Find a Coach for Andy

[herios]

I see that Lendl is highly praised for Murray's peak achievements. And I agree with that.
But let's think a little, Murray even before Lendl was a lot better than what he has shown this year, wasn't he?
Therefore, there is no reason for him to get back to at least that level.
But of course, some of the improvement of the opposition has to be taken Ito consideration as well.

 

[tented]

You can't blame the coach if the player isn't doing well imo. Maybe her ideas are good and his execution is at fault.

Ever? :huh:

 

[Front242]

Well, if the coach is Ray Charles maybe but otherwise not often imo. I mean when a player is hitting crap 2nd serves and moonballing short balls anyone with half a brain could them that won't win matches so in that respect they've only themselves to blame for losing matches.

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

Well, if the coach is Ray Charles maybe but otherwise not often imo. I mean when a player is hitting crap 2nd serves and moonballing short balls anyone with half a brain could them that won't win matches so in that respect they've only themselves to blame for losing matches.

But Lendl was able to somewhat correct the biggest weakness of Murray's game at the time, which was the forehand. Amelie at least has to make an effort to correct Murray's second serve issues. Change the grip, the technic, whatever it takes. That is what off season is for.

 

[Front242]

Murray's forehand was amazing for the latter half of set 2 and early set 3 against Novak at the US Open. Never saw him hitting it that way before that match so if I were him or his coach I'd try and do that more often.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Andy is established enough in the sport that he can only blame himself for poor results. We can put some of this year down to the back injury, and the blow of losing Lendl, but most of the blame has to go to him. To be fair to Mauresmo, I do feel as if Murray has played some better tennis in the second half of the year, but I don't know if she's the kind of personality to push him back into the more aggressive and clinical style of play that brought him success with Ivan.

I don't feel that Andy should need a hard personality to force him back into playing his best tennis, but if that's the way he finds his greatest success, that's what he has to do.

I don't think that Mauresmo will get him back where he needs to be, not because she's a woman or an inefficient coach, but because it seems to require a very specific type of personality to be the right guiding hand for Andy, and she doesn't fit the mould.

Perhaps this just has been a bad year for him, and maybe he'll come back into the fold next year with Amelie at his back, but if that's not the case and there's an alternative, more Lendl-esque coach available early in 2015, it would probably be wise to make the switch.

I totally disagree with your opinion. I strongly feel he needs such a hard personality and a strict
disciplinarian as a coach for him. I am saying this in the true interests of what I think will be the
best for him.

 

[TennisFanatic7]

Re: RE: Find a Coach for Andy

Andy is established enough in the sport that he can only blame himself for poor results. We can put some of this year down to the back injury, and the blow of losing Lendl, but most of the blame has to go to him. To be fair to Mauresmo, I do feel as if Murray has played some better tennis in the second half of the year, but I don't know if she's the kind of personality to push him back into the more aggressive and clinical style of play that brought him success with Ivan.

I don't feel that Andy should need a hard personality to force him back into playing his best tennis, but if that's the way he finds his greatest success, that's what he has to do.

I don't think that Mauresmo will get him back where he needs to be, not because she's a woman or an inefficient coach, but because it seems to require a very specific type of personality to be the right guiding hand for Andy, and she doesn't fit the mould.

Perhaps this just has been a bad year for him, and maybe he'll come back into the fold next year with Amelie at his back, but if that's not the case and there's an alternative, more Lendl-esque coach available early in 2015, it would probably be wise to make the switch.

I totally disagree with your opinion. I strongly feel he needs such a hard personality and a strict
disciplinarian as a coach for him. I am saying this in the true interests of what I think will be the
best for him.

I don't think you strongly disagree with me then, all I'm saying in the bold part there is that a player of Andy's calibre should be able to discipline himself now that he knows what it takes to compete as an elite player. In the following paragraph I've said pretty much what you're saying, but with probablys rather than certainties.

