How Worried Are We For Novak?

[DarthFed]

Djoker's style of play has never been as physical as Nadal's and it's well known how crazy flexible he is and that's why he can pull off those shots without too much stress on his body. Physically there is nothing in the history of tennis that compares to Rafa's forehand. Then throw in the fact that for many years he chased down everything imaginable and I'm surprised the guy has lasted this long.

 

[isabelle]

he posted a video where he's having a fitness practice, his legs seem work bu his elbow ?? no idea when he's able to take a racquet

 

[Andy22]

Game over for djokovic, the only reason, Why Djokovic has a good h2h vs. Is because of all the injury's nadal had. And nadal was past his prime by 2015.

 

[Federberg]

Game over for djokovic, the only reason, Why Djokovic has a good h2h vs. Is because of all the injury's nadal had. And nadal was past his prime by 2015.

hahaha! Seriously? That's the only reason?

 

[DarthFed]

The only reason the H2H isn't worse is because Nole was fragile in his young years. Rafa took advantage of him as much if not more than Nole took advantage of post-prime Rafa.

 

[Moxie]

The only reason the H2H isn't worse is because Nole was fragile in his young years. Rafa took advantage of him as much if not more than Nole took advantage of post-prime Rafa.

Now you sound almost as silly as nadalgoat2. If Rafa took advantage of a "fragile" Novak in his earlier career, then so did Roger.

 

[DarthFed]

Now you sound almost as silly as nadalgoat2. If Rafa took advantage of a "fragile" Novak in his earlier career, then so did Roger.

When did I argue otherwise? Those early ones don't indicate too much and neither do Nole's wins over geriatric Fed. I do say that gramps gave prime Nole way more issues than Baby Nole gave to prime Fed

 

[El Dude]

Game over for djokovic, the only reason, Why Djokovic has a good h2h vs. Is because of all the injury's nadal had. And nadal was past his prime by 2015.

Everyone is welcome to this site and the more the merrier, but the more shit like this you spout, the more derision will be heaped upon you.


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[Andy22]

No way Nadal destroyed, Djokovic before, All the Injury's and dominated djokovic, last year. Also the only reason Djokovic beat Nadal after 2010.because the great nadal change his game, if he kept it the some he would have beaten Djokovic in all of they 11,12 matches.

 

[Moxie]

When did I argue otherwise? Those early ones don't indicate too much and neither do Nole's wins over geriatric Fed. I do say that gramps gave prime Nole way more issues than Baby Nole gave to prime Fed

That's fair, though I don't think we get to call him geriatric or "Gramps" just yet. He's having a great late career. But likewise I don't think you can say that had Novak been a stronger competitor earlier on, he'd have done better against one than the other. And, while I do believe that his diet change helped him, I don't think that Novak's only problem before 2011 was that he was "fragile." He took more time to mature, as well. There were plenty of reasons that he lost to Fedal pre-2011. Yes, he has done some beating up on Nadal, but some of that has been when Nadal was in his worst years, as it was when Roger was in his worst ones. I'm not making less of Djokovic, but I won't make more of him when he didn't make more of himself.

 

[DarthFed]

No way Nadal destroyed, Djokovic before, All the Injury's and dominated djokovic, last year. Also the only reason Djokovic beat Nadal after 2010.because the great nadal change his game, if he kept it the some he would have beaten Djokovic in all of they 11,12 matches.

We can go in circles all day on this but the main thing is that Nole caught up to Nadal physically in 2011 and, like Roger, he is simply a technically better player and that's why he dominated him in a major way. Even Rafa and his uncle admit that Roger and Djokovic are well beyond him technically.

 

[Moxie]

We can go in circles all day on this but the main thing is that Nole caught up to Nadal physically in 2011 and, like Roger, he is simply a technically better player and that's why he dominated him in a major way. Even Rafa and his uncle admit that Roger and Djokovic are well beyond him technically.

It benefits you to think that Djokovic is a "technically" better player. I'm really wondering what you mean by that. I'm sure we could go a few rounds on that. Plus, you're a results guy. So I'm interested to know how that shakes down for you.

 

[DarthFed]

What I take it to mean is that if you strip away the athleticism/physicality and intangibles from the game Nole is shot-for-shot clearly a better overall player than Rafa. Basically who do we think would win if their bodies and minds were exact mirrors of each other? And most would say Roger has them both beat on that front in a major way.

 

[Moxie]

What I take it to mean is that if you strip away the athleticism/physicality and intangibles from the game Nole is shot-for-shot clearly a better overall player than Rafa. Basically who do we think would win if their bodies and minds were exact mirrors of each other? And most would say Roger has them both beat on that front in a major way.

What I take that to mean is that you are forever making little of Rafa's talents. Any excuse to belittle them. I'm not sure what to make of your alternate universe. How do you strip all of those things away? Plus, Roger doesn't get out of the scrum.

 

[DarthFed]

What take that to mean is that you are forever making little of Rafa's talents. Any excuse to belittle them. I'm not sure what to make of your alternate universe. How do you strip all of those things away? Plus, Roger doesn't get out of the scrum.

"Roger doesn't get out of the scrum" what's that even mean? And yes you can't remove those things obviously. Basically it's just my opinion that Nadal's physicality has played a much bigger role in his success than it has for Roger and Djokovic.

 

[Moxie]

"Roger doesn't get out of the scrum" what's that even mean? And yes you can't remove those things obviously. Basically it's just my opinion that Nadal's physicality has played a much bigger role in his success than it has for Roger and Djokovic.

I think that "Nadal's physicality" is code for "not talented, just fast, strong and mentally tough." That's Cali's argument. Do you really want to put yourself in that company? Do you really think he's won 16 Majors and so much else (including so much over Roger and Novak) simply by being buff and tough? I think you respect the sport more than that. What I mean about Roger is that you can't remove him from his struggles with Rafa and Novak, though I think you'd like to.

 

[DarthFed]

I think that "Nadal's physicality" is code for "not talented, just fast, strong and mentally tough." That's Cali's argument. Do you really want to put yourself in that company? Do you really think he's won 16 Majors and so much else (including so much over Roger and Novak) simply by being buff and tough? I think you respect the sport more than that. What I mean about Roger is that you can't remove him from his struggles with Rafa and Novak, though I think you'd like to.

Not saying he isn't talented, but just not as naturally talented tennis-wise as Roger or even Djoker IMO

 

[Moxie]

Not saying he isn't talented, but just not as naturally talented tennis-wise as Roger or even Djoker IMO

Well, at least you've copped to it. I'm always astonished that real tennis fans such as yourself are still willing to believe that Nadal is less talented, just because you don't like his game. To me, that's willing yourself not to see it because he's hurt your man so much over the years. But, OK, you've never pretended to make a fair assessment of the game. You're a partisan and so am I.

 

[I.Haychew]

What I take it to mean is that if you strip away the athleticism/physicality and intangibles from the game Nole is shot-for-shot clearly a better overall player than Rafa. Basically who do we think would win if their bodies and minds were exact mirrors of each other? And most would say Roger has them both beat on that front in a major way.

Going by that criteria, Nalbandian beats them all.

 

[Moxie]

Going by that criteria, Nalbandian beats them all.

Ha, I was going to bring him in, but I thought it was too snarky. Thanks, Chewy.