Gerry Weber Open, Halle, Germany, ATP 500

[Moxie]

Like he was last year? That Laver cup is the worst thing he can play at his age in the middle of the calendar. Adds absolutely nothing to his resume.

He must skip Shanghai then. By the time WTF rolls around Laver Cup and Shanghai is one tournament too many. Last year he was on an empty tank in the match against Muffin.

Is Laver Cup that bad for him? It's mostly for fun, right? I do think he has to participate, though likely he gets to pick and choose what he plays. In a way, this is part of his farewell tour, with the long view. He's going to Miss Kelly's town for the first time, this year.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I think we've figured out that the contract is up, but nothing else is in place. Either he'll resign with them, or go elsewhere, but I guess until it's decided, he's going with Nike. I wonder if he'll be wearing them at Wimbledon, though.

I think, changes in attire and sponsor, if any, will be beginning from Wimbledon.

 

[Front242]

Lol, I meant RABID!!!!!!!!!!!

I knew that. I was just being an asswipe

 

[monfed]

Is Laver Cup that bad for him? It's mostly for fun, right? I do think he has to participate, though likely he gets to pick and choose what he plays. In a way, this is part of his farewell tour, with the long view. He's going to Miss Kelly's town for the first time, this year.

Any extra tournament that doesnt add to his resume is bad for him so if he can skip LC he must. He's almost 37, that's pretty much retirement age. These next few months are absolutely vital for him

 

[Moxie]

Any extra tournament that doesnt add to his resume is bad for him so if he can skip LC he must. He's almost 37, that's pretty much retirement age. These next few months are absolutely vital for him

I understand your concern. And @DarthFed is saying much the same about the rest of this year. But he can't skip the LC. It's his baby, and part of his legacy. I'm expecting that he'll be part of it even after retirement. I just doubt that he'll risk injury in playing it. He'll have complete say over how much and when he plays.

 

[lob]

He should just play Cincy in my opinion. It's a much better tournament for him.

Maybe going forward he should just play Halle before Wimbledon. It's possible if he lost early at Stuttgart he'd have played much better this week. That's my hope at least. The worry is that he may not be able to step it up big at Wimbledon. Stuttgart seemed quicker than Halle too, and Wimbledon is a lot slower than both which means a lot more baseline rallies. The only good match so far on grass he's had from the baseline was Milos a week ago.

This serious discussion on Federer's Fall scheduIe is a bit gloomy. I get the sense that everybody, except Roger himself, has conceded Wimbledon to his co-favorites. Yes, it's likely that he won't win it. But it's still interesting to see how and at what stage he will lose. My guess is that he will make it to the SF or even the F but lose there.

He is such a sentimental dude about tennis. Can't imagine him not wondering if this might be his last Wimbledon as a defending champion. He will show some fight.

 

[Moxie]

This serious discussion on Federer's Fall scheduIe is a bit gloomy. I get the sense that everybody, except Roger himself, has conceded Wimbledon to his co-favorites. Yes, it's likely that he won't win it. But it's still interesting to see how and at what stage he will lose. My guess is that he will make it to the SF or even the F but lose there.

He is such a sentimental dude about tennis. Can't imagine him not wondering if this might be his last Wimbledon as a defending champion. He will show some fight.

Isn't Roger still the favorite to win Wimbledon? Everyone is being gloomy, indeed. There aren't really that many threats. Cilic...pffft.

 

[DarthFed]

This serious discussion on Federer's Fall scheduIe is a bit gloomy. I get the sense that everybody, except Roger himself, has conceded Wimbledon to his co-favorites. Yes, it's likely that he won't win it. But it's still interesting to see how and at what stage he will lose. My guess is that he will make it to the SF or even the F but lose there.

He is such a sentimental dude about tennis. Can't imagine him not wondering if this might be his last Wimbledon as a defending champion. He will show some fight.

I'm not writing off his chances but he is going to have to show a lot more than this. He looked decent enough in Stuttgart to have a decent shot at Wimbledon but that's a much different court. The Roger of this week was at Ground Zero. Definitely the worst full week of tennis we've seen from him since his comeback last year. So we will see if he can up the ante at Wimbledon. If he gets to the final he probably wins it, but he could lose to any number of players if he looks like he did this week.

 

[DarthFed]

I understand your concern. And @DarthFed is saying much the same about the rest of this year. But he can't skip the LC. It's his baby, and part of his legacy. I'm expecting that he'll be part of it even after retirement. I just doubt that he'll risk injury in playing it. He'll have complete say over how much and when he plays.

