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Broken_Shoelace said:
...the fact that their late game offense consists of nothing but ISOs.

The fact that you don't recognize that this is the result of the basic nature of their roster construction is the problem in this conversation. You severely and vastly overrate the Thunder's talent outside the Big 2. Of course they are going to rely almost entirely on Durant and Westbrook on offense; they have nothing else of significance unless Waiters is playing very well. Reggie Jackson doing one of his mindless sprints to the hole or Ibaka hitting a jumper here and there is not significant.

The Thunder are the classic case and point of what I dubbed the NBA's "role-oriented philosophy", where you take 1 or 2 stars and then build a cast of limited role players (instead of all-around playmakers) around them. This philosophy is why Minnesota went from Western Conference finalists with KG to worst team in the NBA when Garnett was traded to Boston. This philosophy is why Cleveland went from #1 seed in the East in 2009-2010 to losing 26 games in a row during LeBron's first season with Miami.

And, as it pertains to OKC, this is why the Thunder are a measly 9-16 without Durant. And can you imagine just how bad it would be if both Durant and Westbrook were hurt? They would easily be one of the two or three worst teams in the NBA.

I know you think the world of Jeremy Lamb, but I saw him at UConn and he is nothing special. Ibaka is good on defense, but both he and Perkins are totally overpaid. The Thunder are built to live and die with the Durant-Westbrook duo (an imperfect duo, by the way). It's not Brooks's fault that the roster is imbalanced and flawed.

Every team in the Western Conference playoff hunt ahead of OKC has more balance scoring-wise on their roster. They don't have as good a Top 2 and aren't as good on defense, but offensively they are more balanced. And I have to give San Antonio mild credit for understanding that a team of 5 active parts has major advantages over a team dependent on 1 or 2 superstars. Where I object to San Antonio is that their 5 active parts usually are pitiful as individual NBA basketball players.

Also, I would add that you do overrate Durant a little bit. He has great ball skills, but his skinny frame is a problem in terms of closing out games against physical defense. It wasn't Brooks's fault that Durant got tired and missed wide-open jumpshots against San Antonio in Game 6 last year that would have sealed the game. Durant had every chance to win that game and he failed to, partially because he simply missed open shots that people like you think he never misses, partially because he was tired, and partially because Leonard's physicality frustrated him. On all three counts, that was not Scott Brooks's fault.
 

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So, OKC vs. Memphis, it's a 6 point game after 3 quarters, Scott Brooks plays the bench players for 3-4 minutes in the 4th, the game runs away from OKC. Hmmm, I wonder where I've seen that before.
 

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So Westbrook had 45 last night.....man, imagine how good he would be if Brooks wasn't his coach and he had a draconian playcaller like Lionel Hollins who made him pass to the offensive greatness of Ibaka and Reggie Jackson instead.
 

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I think it would be great if GS can make it out of the West.. Step Curry is the type of player that most kids have a chance to immulate meaning. he isnt very tall , doesnt jump very high like Drose or Westbrook but has a good premedicated first step that allows for just enough seperation from his defender for him to take a peak at the basket and drain his jumper.. Just a fantastic player and would love to see more of his extremely hot mother, Sonya Curry

http://www.diehardsport.com/college-basketball/seth-currys-mom-steals-show-duke-unc-game/
 

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The Cavs are on a 12 game winning streak. With Love still not contributing as much as he can. Atlanta won 18 of last 19. They are playing great team basketball. Those two teams seem like the real thing right now. My Raps have won a bunch of games but they have not played good in a month. They need the AS break more than anyone.

I am actually looking forward to the 3 point contest this year more than anything. Great shooters this year.
 

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The Warriors vs the Hawks at Phillips Arena here in the dirty south, Who ya got..

I got the Warriors in an upset.
 

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calitennis127 said:
So Westbrook had 45 last night.....man, imagine how good he would be if Brooks wasn't his coach and he had a draconian playcaller like Lionel Hollins who made him pass to the offensive greatness of Ibaka and Reggie Jackson instead.

LOL, yeah, let's ignore that game earlier this season, against the Pelicans incidentally, when OKC were up by 8 with 5 minutes left and Westbrook passed the ball...ZERO TIMES and went 0-7. Yes, 0 times in 5 minutes. Guess who ended up winning the game? Let's also ignore the million other times when something similar happened.

