R16 Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-3 7-6(5)
2009 Monte Carlo Masters R16 Clay Stan Wawrinka Roger Federer 6-4 7-5
2006 Dubai R32 Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 7-6(3) 6-3
2005 Rotterdam R16 Hard Roger Federer Stan Wawrinka 6-1 6-4

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[Moxie]

really? i remember you can't stand the sight of such vastly overrated player who just got lucky in all of his career

Irony lost on you, yet again.

 

[Ricardo]

Irony lost on you, yet again.

the reply wasn't for you, are you reading Moxian again?

get out of the way Moxie, i am doing my thing

 

[herios]

I caught the tail end of the second set and what I saw was Roger hitting the first serves into the middle of the net, not even close to the top. That looked worrisome but I will assume it was just a poor stretch.

Congrats. A slam final and now a M1000 final. Not too shabby for the comeback kid.

After AO, I am forever satiated as a Roger fan. So no complaints. However, I've always wondered why his first serves suddenly goes awol like that. Just relieved it didn't happen in the AO 17 F, especially in that fifth set. His fans are yet to recover from the fiasco that was the AO 2009 F where his first serve deserted him. Even the Raonic SF in 2016 W figured some bizarre service games from Roger. He DFd on break points against a rookie servebot. Much as he might claim that can't be due to injuries. Lapse of concentration is more like it. That's why although everybody mentions the 'handicap' of the 6 month break from the tour, I think Roger won AO17 not despite but partly because of that long break. A fresh return gave him concentration. He was burnt out from so much relentless playing. Plus 'the nothing to lose mentality' - his words. He had less pressure than ever in a decade.

Buddy, you just made my black list for calling Raonic a servebot.
By defeating as many times as he did the all mighty FedEx press breaking him as many times, Raonic demonstrated clearly that he is not just a one trick pony

 

[lob]

OK, my poor choice of words herios. It was not my intention to disparage Milos' game. He is world #4 and not comparable to Isner or Karlovic. More like..Roger was troubled by Milos' service and power but Roger helped a lot by his own inconsistent serving.

Now, get me the heck out of that black list!

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[the AntiPusher]

I caught the tail end of the second set and what I saw was Roger hitting the first serves into the middle of the net, not even close to the top. That looked worrisome but I will assume it was just a poor stretch.

Congrats. A slam final and now a M1000 final. Not too shabby for the comeback kid.

After AO, I am forever satiated as a Roger fan. So no complaints. However, I've always wondered why his first serves suddenly goes awol like that. Just relieved it didn't happen in the AO 17 F, especially in that fifth set. His fans are yet to recover from the fiasco that was the AO 2009 F where his first serve deserted him. Even the Raonic SF in 2016 W figured some bizarre service games from Roger. He DFd on break points against a rookie servebot. Much as he might claim that can't be due to injuries. Lapse of concentration is more like it. That's why although everybody mentions the 'handicap' of the 6 month break from the tour, I think Roger won AO17 not despite but partly because of that long break. A fresh return gave him concentration. He was burnt out from so much relentless playing. Plus 'the nothing to lose mentality' - his words. He had less pressure than ever in a decade.

Buddy, you just made my black list for calling Raonic a servebot.
By defeating as many times as he did the all mighty FedEx press breaking him as many times, Raonic demonstrated clearly that he is not just a one trick pony

Hey Lob , I have been on herios so call black list for more than 7 years..no big deal because the sun still rises somewhere in the east and sets in the west, the Moonlight shines everywhere and Bullwinkle the moose still has more charisma than Milos will ever have.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Kiss of death as predictable as a Donald Trump tweet or his limited vocabulary, picked Roger to win today..

This give Stan a chance and may slow down this "TennisFederer "board , Good Grief

 

[El Dude]

I think Raonic is more comparable to Goran Ivanisevic, at least insofar as both are more than a one-trick pony (Isner, Karlovic) but don't quite have the multi-faceted games to consistently win big titles. Goran held his own against Sampras (6-12), Agassi (3-4) and Chang (4-6), although struggled more vs. Courier (2-8). I see him as probably the 5th best player of his generation, after those four.

So far Milos is 0-4 in big tournament finals - one Slam and three Masters. I imagine that at some point he'll break through and win at least a Masters or two. With the Big Four aging and the younger generation a couple years from prime time, look for Milos to win a Masters or two in the 2017-19 range.

 

[El Dude]

Actually, Raonic has a somewhat similar career pattern to Marin Cilic before Cilic won a Slam, with slightly better Slam results. Actually, crazy thought: When Cilic won the 2014 US Open he was actually a few months younger than Milos is now.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I think Raonic is more comparable to Goran Ivanisevic, at least insofar as both are more than a one-trick pony (Isner, Karlovic) but don't quite have the multi-faceted games to consistently win big titles. Goran held his own against Sampras (6-12), Agassi (3-4) and Chang (4-6), although struggled more vs. Courier (2-8). I see him as probably the 5th best player of his generation, after those four.

So far Milos is 0-4 in big tournament finals - one Slam and three Masters. I imagine that at some point he'll break through and win at least a Masters or two. With the Big Four aging and the younger generation a couple years from prime time, look for Milos to win a Masters or two in the 2017-19 range.

Nah..Goran had personality..Milos is like Lukas the clown Rosol...I recall a few years ago Milos didnt man up on a remarkable bad incident in a match...Milos is a much better player but I wouldn't waste my urine to save either one if their feet were on fire:devil

 

[El Dude]

I wasn't comparing their personalities! But yeah, Milos has a bit of a dopey, gentle giant vibe.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Actually, Raonic has a somewhat similar career pattern to Marin Cilic before Cilic won a Slam, with slightly better Slam results. Actually, crazy thought: When Cilic won the 2014 US Open he was actually a few months younger than Milos is now.

I agree this analysis..very similar to Cilic

 

[El Dude]

Well I think for Milos's fan (herios), the hope is that he's going to have his chances in Slams and Masters over the next few years and even at the WTF. Eventually it is going to pay off...I would be very surprised if he doesn't win at least a Masters.

Similarly with Nishikori, who seems to be the new David Ferrer: the gatekeeper between the elite and second tier. Of course Kei is 27 already, but maybe if he's lucky he'll mirror David's late 20s/early 30s peak.