He won't skip LC but I definitely wish he did. That does nothing for his legacy. Winning another YEC does and if it's a race for #1 I'd say finishing the year at #1 would be enormous as well. I argued with fellow Fed fans last year on that score, I didn't want Fed to overplay for it but of course finishing #1 when he is 100 years old would be insane.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

He won't skip LC but I definitely wish he did. That does nothing for his legacy. Winning another YEC does and if it's a race for #1 I'd say finishing the year at #1 would be enormous as well. I argued with fellow Fed fans last year on that score, I didn't want Fed to overplay for it but of course finishing #1 when he is 100 years old would be insane.

YE#1 ship would definitely have sailed off, if he does not win Wimbledon and/or USO. If he does not win at least one of these two, he might as well skip several tourneys and try to win WTF.

Even if he wins Wimbledon, he should not even think about YE #1 until after USO is done and dusted.

 

[Moxie]

He won't skip LC but I definitely wish he did. That does nothing for his legacy. Winning another YEC does and if it's a race for #1 I'd say finishing the year at #1 would be enormous as well. I argued with fellow Fed fans last year on that score, I didn't want Fed to overplay for it but of course finishing #1 when he is 100 years old would be insane.

He's created it and he can't skip it. Since you have Roger and Mirka's ear, I don't know why you didn't tell them to wait until he retired to do it, but what's done is done.

 

[DarthFed]

He's created it and he can't skip it. Since you have Roger and Mirka's ear, I don't know why you didn't tell them to wait until he retired to do it, but what's done is done.

Clearly I don't have enough of his ear

 

[10isfan]

I couldn’t get myself to watch the replay knowing Fed lost. Did he not get injured falling in the third set?

 

[the AntiPusher]

My hair is read and now I have to walk with crutches for a while

I am sorry.you will heal soon my friend and will be running with the masses soon enough. Take care

 

[Federberg]

YE#1 ship would definitely have sailed off, if he does not win Wimbledon and/or USO. If he does not win at least one of these two, he might as well skip several tourneys and try to win WTF.

Even if he wins Wimbledon, he should not even think about YE #1 until after USO is done and dusted.

I have a feeling YE#1 is less important to him this year. That Nike contract is expired anyway. Don't think he other major sponsors care so much as they're with him more for lifestyle reasons than pure sports.

 

[monfed]

I understand your concern. And @DarthFed is saying much the same about the rest of this year. But he can't skip the LC. It's his baby, and part of his legacy. I'm expecting that he'll be part of it even after retirement. I just doubt that he'll risk injury in playing it. He'll have complete say over how much and when he plays.

It doesn't matter how much he plays and Fed never plays with half commitment. So whatever amount he plays is already using up his limited reserves of energy which will jeopardise both YE#1( if it's still on the table) and WTF.

Fed is getting to the point where soon he'll find playing just one MS before a slam too much.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

It doesn't matter how much he plays and Fed never plays with half commitment. So whatever amount he plays is already using up his limited reserves of energy which will jeopardise both YE#1( if it's still on the table) and WTF.

Fed is getting to the point where soon he'll find playing just one MS before a slam too much.

It's the back-to-back matches which are proving to be grueling for him.
Sunshine double is very important for him in the coming years because they're the only two Masters 1000 which has a day resting between matches plus he gets rest afterwards(assuming he skips clay again)
Gaining only 610/2000 points in those two tournaments have cost him so many weeks at #1 this year already.

 

[monfed]

It's the back-to-back matches which are proving to be grueling for him.
Sunshine double is very important for him in the coming years because they're the only two Masters 1000 which has a day resting between matches plus he gets rest afterwards(assuming he skips clay again)
Gaining only 610/2000 points in those two tournaments have cost him so many weeks at #1 this year already.

Agreed but you have to factor in the issue that those courts are bouncy , gritty which Fed finds very hard to penetrate even though the schedule is manageable.

But yes no doubt that loss to Delmugtro was truly awful and one of the worst MS1000 losses of his career which also ruined Miami.

 

[DarthFed]

It doesn't matter how much he plays and Fed never plays with half commitment. So whatever amount he plays is already using up his limited reserves of energy which will jeopardise both YE#1( if it's still on the table) and WTF.

Fed is getting to the point where soon he'll find playing just one MS before a slam too much.

He's fine after a long break, but this week and the way he looked in that awful Miami loss makes me think he should not be doing back to back tournaments again. The main thing is not getting hurt, and the fact of the matter is his risk of doing that is much greater by possibly overplaying, especially when he is getting moved around so much when he plays poorly.

I'm still not entirely sure he is 100%, he looked like he was 46 years old for much of the week and even yesterday the movement looked hampered.

 

[monfed]

He's fine after a long break, but this week and the way he looked in that awful Miami loss makes me think he should not be doing back to back tournaments again. The main thing is not getting hurt, and the fact of the matter is his risk of doing that is much greater by possibly overplaying, especially when he is getting moved around so much when he plays poorly.

I'm still not entirely sure he is 100%, he looked like he was 46 years old for much of the week and even yesterday the movement looked hampered.

Do you think he'll recover by Wimbledon?