Russ is awesome. He'd be more awesome with a coach who actually nurtures him and helps him improve his decision making. Scoring 45 points on the Pelicans proves nothing we didn't know already about his abilities.

Imagine how much easier Westbrook would be able to score if he actually had a system around him.
 

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The line-up for the three point contest is mouthwatering.
 

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the AntiPusher said:
I think it would be great if GS can make it out of the West.. Step Curry is the type of player that most kids have a chance to immulate meaning. he isnt very tall , doesnt jump very high like Drose or Westbrook but has a good premedicated first step that allows for just enough seperation from his defender for him to take a peak at the basket and drain his jumper.. Just a fantastic player and would love to see more of his extremely hot mother, Sonya Curry

http://www.diehardsport.com/college-basketball/seth-currys-mom-steals-show-duke-unc-game/

I wouldn't mind seeing them win it all. Very entertaining team and they figure to hold onto #1. I still think against Memphis or an in form/healthy Spurs team they will be in trouble if Bogut isn't around. I will root for Memphis and GS to take the West in that order.
 

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The 3 point shoot out does have a tremendous talent.. i hope the pure catch and shoot guys really get themselves lather up prior because I want to see a Larry Bird or Craig Hodges type of shooting display.
 

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1972Murat said:
the AntiPusher said:
The Warriors vs the Hawks at Phillips Arena here in the dirty south, Who ya got..

I got the Warriors in an upset.

I don't think GSW winning against anyone would be an upset but I see what you are saying. This is a great test of the Hawks defence. I say Hawks in OT.
the Hawks stayed poised while the Warriors played sloppy ball the 2nd half, I hope this is a preview of the finals, sick of LBJ vs the Spurs
 

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the AntiPusher said:
1972Murat said:
the AntiPusher said:
The Warriors vs the Hawks at Phillips Arena here in the dirty south, Who ya got..

I got the Warriors in an upset.

I don't think GSW winning against anyone would be an upset but I see what you are saying. This is a great test of the Hawks defence. I say Hawks in OT.
the Hawks stayed poised while the Warriors played sloppy ball the 2nd half, I hope this is a preview of the finals, sick of LBJ vs the Spurs

Here is the thing with Hawks: They rarely take bad shots. Again, they had almost %50 from the field, with over %50 from 3 point land. Teague is the only guy that can take ill advised shots here and there but they can absorb that. They are playing correct basketball, the type Cali hates, but win games...;)
 

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1972Murat said:
the AntiPusher said:
1972Murat said:
I don't think GSW winning against anyone would be an upset but I see what you are saying. This is a great test of the Hawks defence. I say Hawks in OT.
the Hawks stayed poised while the Warriors played sloppy ball the 2nd half, I hope this is a preview of the finals, sick of LBJ vs the Spurs

Here is the thing with Hawks: They rarely take bad shots. Again, they had almost %50 from the field, with over %50 from 3 point land. Teague is the only guy that can take ill advised shots here and there but they can absorb that. They are playing correct basketball, the type Cali hates, but win games...;)
Spot on Muhat, last night vs GS the Hawks shooting % in the 2nd half was over 65 % , That's sick.
 

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1972Murat said:
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Freaking Anthony Davis...

...and it wasn't even an open 3. He had to double clutch, lean sideways....tough shot.

That was unbelievable.

This game kinda highlights my issues with Scott Brooks in the big picture (and that's ignoring the "little" in-game mistakes). Russell Westbrook was unplayable. Just flat out unguardable. Doing whatever he wanted out there. It probably was the best performance of his career. Kevin Durant was definitely off and rusty, but he still had 27 points (adding to Russ' 48). So your two big stars combined for 75 points. How on earth do you lose the game?

Well, it's simple. Reggie Jackson, Anthony Morrow, and Dion Waiters combined for 11 points. That's the contribution off the bench. Now is it Scott Brooks' fault entirely that Waiters played poorly? No. But if OKC actually had anything resembling an offensive system, there's no way these guys would score so few points.
 

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Murat & AP,
I moved your comments about Dean Smith here:

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=3583&page=3
 

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Bucks continue to majorly overachieve this year. It's refreshing to watch a team that plays solid defense and moves the ball around great. We haven't seen either of those things here in my lifetime. There is no way they would win a lot of games with that personnel if Kidd didn't have them playing great team ball.

I think Budenholzer for Atlanta deserves coach of the year at this point but after that you'd probably have to look at Kidd unless the Bucks really fall off.