Indian Wells 2015 semifinal: Djokovic v Murray

[nehmeth]

Novak would not let Murray have that point. 30-0

 

[Fiero425]

Holy defense from Nole...Wow...

That was some defense by Nole! I knew it was over after those 2 "gets!" :eyepop :clap :laydownlaughing

 

[kskate2]

Thank you Nole for putting Andy out of his misery. :clap

 

[nehmeth]

Now that was an impressive display from Novak.

Andy can't blame gamesmanship for this win. :nono

 

[kskate2]

Novak's had a busy day already: changing diapers and waxing the court w/ Muzz! :lolz:

 

[Fiero425]

Novak's had a busy day already: changing diapers and waxing the court w/ Muzz! :lolz:

It would be nice to stop implying Murray is part of the elite! He's nowhere near it even though he picked up those 2 Slams and Olympic Gold! He had a nice run, but it seems to be over! He's good for an upset on a fast court; esp. if the top 3 are troubled by something! That's about it! Murray has to make some drastic changes for me to be even impressed! :nono uzzled :angel: :dodgy: :cover

 

[nehmeth]

Andy was in the 40's somewhere on first serve percentage.

 

[mrzz]

Would somebody please open a new negative thread about Murray? He just made me spend another upset card.

 

[kskate2]

Novak's had a busy day already: changing diapers and waxing the court w/ Muzz! :lolz:

It would be nice to stop implying Murray is part of the elite! He's nowhere near it even though he picked up those 2 Slams and Olympic Gold! He had a nice run, but it seems to be over! He's good for an upset on a fast court; esp. if the top 3 are troubled by something! That's about it! Murray has to make some drastic changes for me to be even impressed! :nono uzzled :angel: :dodgy: :cover

I agree to an extent. He was alot better before the injury and he did win 2 slams and get to other slam finals during the "big 4" era. Now, he just isn't at the same level as before. I don't know that he will ever get back there, but you have to give him credit during the Lendl era. His game was noticeably better.

 

[herios]

I am busy in the kitchen as IO prepare something for a pot luck. I have not watched therefore the match, just checking now on the result.
I was right, Nole won in two
:clap
This so called rivalry looks more and more like the Fedal:snicker

 

[Fiero425]

Novak's had a busy day already: changing diapers and waxing the court w/ Muzz! :lolz:

It would be nice to stop implying Murray is part of the elite! He's nowhere near it even though he picked up those 2 Slams and Olympic Gold! He had a nice run, but it seems to be over! He's good for an upset on a fast court; esp. if the top 3 are troubled by something! That's about it! Murray has to make some drastic changes for me to be even impressed! :nono uzzled :angel: :dodgy: :cover

I agree to an extent. He was alot better before the injury and he did win 2 slams and get to other slam finals during the "big 4" era. Now, he just isn't at the same level as before. I don't know that he will ever get back there, but you have to give him credit during the Lendl era. His game was noticeably better.

It's "his" game that put him in such a condition needing surgery! I've been saying for years that people like Nadal and Murray wear themselves out getting into wars with "nobodies" and never weres due to their defensive games! Their groundstrokes are too good to be languishing near the barricades with the linesmen unwilling to push forward and close out some of those early round matches at the net! it's pathetic to see and then we're supposed to feel sorry for them breaking down; NOT! :cover :nono :dodgy:

 

[nehmeth]

but you have to give him credit during the Lendl era. His game was noticeably better.

I won't discount the back injury. At the same time, before Lendl there were no slam wins and without Lendl, I have difficulty seeing that there will be any more.

When Lendl was in the box - Andy had something about him and Novak was obviously affected. Now, Novak isn't even nervous going out to play Andy.

 

[Mile]

Good play by Djoker, but i am wondering how far was Muzza from AO shape ? Or was Djoker so much better ?

 

[Great Hands]

Congratulations to Novak! Very well played! :clap

I thought Novak would win in straights, but I thought it might be a bit closer than it was.

It was always going to be tough for Andy to beat Novak on this surface, but Murray played poorly today. Having said that, even the occasional points that he played very well, Novak still won most of them.

Murray has NEVER beaten prime Novak on slower surfaces. Murray's wins over Novak - Wimbledon, Olympics on grass, USO, Cincinnati twice, and Dubai. Andy's only wins over Novak on slower-ish surfaces – Toronto 2008 and Miami 2009 – were when Novak was nowhere near the player he is now.

Andy can't hit through Novak from the back of the court on slower hards. And if he tries to come in, the approach better be absolute perfection or he'll get passed. For Andy to beat Novak, 2 things have to happen. 1 – Novak has to underperform, because he's a better player than Andy. 2 – It needs to be on faster surfaces, because this gives Andy's serve and FH more pop. Andy needs the cheaper points on serve to stand a chance against Novak.

