Fedal 34

[Front242]

You've been posting tons about his incline as have other fans like Carol that she thinks Nadal will beat Novak soon. I don't personally but just saying, things clearly don't appear to be that bad really considering even in his prime and when number 1 in the world, Rafa never won an indoor event. So if he wins it's actually most unexpected unlike the counter side of that with you pretty confident he'll win. Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer, so guess what, the older guy declined years ago. What we're seeing now is Nadal older and actually better on his worst surface. If you want to call that a decline though, fair enough

 

[the AntiPusher]

Well if any Nadal fans claim Federer only won because Nadal is declining they have a lot of nerve considering Federer's prime ended donkey's years ago. That said, I've no idea who will win. Depends how well they both serve. This will be a totally different match than Gasquet v Nadal, for example. No donkey tactics of staying 52 feet by the baseline by Roger, who will attack the net relentlessly. I'm especially interested to see him try the SABR on Rafa and he better not play a match where he squanders tons of break points.

Eh, obviously if Federer wins it'll be due to Rafa's decline. Rafa has won the previous 5 matches between them. When did Roger last beat him? 2012?

It will be interesting to see if Roger tries the old SABR, but remember, most of Rafa's serves will be into his backhand. I don't know if he's trying SABR from that side. If he does, it'll be a great change of tack.

Who's under most pressure tomorrow?

I think Roger, because he's expected to win. He's world #2, and it's indoor in his hometown. They have a fat cow waiting to be presented to him, with a gold bell around it's neck.

Not Nazi gold, stop it! :lolz:

If Roger tries the Saber attack, Rafa should be able to make him pay dearly, IMO

 

[tented]

I cant speak for all Rafa fans but I see Roger as a big favorite. Rafa isn't playing no where near that level as he did in 2014. Roger is playing better, IMO.

This Nadal fan also sees Roger as the favorite. (Sorry, guys!)

Indoor hard court -- Roger's specialty, and Rafa's Achille's heel. It may go three, but I'm voting Roger in two.

 

[tented]

Interesting factoid: this will be their first meeting not at a Grand Slam or a Masters since their 2006 final in Dubai -- which was actually their only other non-GS/non-Masters encounter.

The organizers in Basel must be thrilled.

 

[Carol]

I don't know what to think, it's obvious that Roger is the favorite, his town, Indoor, #2 and much better results this year than Rafa so he could be the winner. But..... if Rafa doesn't have any discomfort with the knee (hope not) I wouldn't be surprised if he wins in 2 or 3 and if he doesn't I wouldn't mind at all. I have enough seeing that he is improving a lot and he will be soon the same player that he he was before (if he is injury free of course) and he will be able to play in London much better than the previous years

 

[Front242]

Don't believe he was ever injured at the WTF before and he says his knee is fine. Hopefully it will be a good match with high quality play but it's quite possible it'll be the opposite.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

What time does it start?

Time: Not before 2.30 pm local time / 1.30 pm GMT – United Kingdom / 2.30 pm CET – Spain, France, Germany, Italy / 9.30 am EDT – New York, Montreal / November 2, o.30 am AEDT – Melbourne.

Thanks to this website...

http://rafaelnadalfans.com/2015/10/31/swiss-indoors-final-what-time-does-rafael-nadal-play-against-roger-federer-in-basel-when-does-rafa-play-next-match/

2:30 p.m. local time. 10:30 a.m. eastern time for those of us in the U.S.

No, it is 8:30 a.m. You are moving the clock in the wrong direction.

 

[Kieran]

You've been posting tons about his incline as have other fans like Carol that she thinks Nadal will beat Novak soon. I don't personally but just saying, things clearly don't appear to be that bad really considering even in his prime and when number 1 in the world, Rafa never won an indoor event. So if he wins it's actually most unexpected unlike the counter side of that with you pretty confident he'll win. Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer, so guess what, the older guy declined years ago. What we're seeing now is Nadal older and actually better on his worst surface. If you want to call that a decline though, fair enough

I suppose being #7 is slight evidence of a decline, plus his results this year. Oh, and no slam semis, let alone a victory, after an unprecedented decade of them. That's certainly a decline. I can see that much without me glasses.

The pressure will be on Federer tomorrow. #2 is expected to beat #7, especially on the lower ranked players worst surface. Plus, a chance to beat Nadal. Finally! That's the kina pressure that can affect a bloke, especially a man of his years.

We shall see tomorrow. This match is another taking of the pulse for Rafa. A defeat signifies little, but a win shows more signs of progress...

