Fed Fans – Roger Federer Talk

[El Dude]

Agree. Any year a major gets won must be regarded as a success... for any player, but especially at Federer's age. Strangely that AO win seems more like 5 years ago rather than 10 months!

I'm not saying it wasn't a success, just a down year in terms of performance level, relative to the previous year. That, I think, is pretty obvious.

 

[El Dude]

It was the same story in 2010. When he won AO that year, the talk was that Roger is now very loose given that he has crossed Pete's record and won an RG and so from now on he will keep winning everything. However, he won nothing in 2010 after that. So, 2010 was downhill considering AO happened in January. Now, see what happened in 2011. He went further down in 2011, but still came back to winning way.

So, 2018 is comparable to 2010. Who is to say that if he goes down even further in 2019, he cannot comeback?

Well, the big and obvious difference is that Roger turned 29 in 2010, while he turned 37 in 2018. I think if we don't see an up-turn in his level in 2019, chances of him surging in 2020 or later are slim to none.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Well, the big and obvious difference is that Roger turned 29 in 2010, while he turned 37 in 2018. I think if we don't see an up-turn in his level in 2019, chances of him surging in 2020 or later are slim to none.

But, your initial contention was that Roger never had two years of consecutive drop in level compared to previous year. That contention is not true as is evident from 2010 and 2011. 2010 was definitely a drop in level compared to 2009. 2011 was even worse than 2010. So, Roger had comeback after having two consecutive years both of which were worse than the previous year.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Don't worry guys, swiss medicine is very advanced, Federer will play top level tennis until 60 years old...

 

[El Dude]

But, your initial contention was that Roger never had two years of consecutive drop in level compared to previous year. That contention is not true as is evident from 2010 and 2011. 2010 was definitely a drop in level compared to 2009. 2011 was even worse than 2010. So, Roger had comeback after having two consecutive years both of which were worse than the previous year.

I think it is a matter of degree. Yes, there was a down-turn from 2009 to 2010 to 2011, and then a resurgence in 2012 to about 2009 level, but neither 2010 or 2011 was as large a drop as 2013 or 2016, or 2018 post-AO.

And yes, while I didn't mention age, I do think it is relevant. Roger was 29 and then 30 at the end of 2010 and 2011. He's 37 now, will be 38 at the end of 2019. Do you really think he'll be able to come back in 2020 at the age of 38, after two years of down-turn?

 

[Carol]

And when Federer will retire his fans will be very happy watching his kids playing B-)

 

[Fiero425]

I think it is a matter of degree. Yes, there was a down-turn from 2009 to 2010 to 2011, and then a resurgence in 2012 to about 2009 level, but neither 2010 or 2011 was as large a drop as 2013 or 2016, or 2018 post-AO.

And yes, while I didn't mention age, I do think it is relevant. Roger was 29 and then 30 at the end of 2010 and 2011. He's 37 now, will be 38 at the end of 2019. Do you really think he'll be able to come back in 2020 at the age of 38, after two years of down-turn?

I think '09 has Federer being terribly overrated; just like 2017-18! It started with him dropping AO to Nadal, then Rafa knocked out of FO & Wimbledon, and having patsies in the finals he won! I would have changed my mind if he had completed the deal at the USO, but he lost in 5 to Del Po! The last couple years had absences of Djokovic & Murray to help him out! I'm still trying to figure out his domination of Nadal the last couple seasons! :whistle: :cuckoo:

 

[DarthFed]

I think '09 has Federer being terribly overrated; just like 2017-18! It started with him dropping AO to Nadal, then Rafa knocked out of FO & Wimbledon, and having patsies in the finals he won! I would have changed my mind if he had completed the deal at the USO, but he lost in 5 to Del Po! The last couple years had absences of Djokovic & Murray to help him out! I'm still trying to figure out his domination of Nadal the last couple seasons! :whistle: :cuckoo:

Sounding more and more like a typical Djoker fan by including Andy Frickin Murray as a potential road block for Federer. Yeah, a red hot Federer really needs to fear Murray!! And last I checked Djoker played the first 3 majors in 2017. He did a good job dodging Roger, waiting until Fed sucks to start meeting him again.