Excellent from Novak. Very impressive.

 

[Great Hands]

Novak's had a busy day already: changing diapers and waxing the court w/ Muzz! :lolz:

It would be nice to stop implying Murray is part of the elite! He's nowhere near it even though he picked up those 2 Slams and Olympic Gold! He had a nice run, but it seems to be over! He's good for an upset on a fast court; esp. if the top 3 are troubled by something! That's about it! Murray has to make some drastic changes for me to be even impressed! :nono uzzled :angel: :dodgy: :cover

I agree to an extent. He was alot better before the injury and he did win 2 slams and get to other slam finals during the "big 4" era. Now, he just isn't at the same level as before. I don't know that he will ever get back there, but you have to give him credit during the Lendl era. His game was noticeably better.

Fiero, it depends what you mean by being 'part of the elite'. A top player and GS contender? Yes. As good as the big 3? No.

kskate2, I don't think Andy's level was much better during the Lendl era. Better than last year, when he was returning from surgery, yes. But this year - Andy got to the final of the AO and lost to Novak in 4. During the Lendl era? - he got to the final of the AO and lost to Novak in 4. Even pre-surgery and in the Lendl era, Andy won his 2 slams exactly the way Fiero says he could win them now - when the big 3 were underperforming. There's no other way he's going to do it, because they're better.

As for today, Andy played poorly but, as I posted above, Andy has NEVER beaten prime Novak on slower surfaces. His last win over Novak on slower surfaces was in 2009. So Andy never managed to beat Novak on a slower surface during the Lendl era either.

 

[pavlik89]

Novak Djokovic vs Andy Murray 1/2 Highlights HD Indian Wells 2015

http://www.tennishdhighlights.com/masters/novak-djokovic-vs-andy-murray-12-highlights-hd-indian-wells-2015/

 

[kskate2]

It would be nice to stop implying Murray is part of the elite! He's nowhere near it even though he picked up those 2 Slams and Olympic Gold! He had a nice run, but it seems to be over! He's good for an upset on a fast court; esp. if the top 3 are troubled by something! That's about it! Murray has to make some drastic changes for me to be even impressed! :nono uzzled :angel: :dodgy: :cover

I agree to an extent. He was alot better before the injury and he did win 2 slams and get to other slam finals during the "big 4" era. Now, he just isn't at the same level as before. I don't know that he will ever get back there, but you have to give him credit during the Lendl era. His game was noticeably better.

Fiero, it depends what you mean by being 'part of the elite'. A top player and GS contender? Yes. As good as the big 3? No.

kskate2, I don't think Andy's level was much better during the Lendl era. Better than last year, when he was returning from surgery, yes. But this year - Andy got to the final of the AO and lost to Novak in 4. During the Lendl era? - he got to the final of the AO and lost to Novak in 4. Even pre-surgery and in the Lendl era, Andy won his 2 slams exactly the way Fiero says he could win them now - when the big 3 were underperforming. There's no other way he's going to do it, because they're better.

As for today, Andy played poorly but, as I posted above, Andy has NEVER beaten prime Novak on slower surfaces. His last win over Novak on slower surfaces was in 2009. So Andy never managed to beat Novak on a slower surface during the Lendl era either.

I guess it depends on your definition of prime doesn't it? He has been #1 for several stretches of time. Wouldn't being #1 be considered his prime too?

 

[Great Hands]

I agree to an extent. He was alot better before the injury and he did win 2 slams and get to other slam finals during the "big 4" era. Now, he just isn't at the same level as before. I don't know that he will ever get back there, but you have to give him credit during the Lendl era. His game was noticeably better.

Fiero, it depends what you mean by being 'part of the elite'. A top player and GS contender? Yes. As good as the big 3? No.

kskate2, I don't think Andy's level was much better during the Lendl era. Better than last year, when he was returning from surgery, yes. But this year - Andy got to the final of the AO and lost to Novak in 4. During the Lendl era? - he got to the final of the AO and lost to Novak in 4. Even pre-surgery and in the Lendl era, Andy won his 2 slams exactly the way Fiero says he could win them now - when the big 3 were underperforming. There's no other way he's going to do it, because they're better.

As for today, Andy played poorly but, as I posted above, Andy has NEVER beaten prime Novak on slower surfaces. His last win over Novak on slower surfaces was in 2009. So Andy never managed to beat Novak on a slower surface during the Lendl era either.

I guess it depends on your definition of prime doesn't it? He has been #1 for several stretches of time. Wouldn't being #1 be considered his prime too?

Yes, absolutely being #1 is considered his prime. That's exactly my point - Murray has never beaten Djokovic on slower surfaces since Djokovic has been #1. In fact, the last time was 2009 - well before Djokovic first became #1.