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[kskate2]

^ It doesn't help that the front office babies him either. As their MVP and franchise player, they cater to every nuance he has. If he wants to pull a San Antonio and rest every other night, there isn't anything Thibs can do about it.

 

[DarthFed]

Agreed, and that's part of the problem. I don't think anyone is standing up to him in that organization. He won't truly be "back" until we see him play a month straight at 35+ minutes a game. Right now if he sneezes he might pull himself out of the game.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

So, when is Philly going to win their first match? Any suggestions?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Well, it was too good and something was gonna go wrong sooner or later and it did. DeRozan has a torn left adductor longus tendon. Out indefinitely.

 

[kskate2]

That's terrible news Murat. Sorry to hear.

 

[DarthFed]

^ Too bad but the Raps have a lot of guys who can ball and with that up tempo offense I think they will be OK for awhile. But that is undoubtedly a huge loss. Still saying indefinite?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

^ Too bad but the Raps have a lot of guys who can ball and with that up tempo offense I think they will be OK for awhile. But that is undoubtedly a huge loss. Still saying indefinite?

"No timetable for his return " is the official word.

 

[brokenshoelace]

A torn abductor usually takes a lot of time to heal. This could be a huge blow for the Raps.

 

[calitennis127]

^ Too bad but the Raps have a lot of guys who can ball

Yeah yo, the Raps are mad ghetto and they b ballin like crazy when they healthy. Only prob for me is that they b like Nyquill to me when I try watchin they games.

 

[calitennis127]

Lou Williams has a bit of Jamal Crawford in him. I like that.

Jamal Crawford is a very good streaky shooter.. much more reliable than Cali's current man crush JR Smith. However, there is a reason Jamal has been a journeyman basketball player.. he plays no defense and pretty much disappears when the pressure gets tight. Ask Darth or KS, they remember when he was a the Bulls team(the Eddie Curry\Jerry Krause picked team), nuff said

JR and Crawford are both great players. JR at his best is much better, but I still don't understand to this day how people can say that Crawford plays "no defense". It is such a mindless cliche. Chris Paul can get burned off the dribble 15 times, but that's okay so long as he sticks his chest out as he dribbles and barks out plays.

It's much more accurate to say that DeAndre Jordan "plays no offense" than to say Crawford "plays no defense". It is so frustrating how offense is constantly demeaned by people.

 

[calitennis127]

Kobe is the best out of a terrible bunch right now. His team stinks, and he's still a good player who can shoot in volume and score (though his FG percentage has ranged from OK to horrendous), and at his age, that's understandable. But no, he's no longer a superstar as far as playing abilities go, and I don't have any sympathy for him. He wants to get paid, I can respect that, but then, you deal with the consequences of your team not being able to get anyone good to play with you.

Complete misconception. The Lakers would have been just fine if Randle hadn't gotten hurt. Plus, there is no place in the world where incompetence is more rife than in NBA management circles. Even teams that win have rosters full of junk (look at the Heat in recent years). With Randle and a little bit more speed, the Lakers would have been fine.

I would say that only about 15% of the players on NBA rosters are actually among the world's best 300 or so basketball players, and even there I am probably being generous to the NBA.

 

[DarthFed]

^ So you think the average European stiff is better than 85% of the NBA players. If that was the case they'd all be over here making millions.

 

[calitennis127]

^ So you think the average European stiff is better than 85% of the NBA players. If that was the case they'd all be over here making millions.

No, what I mean is that there are a ton of players who aren't in the NBA but are actually better than most NBA players. They are mostly former American college players.

Most NBA players are on rosters for fulfilling a limited purpose such as rebounding, shooting, shotblocking, or in the case of the great Shane Battier, charge-taking!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are not there because they are great all-around basketball players.

Look up Scotty Hopson or Robert Dozier on YouTube. There is no comparison between them and most NBA players. The latter are many steps below.

 

[DarthFed]

^ So you think the average European stiff is better than 85% of the NBA players. If that was the case they'd all be over here making millions.

No, what I mean is that there are a ton of players who aren't in the NBA but are actually better than most NBA players. They are mostly former American college players.

Most NBA players are on rosters for fulfilling a limited purpose such as rebounding, shooting, shotblocking, or in the case of the great Shane Battier, charge-taking!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are not there because they are great all-around basketball players.

Look up Scotty Hopson or Robert Dozier on YouTube. There is no comparison between them and most NBA players. The latter are many steps below.

laydownlaughing Good old Shane, haha.

So you are talking from a talent perspective. Even in that case saying 85% is extreme. But certainly there are SOME guys playing in college and overseas that are better than some of the bench warmers in the NBA. But it's not like the whole league is full of limited one-way players like Battier.

 

[calitennis127]

^ So you think the average European stiff is better than 85% of the NBA players. If that was the case they'd all be over here making millions.

No, what I mean is that there are a ton of players who aren't in the NBA but are actually better than most NBA players. They are mostly former American college players.

Most NBA players are on rosters for fulfilling a limited purpose such as rebounding, shooting, shotblocking, or in the case of the great Shane Battier, charge-taking!!!!!!!!!!!!! They are not there because they are great all-around basketball players.

Look up Scotty Hopson or Robert Dozier on YouTube. There is no comparison between them and most NBA players. The latter are many steps below.

laydownlaughing Good old Shane, haha.

So you are talking from a talent perspective. Even in that case saying 85% is extreme. But certainly there are SOME guys playing in college and overseas that are better than some of the bench warmers in the NBA. But it's not like the whole league is full of limited one-way players like Battier.

I completely disagree.

Do you really think Beno Udrih is one of the world's best 1,000 basketball players? Matt Bonner? Udonnis Haslem? Mario Chalmers? Mahinmi? Jason Smith (on the Knicks)? Quincy Acy? The entire Bulls team the last 5 years? Reggie Evans?

DeAndre Jordan isn't even in the top 20 percentile of college or pro players anywhere in terms of skill.

Joachim Noah shoots a basketball like an 8-year-old kid.

Need I go on?

 

[DarthFed]

^ Yes, you do, because you listed about 10 players, not 250

 

[brokenshoelace]

Kevin Durant is back tonight. Freaking finally.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Kevin Durant is back tonight. Freaking finally.

27 points for KD in his first game back. Not enough for OKC but a good start for the guy, no?

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

And a triple double for Kobe tonight...12 points, 13 assists, uhm....10 turnovers.:snigger

 

[brokenshoelace]

Kevin Durant is back tonight. Freaking finally.

27 points for KD in his first game back. Not enough for OKC but a good start for the guy, no?

Yeah he didn't look too rusty. Russ was disappointing after looking so sharp against the Knicks. Then again maybe he looked so sharp because he was playing the Knicks. The problem for OKC is there's no more margin for error. They need to go on a big winning streak now to have a chance at making the playoffs.