 

[Front242]

Nothing like ambiguous comments and double standards. Tell me how it's possible for a win to show signs of progress when you previously said this:

"If Rafa can't beat Roger, it would be more worrying a loss than the triple-whammy to Triple-F, especially when we now see evidence of a slight incline in Rafa's fortunes... "

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4379&pid=215338#pid215338

And this:

"To lose to an octogenarian, albeit one who's an historic anomaly in his conditioning, is not a sign of the Incline. Factor in that Federer has now played two three set matches. Oh, and also, who the heck is Federer when it comes to matches with Nadal. Exactly.

This would be a poor result for Nadal, a sign that the incline only goes up against the makeweights... "
:cover How embarrassing
http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4379&pid=215363#pid215363

 

[tented]

Interesting factoid: this will be their first meeting not at a Grand Slam or a Masters since their 2006 final in Dubai -- which was actually their only other non-GS/non-Masters encounter.

The organizers in Basel must be thrilled.

Another factoid: this final means they will have played at least once a year since their initial encounter in 2004 -- 12 consecutive years. I can't think of any other two men who have faced off that frequently, over the course of a dozen years.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Who's under most pressure tomorrow?

I think Roger, because he's expected to win. He's world #2, and it's indoor in his hometown. They have a fat cow waiting to be presented to him, with a gold bell around it's neck.

I don't normally agree with you on many issues. But, this one is no-brainer. Roger definitely has the pressure here. If Roger wins, it is no big deal and is expected. But, if Rafa wins it is a huge boost to his
current incline.

 

[Carol]

You've been posting tons about his incline as have other fans like Carol that she thinks Nadal will beat Novak soon. I don't personally but just saying, things clearly don't appear to be that bad really considering even in his prime and when number 1 in the world, Rafa never won an indoor event. So if he wins it's actually most unexpected unlike the counter side of that with you pretty confident he'll win. Nadal is 5 years younger than Federer, so guess what, the older guy declined years ago. What we're seeing now is Nadal older and actually better on his worst surface. If you want to call that a decline though, fair enough

I suppose being #7 is slight evidence of a decline, plus his results this year. Oh, and no slam semis, let alone a victory, after an unprecedented decade of them. That's certainly a decline. I can see that much without me glasses.

The pressure will be on Federer tomorrow. #2 is expected to beat #7, especially on the lower ranked players worst surface. Plus, a chance to beat Nadal. Finally! That's the kina pressure that can affect a
bloke, especially a man of his years.

We shall see tomorrow. This match is another taking of the pulse for Rafa. A defeat signifies little, but a win shows more signs of progress...

You have said well, a good chance to beat Nadal, finally! but honesty I don't think if that would happen can affect too much the Rafa improvement, he knows more than anyone else that he has a high probability to lose and meanwhile most of the crowd and Roger's fans will be very exciting

 

[Kieran]

Nothing like ambiguous comments and double standards. Tell me how it's possible for a win to show signs of progress when you previously said this:

"If Rafa can't beat Roger, it would be more worrying a loss than the triple-whammy to Triple-F, especially when we now see evidence of a slight incline in Rafa's fortunes... "

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4379&pid=215338#pid215338

And this:

"To lose to an octogenarian, albeit one who's an historic anomaly in his conditioning, is not a sign of the Incline. Factor in that Federer has now played two three set matches. Oh, and also, who the heck is Federer when it comes to matches with Nadal. Exactly.

This would be a poor result for Nadal, a sign that the incline only goes up against the makeweights... "
:cover How embarrassing
http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4379&pid=215363#pid215363

A win would obviously show progress, after defeats to FFS, Tsonga, and just about everybody else in tennis. You have seen his results this year, right? He's lost easily to both Murray and Djoker. He lost in straights to Stan in Rome, but dispatched Stan handy in Shanghai. A victory over Federer would be an obvious and concrete sign of progress.

By the way, I predicted him to win, and I expect him to. I never expect Rafa to lose to Federer. If he does lose, it's just simply more evidence that although he's on an incline, he hasn't yet gotten to where he's going to...

 

[Carol]

So I wake up to find that the Federer-Nadal match has finally become reality. I remember the 2014 Australian Open semifinals. As former greats sat n the stands watching, the commentators cooed and cawed at Federer's wondrous performance in defeating Murray. The admiration was oozing out of Rod Laver stadium like foam from a Starbucks Tall. everywhere. Surely after that brilliant performance, Federer was going to win his 18th Slam since Djokovic went out to Wawrinka the day before. And then Fedal 33 happened. Nadal beat Federer in straight sets. It was a great performance by Nadal and a putrid performance by Federer who once again curled up into a fetal position when he saw Nadal on the other side of the net.
I swore I never wanted to see another Fedal match and that opinion hasn't changed. I'm sure Fedal fans are all clapping with glee over the joy of it. Federer has a chance to start getting back some wins over his worst opponent, but even if he wins, the non-Feds will just point to Nadal's decline and call it a cheap victory. Nadal has a chance to continue his Incline back to the top, but it will just confirm further that Federer is Nadal's whipping boy, especially since it is happening on a Swiss Indoor court.
The way Federer plays tennis against Nadal is at times the most mind-baffling, inexplicable travesty and I have no desire to watch the thing. I'll say Federer wins, but the excuseathon that will follow by all the Nadal fans will be boring.

