Fed Fans – Roger Federer Talk

[atttomole]

Some Fed fans? It was nearly the whole fucking crowd. Not only fed fans.
some Experts here in this forum would do the same.
You really think it has to do with a sentence his mother said years ago? That in the mind of these sheeps ?

He gave them the best answer possible, classy was the fact he did not celebrate his win. He went to the handshake with ger like it was the end of a training session.

That is what I thought was the reason, but his parents hardly talk to the media these days. Other than that, I can’t find another reason why they applaud his double faults.

 

[Bonaca]

That is what I thought was the reason, but his parents hardly talk to the media these days. Other than that, I can’t find another reason why they applaud his double faults.

You can not imagine it’s because of his nationality?

 

[Andy22]

Please do us all a favour and just stop with the stupid comments. No one was torn apart in any of the Wimbledon finals between those 2. 13-12 in the fifth last year. 6-4 in the 5th in 2014? Is that what you call torn apart lol?! 2015 was the only one that didn't go to a 5th set but of the 4 played, 3 were very close. Go seek professional help.

close or not Djokovic has beaten Federer in 3 Wimbledon finals in a row so if djokovic win a few more times he will go down in history as a little bit better grass court player sorry bro but its true.

 

[atttomole]

You can not imagine it’s because of his nationality?

Not sure about that. I haven’t seen other Serbian players getting that kind of treatment.

 

[Fiero425]

Not sure about that. I haven’t seen other Serbian players getting that kind of treatment.

They aren't a threat unless playing for the Serbian team @ DC/ATP Cup events; then their novice player will come up w/ an upset @ times!

 

[Jelenafan]

Talent is a word sometimes thrown out there as if it’s the key to tennis success. Federer became Federer when he combined his natural eye to hand coordination , balance and movement with hard work and focus. He got mentally tough and thrived on the big stages, without it talent isn't going to cut it.

My issue isn't with Federer but some of his fans who think his record should more because of his “talent”.

If it was just talent, Adriano Panneta, Marcello Rios, Marat Safin and Vijay Armitraj among others, would be the greatest players of the Open Era. Safin was jawdropping talented, movement as a big guy was incredible.

Champions are “unbalanced” because obsession with winning becomes their mantra , pressure is constant and they don’t run away from it.

Federer accomplished what he has because he combined all those factors in himself , the talent and hard work. Its not any different than Sampras, Laver, McEnroe, Nadal, Novak, etc.

Its irrelevant to say any of them could have won “more”. ALL of them had “coulda , woulda, shoulda” matches/moments and of the all time champs i admit i do wonder if Johnny Mac squandered more of his talent.

However most maximized what they had, i include Federer, and for that their fans should be grateful.

 

[atttomole]

Talent is a word sometimes thrown out there as if it’s the key to tennis success. Federer became Federer when he combined his natural eye to hand coordination , balance and movement with hard work and focus. He got mentally tough and thrived on the big stages, without it talent isn't going to cut it.

My issue isn't with Federer but some of his fans who think his record should more because of his “talent”.

If it was just talent, Adriano Panneta, Marcello Rios, Marat Safin and Vijay Armitraj among others, would be the greatest players of the Open Era. Safin was jawdropping talented, movement as a big guy was incredible.

Champions are “unbalanced” because obsession with winning becomes their mantra , pressure is constant and they don’t run away from it.

Federer accomplished what he has because he combined all those factors in himself , the talent and hard work. Its not any different than Sampras, Laver, McEnroe, Nadal, Novak, etc.

Its irrelevant to say any of them could have won “more”. ALL of them had “coulda , woulda, shoulda” matches/moments and of the all time champs i admit i do wonder if Johnny Mac squandered more of his talent.

However most maximized what they had, i include Federer, and for that their fans should be grateful.

I agree with you. Roger is extremely talented and I think he is the most talented to ever play the game. However, like any other player, he has to do the hard work. He has to go to the gym to maintain/improve his fitness. He has to go to the tennis court and practice every shot he can, otherwise he loses his sharpness. He has to do all the things that other players have to do to succeed. As brilliant as he is, Roger has improved in some aspects of his game even as he got older. That is inarguable.

With all that said, I don’t see how it is difficult to understand that some players can be more talented than others. When I say Roger is the most talented player to play the game, I do not say it with the intention of diminishing other players. You hear people saying similar things in other sports.

