Federer's Schedule 2018

[DarthFed]

Nah, it's just that it's getting late. I was setting up my argument for tomorrow. :lulz2:

Come up with something better my dear. You made it easy tonight

 

[El Dude]

I think Roger can win RG, even beat Nadal there. I wouldn't give him even odds, but it is best chance to beat him there since, I don' know, ever maybe?

 

[Moxie]

Come up with something better my dear. You made it easy tonight

No, seriously...I'm dying to hear how you justify the bring back the h2h after years of pooh-poohing it. Sweet dreams!

 

[Busted]

I think Roger can win RG, even beat Nadal there. I wouldn't give him even odds, but it is best chance to beat him there since, I don' know, ever maybe?

I concur. I hope he plays this year when he has a good chance to win it and not just do it as a swan song to play there one last time before he retires.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Here are the current odds for winning RG as per bookies. Roger does not even figure in top 5.

1. Rafa 1
2. Novak 7
3. Thiem 8
4. Andy 14
5. Man 16
6. Federer 18

 

[Moxie]

I think Roger can win RG, even beat Nadal there. I wouldn't give him even odds, but it is best chance to beat him there since, I don' know, ever maybe?

Of all the things that Federer fans are putting their renewed faith in him on, I think winning RG and beating Nadal there is the most unlikely. I'm not trying to say that just as a Nadal fan. Pros could be if Rafa is injured. In that case, the field could be beatable for him, with Novak and Andy out. Cons are, with Rafa in, I still don't think he beats him at RG. Also in the negative column is expending too much energy wasted on clay and not having it for grass.

 

[DarthFed]

No, seriously...I'm dying to hear how you justify the bring back the h2h after years of pooh-poohing it. Sweet dreams!

I didn't even bring up the H2H from last year. Federer clearly had the better year and it's continued into 2018.

 

[El Dude]

Again, I don't think he would be favored against Nadal, just that it is more possible than it ever has been. We don't know how 2018 Roger would fare against 2018 Rafa on clay, especially with the psychological element changed.

 

[Moxie]

Again, I don't think he would be favored against Nadal, just that it is more possible than it ever has been. We don't know how 2018 Roger would fare against 2018 Rafa on clay, especially with the psychological element changed.

I don't think the psychological is that impactful, and I don't think it would have any impact on clay, except probably still against Roger. To get to Rafa, he'd still have to go through 6 clay matches, testing the knee and the back. It also bears remembering that Rafa didn't just get through the clay season as the last man standing last year. He was playing some very fine clay tennis. If he plays even close to that this year, Roger doesn't beat him. I don't care how miraculous Fed's new BH is.

 

[DarthFed]

To me it goes back to what Front mentioned, if he plays clay he may get out of the ultra -aggressive play that should see him dominate everything post-clay. And then you add to that injury concerns as he says his knee feels weird on clay. If he did only play 2 clay events I don't see fatigue being a big issue for Wimbledon but injury and breaking up the great aggressive play could hurt him there. Roger should be targeting more Wimbledons, he's still underachieved there in my book.

 

[Moxie]

I find it overly concerned the notion that Roger would get out of the habit of playing hyper-aggressive tennis by playing on clay. He's been pretty good at switching his style to surfaces over the years, and he will have Halle. I agree that the concern would be over-use and being tired or injured. Only he can make that call, when Rome looms, or whatever.

 

[Andy22]

I think Roger can win RG, even beat Nadal there. I wouldn't give him even odds, but it is best chance to beat him there since, I don' know, ever maybe?

No way man you are dreaming, Federer has not beaten Nadal since 09, on clay if Federer plays nadal on clay he will just be his door mat.

 

[Andy22]

I didn't even bring up the H2H from last year. Federer clearly had the better year and it's continued into 2018.

hah hah Nadal was the one that ended the year number one, Federer did not even win the wtf lost to goffin. Also did not play the clay court season because he too scared to play nadal. Plus Nadal has the best Second serve on the tour 57% better than Federer.

 

[Moxie]

I didn't even bring up the H2H from last year. Federer clearly had the better year and it's continued into 2018.

The subtle mention of the same tournaments they played in, with Roger getting the better. Nice touch. Also kind of weirdly nerdy that you know that. You're angling for a h2h there, since it doesn't matter in how the year ended up.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

To me it goes back to what Front mentioned, if he plays clay he may get out of the ultra -aggressive play that should see him dominate everything post-clay. And then you add to that injury concerns as he says his knee feels weird on clay. If he did only play 2 clay events I don't see fatigue being a big issue for Wimbledon but injury and breaking up the great aggressive play could hurt him there. Roger should be targeting more Wimbledons, he's still underachieved there in my book.

Pretty much.
Also I'd add that he's underachieved on USO too.

 

[Moxie]

Pretty much.
Also I'd add that he's underachieved on USO too.

Darth has moaned about the same thing. it's a lot of whining and also disparaging of those who have won at Wimbledon and the USO where Roger failed to do better. It's kind of childish and insulting to others to say that Roger, who has achieved so much, has "underachieved" at those tournaments. If he could have done better, he would have. There are no "theoretical" Wimbledons or USOs that he should have won. There are only the actual ones he didn't win.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

They are giving 1:50 odds for Fed to win all four slams this year.

 

[Moxie]

They are giving 1:50 odds for Fed to win all four slams this year.

Well THAT must let you sleep better at night. Particularly knowing that some betting odds morons, who clearly know nothing about tennis, think so. What were the odds in those years when he was still in his 20s and won 3?

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Darth has moaned about the same thing. it's a lot of whining and also disparaging of those who have won at Wimbledon and the USO where Roger failed to do better. It's kind of childish and insulting to others to say that Roger, who has achieved so much, has "underachieved" at those tournaments. If he could have done better, he would have. There are no "theoretical" Wimbledons or USOs that he should have won. There are only the actual ones he didn't win.

Saying Federer underachieved does not mean others did not deserve their win.
It just means Federer got unlucky at those majors by playing well at inopportune moments
Like for instance,
If Federer brought his Wimbledon 2014-2015 form in 2013 and 2016(injured in both years).This does not mean the winner did not deserve the victories.
Also,in USO open he likely would've won with his 2015 form in 2016 but again suffered due to injury.Also the multiple match points and BP squandering losses .Not to mention the surface being slower than it used to be.
This again does not take anything away from the Victor but Federers own undoing.
Also,it's not moaning it's a discussion forum.We put forth our thoughts like Darth thinks Federer underachieved.I agree with him.You might not feel the same and that's ok but please don't call our opinions moaning

 

[I.Haychew]

Saying Federer underachieved does not mean others did not deserve their win.
It just means Federer got unlucky at those majors by playing well at inopportune moments
Like for instance,
If Federer brought his Wimbledon 2014-2015 form in 2013 and 2016(injured in both years).This does not mean the winner did not deserve the victories.
Also,in USO open he likely would've won with his 2015 form in 2016 but again suffered due to injury.Also the multiple match points and BP squandering losses .Not to mention the surface being slower than it used to be.
This again does not take anything away from the Victor but Federers own undoing.
Also,it's not moaning it's a discussion forum.We forth our thoughts like Darth thinks Federer underachieved.I agree with him.You might not feel the same and that's ok but please don't call out opinions moaning

Unlucky by playing well at inopportune moments? Not sure what that means. "Likely would have won" Wimbledon if not injured. "Likely would have won" the US Open had he not been injured and/or had he not squandered match/break points and had the surface not been slowed. Too many "ifs". Sounds like a lot of excuses, to me.