Yeah....and I'm sure that if Rafa wins the excuseathon that will follow by all the Roger fans will be very entertaining.....:laydownlaughing :snicker :lolz: :cover

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Rafa does not have to win. The mere fact that he lived to see Fed across the net is already a confirmation of his incline.

 

[Kirijax]

So I wake up to find that the Federer-Nadal match has finally become reality. I remember the 2014 Australian Open semifinals. As former greats sat n the stands watching, the commentators cooed and cawed at Federer's wondrous performance in defeating Murray. The admiration was oozing out of Rod Laver stadium like foam from a Starbucks Tall. everywhere. Surely after that brilliant performance, Federer was going to win his 18th Slam since Djokovic went out to Wawrinka the day before. And then Fedal 33 happened. Nadal beat Federer in straight sets. It was a great performance by Nadal and a putrid performance by Federer who once again curled up into a fetal position when he saw Nadal on the other side of the net.
I swore I never wanted to see another Fedal match and that opinion hasn't changed. I'm sure Fedal fans are all clapping with glee over the joy of it. Federer has a chance to start getting back some wins over his worst opponent, but even if he wins, the non-Feds will just point to Nadal's decline and call it a cheap victory. Nadal has a chance to continue his Incline back to the top, but it will just confirm further that Federer is Nadal's whipping boy, especially since it is happening on a Swiss Indoor court.
The way Federer plays tennis against Nadal is at times the most mind-baffling, inexplicable travesty and I have no desire to watch the thing. I'll say Federer wins, but the excuseathon that will follow by all the Nadal fans will be boring.

Yeah....and I'm sure that if Rafa wins the excuseathon that will follow by all the Roger fans will be very entertaining.....:laydownlaughing :snicker :lolz: :cover

Yes! Equally entertaining. :snicker

 

[Carol]

Anyway I hope to see a good and entertaining match, no trainer call due to a bad step and feeling some knee pain like today, health and good game from both players :clap

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fed leads 4-1 in indoor and Rafa leads 8-2 in outdoor hardcourt matches.

 

[tented]

Fed leads 4-1 in indoor and Rafa leads 8-2 in outdoor hardcourt matches.

So nearly half of their matches have been on hards. (Plus three on grass.) And here I've been thinking we need to throw out their clay encounters when discussing their head-to-head. :snicker

 

[Front242]

Nothing like ambiguous comments and double standards. Tell me how it's possible for a win to show signs of progress when you previously said this:

"If Rafa can't beat Roger, it would be more worrying a loss than the triple-whammy to Triple-F, especially when we now see evidence of a slight incline in Rafa's fortunes... "

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4379&pid=215338#pid215338

And this:

"To lose to an octogenarian, albeit one who's an historic anomaly in his conditioning, is not a sign of the Incline. Factor in that Federer has now played two three set matches. Oh, and also, who the heck is Federer when it comes to matches with Nadal. Exactly.

This would be a poor result for Nadal, a sign that the incline only goes up against the makeweights... "
:cover How embarrassing
http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=4379&pid=215363#pid215363

A win would obviously show progress, after defeats to FFS, Tsonga, and just about everybody else in tennis. You have seen his results this year, right? He's lost easily to both Murray and Djoker. He lost in straights to Stan in Rome, but dispatched Stan handy in Shanghai. A victory over Federer would be an obvious and concrete sign of progress.

By the way, I predicted him to win, and I expect him to. I never expect Rafa to lose to Federer. If he does lose, it's just simply more evidence that although he's on an incline, he hasn't yet gotten to where he's going to...

Ah ok I get it. So a win over Federer is now a sign of progress whereas earlier today it was labelled poor if he loses and more worrying than losing to Fognini?! I guess things change drastically in a few hours! And it means nothing if he loses tomorrow seeing as it only matters if he wins, incline apparently if he does as you expect him to always beat Federer but if he happens to lose it means he's not improved enough. But yet he doesn't need to improve at all since you always expect him to beat Federer. At least I'm clear now anyway even if 99.99% of the posters weren't.