 

[Jelenafan]

I agree with you. Roger is extremely talented and I think he is the most talented to ever play the game. However, like any other player, he has to do the hard work. He has to go to the gym to maintain/improve his fitness. He has to go to the tennis court and practice every shot he can, otherwise he loses his sharpness. He has to do all the things that other players have to do to succeed. As brilliant as he is, Roger has improved in some aspects of his game even as he got older. That is inarguable.

With all that said, I don’t see how it is difficult to understand that some players can be more talented than others. When I say Roger is the most talented player to play the game, I do not say it with the intention of diminishing other players. You hear people saying similar things in other sports.

Let me tell you what is freakishly good about Federer, his training/conditioning added to his natural balance/efficient stroke technique has allowed him to play 79 Majors, 79!! Some insane amount in a row ( is it 60+ ) without missing a Major. Mind Boggling.

 

[Moxie]

You can not imagine it’s because of his nationality?

Oh, come on. This Serbian chip on the shoulder gets old. Think how many people seriously don't like Murray, and he's a Brit, FFS. The main reason that people don't like him so much is that he's not Roger and he's not Rafa, and he's come in to spoil their days, plenty often enough.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I am not sure if you even understood the sentence you quoted. I said he seems to think, which means I could be wrong. Don’t rush to criticize before understanding what was said. So you think I don’t know that Roger needs to do the hard yards to succeed? Yes, Roger is the most talented player to ever play the game and if he had Rafa’s physicality, he would be virtually unbeatable.

Uh buddy, it's you who should read my post again. My issue isn't whether you know Roger needs to work hard to succeed. It's that you think Roger himself may not know this, which is utterly ridiculous. You think Roger won all he did on talent alone? Or do you think he works hard? Because if you think he won on talent alone, then you're obviously extremely wrong. Now, if you think he did work hard, then that means Roger knows he has to work hard to win, otherwise why the fuck would he bother if he can just sit on his ass and achieve the same result?

Do you really think one of the most successful athletes of all time who's still playing at a high level at a super advanced age (by sports standards) doesn't know what it takes to be successful? Does it not sound insane to you that Roger Federer is too stupid to know he has to work hard, or that he won as much as he did without working hard?

How is this even a talking point?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Federer accomplished what he has because he combined all those factors in himself , the talent and hard work. Its not any different than Sampras, Laver, McEnroe, Nadal, Novak, etc.

I am of the opinion that talent can be thought of as merely integral hard work. The more hard work one puts in, the more talented they become. The other side of the story is that the more one does not put in hard work, the faster their talent vanishes.

 

[Jelenafan]

I am of the opinion that talent can be thought of as merely integral hard work. The more hard work one puts in, the more talented they become. The other side of the story is that the more one does not put in hard work, the faster their talent vanishes.

Niki Pilic a player from the 70’s once said, and I’m paraphrasing from faulty memory: “ I’m tired of hearing about players with so much talent, part of talent is caring enough“

 

[Bonaca]

I am of the opinion that talent can be thought of as merely integral hard work. The more hard work one puts in, the more talented they become. The other side of the story is that the more one does not put in hard work, the faster their talent vanishes.

What about , the more talented you are the less work you have to add to reach the same as a less talented player with more work?
Now combine huge talent and lot of work and you get the BIG 3.
Nadal is a bit less talented than the other two but compensates with unhuman discipline and physicality. That is a regular way to become one of the greatest.

 

[Bonaca]

Oh, come on. This Serbian chip on the shoulder gets old. Think how many people seriously don't like Murray, and he's a Brit, FFS. The main reason that people don't like him so much is that he's not Roger and he's not Rafa, and he's come in to spoil their days, plenty often enough.

What makes you so sure it isnt mainly about that? Wishful thinking?
Its a mix of reasons.
You cannot compare Murray with Novak, where was he treated like Novak repeatedly in so big matches.

 

[Ricardo]

Djoker isn’t the most talented either and he also relies on super physicality to dig out matches.....very similar to Lendl, his shot production is mechanical but he is blessed to play in an era where surface variation is minimized. Ivan has to cop a lot more to adapt to different surfaces, and if anyone complains about the crowd, just look at what Lendl put up with in the 80s.

Enough from Djoker whingers.