 

[nehmeth]

After thinking about Andy's situation, I completely blame him - not Mauresmo. He chose his coach. He went for the Plan B in a kinder gentler coach, rather than the Lendl model who brought him his greatest success on the tour.

Even his results with Maclagan were far better than what he's done this year.

Andy's chosen to stick with Mauresmo up til now. The only thing that would make me happier is if he decides to bring Todd Martin into the fold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t-2DdirOuo

 

[Front242]

^ That Todd Martin serve was class NOT!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

After thinking about Andy's situation, I completely blame him - not Mauresmo. He chose his coach. He went for the Plan B in a kinder gentler coach, rather than the Lendl model who brought him his greatest success on the tour.

Even his results with Maclagan were far better than what he's done this year.

Andy's chosen to stick with Mauresmo up til now. The only thing that would make me happier is if he decides to bring Todd Martin into the fold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t-2DdirOuo

Please with friends like you,noone needs enemies...
I still have nightmares of Todd Martin coaching Novak....

 

[nehmeth]

The only thing that would make me happier is if he decides to bring Todd Martin into the fold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t-2DdirOuo

I still have nightmares of Todd Martin coaching Novak....

Every so often I will watch this link, just to reflect (with gratitude) on how far Nole has come.

Too this day, seeing him kneeling to serve and falling over is still painful. :cover

 

[Kieran]

The only thing that would make me happier is if he decides to bring Todd Martin into the fold.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t-2DdirOuo

I still have nightmares of Todd Martin coaching Novak....

Every so often I will watch this link, just to reflect (with gratitude) on how far Nole has come.

Too this day, seeing him kneeling to serve and falling over is still painful. :cover

It's kind of proof for anyone who still needs it that coaches have a massive effect on players - for good or bad...

 

[brokenshoelace]

Andy is established enough in the sport that he can only blame himself for poor results. We can put some of this year down to the back injury, and the blow of losing Lendl, but most of the blame has to go to him. To be fair to Mauresmo, I do feel as if Murray has played some better tennis in the second half of the year, but I don't know if she's the kind of personality to push him back into the more aggressive and clinical style of play that brought him success with Ivan.

I don't feel that Andy should need a hard personality to force him back into playing his best tennis, but if that's the way he finds his greatest success, that's what he has to do.

I don't think that Mauresmo will get him back where he needs to be, not because she's a woman or an inefficient coach, but because it seems to require a very specific type of personality to be the right guiding hand for Andy, and she doesn't fit the mould.

Perhaps this just has been a bad year for him, and maybe he'll come back into the fold next year with Amelie at his back, but if that's not the case and there's an alternative, more Lendl-esque coach available early in 2015, it would probably be wise to make the switch.

I totally disagree with your opinion. I strongly feel he needs such a hard personality and a strict
disciplinarian as a coach for him. I am saying this in the true interests of what I think will be the
best for him.

Murray was reaching finals and semis for fun, and was winning masters 1000 events with regularity, without a "disciplinarian." He was also regularly beating Federer and Djokovic (and to a lesser extent Nadal) without this disciplinarian. In fact, he was doing it with a his friend as a coach, and his mother's supervision. Yeah, Lendl got him over the final hurdle, but I don't know how we can state with any measure of certainty that it was due to his "disciplinarian" ways. I don't know that Andy lacks "discipline" and I doubt that it is what was holding his forehand back until Lendl came along.

Hiring Mauresmo proved to be a stupid decision though.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I still have nightmares of Todd Martin coaching Novak....

Every so often I will watch this link, just to reflect (with gratitude) on how far Nole has come.

Too this day, seeing him kneeling to serve and falling over is still painful. :cover

It's kind of proof for anyone who still needs it that coaches have a massive effect on players - for good or bad...

Big, not massive. Yes. I know it sounds like I'm splitting hairs, but not really. Otherwise, Uncle Toni should have been fired for 2011

And yet, I'd still say that the role of coaches is generally OVERSTATED than it is understated, even though it remains nonetheless big.

 

[isabelle]

Andy should fire Amélie...she the worst coach ever for him