 

[brokenshoelace]

What makes you so sure it isnt mainly about that? Wishful thinking?
Its a mix of reasons.
You cannot compare Murray with Novak, where was he treated like Novak repeatedly in so big matches.

What is it about Serbia that would make people root against Novak based on his nationality? I don't see the basis for this one bit. Literally no other tennis player in the world is ever jeered because of where they come from. Why would Serbia be such a trigger? Just trying to understand the basis for this.

 

[atttomole]

Uh buddy, it's you who should read my post again. My issue isn't whether you know Roger needs to work hard to succeed. It's that you think Roger himself may not know this, which is utterly ridiculous. You think Roger won all he did on talent alone? Or do you think he works hard? Because if you think he won on talent alone, then you're obviously extremely wrong. Now, if you think he did work hard, then that means Roger knows he has to work hard to win, otherwise why the fuck would he bother if he can just sit on his ass and achieve the same result?

Do you really think one of the most successful athletes of all time who's still playing at a high level at a super advanced age (by sports standards) doesn't know what it takes to be successful? Does it not sound insane to you that Roger Federer is too stupid to know he has to work hard, or that he won as much as he did without working hard?

How is this even a talking point?

We all know that athletes have to put in the hard yards to succeed. The problem is you might be annoyed by the talk about Federer’s talent when compared to other players, and it becomes a Fed vs Nadal thing. Clearly you understand that it is not worth debating. I am good with that frankly.

 

[brokenshoelace]

We all know that athletes have to put in the hard yards to succeed. The problem is you might be annoyed by the talk about Federer’s talent when compared to other players, and it becomes a Fed vs Nadal thing. Clearly you understand that it is not worth debating. I am good with that frankly.

OK, let me spell something out for you:

ROGER FEDERER IS CLEARLY MORE TALENTED THAN RAFAEL NADAL.

Just because your simplistic brain can't wrap itself around the idea that a Nadal fan admits to that, and has no agenda, and is simply calling you out on a very silly post, that's not my problem.

You can play the annoyed "this isn't worth debating" card all you want, but the fact is your hypothesis is beyond ridiculous. So allow me to again ask you something that you're still trying to avoid answering:

How the fuck can Federer, who by your own admission worked hard, not know that he can't win on talent alone? If he's worked hard then he knows that he has to work hard, otherwise why would he do it? If he thinks he can win on talent alone then why has he worked hard? And if he doesn't know and didn't work hard, how can one of the most successful athletes of all time not know what it takes to be successful when it's such an obvious thing, especially at his age.

The only agenda here is your insecure self trying to justify his losses by implying he may not be working hard.

This, again, is beyond preposterous and it's utterly laughable it's actually being suggested. Then again, the quality of discussion around here has been a shit-fest for a long time.

 

[atttomole]

OK, let me spell something out for you:

ROGER FEDERER IS CLEARLY MORE TALENTED THAN RAFAEL NADAL.

Just because your simplistic brain can't wrap itself around the idea that a Nadal fan admits to that, and has no agenda, and is simply calling you out on a very silly post, that's not my problem.

You can play the annoyed "this isn't worth debating" card all you want, but the fact is your hypothesis is beyond ridiculous. So allow me to again ask you something that you're still trying to avoid answering:

How the fuck can Federer, who by your own admission worked hard, not know that he can't win on talent alone? If he's worked hard then he knows that he has to work hard, otherwise why would he do it? If he thinks he can win on talent alone then why has he worked hard? And if he doesn't know and didn't work hard, how can one of the most successful athletes of all time not know what it takes to be successful when it's such an obvious thing, especially at his age.

The only agenda here is your insecure self trying to justify his losses by implying he may not be working hard.

This, again, is beyond preposterous and it's utterly laughable it's actually being suggested. Then again, the quality of discussion around here has been a shit-fest for a long time.

I thought you said it is not worth debating anymore, and I agreed. The problem is that you usually go berserk when talent is discussed.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Roger Federer isn’t more talented than Rafael Nadal. That being said it’s a stupid argument to begin with. Someone right now sitting at home could be more talented than Roger Federer but has 0 slams. What matters is not only talent but also hard work, dedication, practice, physical workout, desire to improve, fighting spirit, strategic choices, mental strength, etc. and nobody combines all of these qualities more than the GOAT Rafael Nadal. On that note you may now close this thread.