As for 2009 I always thought that if Roger had managed to lose Wimbledon in shameless fashion to Roddick he'd have been more hungry for USO. Fed was too satisfied, understandably so. If he was sitting on 14 instead of 15 I think that match would've gone the way it should have.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Please stop saying that Federer should have beaten Del Potro at the 2009 USO as if it's such a horrible loss. They had a rematch there last year and Del Potro again won, and Federer in 2017 was on fire. Give credit to Del Potro and get over it. He has beaten Federer 7 times.

 

[DarthFed]

Please stop saying that Federer should have beaten Del Potro at the 2009 USO as if it's such a horrible loss. They had a rematch there last year and Del Potro again won, and Federer in 2017 was on fire. Give credit to Del Potro and get over it. He has beaten Federer 7 times.

They had a rematch 8 years later with Roger at 36 years old a couple weeks after injuring his back (have to take a page out of your book and use an excuse). In 2009 Roger was serving for a 2 set lead up 30-15 and tried an idiotic drop shot instead of putting away an easy forehand. That breathed life into Del Po. It was the definition of a horrible loss.

 

[Fiero425]

Sounding more and more like a typical Djoker fan by including Andy Frickin Murray as a potential road block for Federer. Yeah, a red hot Federer really needs to fear Murray!! And last I checked Djoker played the first 3 majors in 2017. He did a good job dodging Roger, waiting until Fed sucks to start meeting him again.

As for 2009 I always thought that if Roger had managed to lose Wimbledon in shameless fashion to Roddick he'd have been more hungry for USO. Fed was too satisfied, understandably so. If he was sitting on 14 instead of 15 I think that match would've gone the way it should have.

Nope, not a road block, but he was still "up there" and made life difficult at times for Roger; esp. early on between '05-10! After Federer won the 1st match they played, Murray dominated the first half of the rivalry, winning 8 of their first 13 matches. The 2nd half of the rivalry has been dominated by Federer, who since won 9 of their last 12 matches from 2010, and has led their rivalry since the '14 ATP YEC. Murray defeated Federer in straight sets to win the OG at '12 Olympics as well! In '13 Murray beat Federer for the first time in a Major in the SF of the AO, prevailing in five sets after Federer had come back twice from a set down! Murray is one of only 3 players to have recorded 10 or more victories over Federer, the other two being Nadal and Djokovic! So we can't say Murray was Fed's pigeon the entire length of their rivalry! I just wasn't that impressed with what Fed accomplished in '09 after owning the tour so thoroughly just a couple seasons before! It was a significant drop off as far as I was concerned! :whistle: :cuckoo:

 

[DarthFed]

Murray has mostly been road kill for Roger in big matches. 2013 it took 5 sets and Roger was atrocious that entire season even finishing below Ferrer in the rankings. 2012 Olympics I will give Murray credit. Roger shouldn't have needed to struggle vs a weak Del Po but Fed has always done poorly at the Olympics. Pressure has gotten to him.

 

[atttomole]

I think '09 has Federer being terribly overrated; just like 2017-18! It started with him dropping AO to Nadal, then Rafa knocked out of FO & Wimbledon, and having patsies in the finals he won! I would have changed my mind if he had completed the deal at the USO, but he lost in 5 to Del Po! The last couple years had absences of Djokovic & Murray to help him out! I'm still trying to figure out his domination of Nadal the last couple seasons! :whistle: :cuckoo:

You can not even get your facts right. Rafa was not knocked out of Wimbledon in 2009.

 

[Fiero425]

You can not even get your facts right. Rafa was not knocked out of Wimbledon in 2009.

Pathetic; ok he withdrew due to injury! So FW? He wasn't there which facilitated Roger winning both FO & Wimbledon! :whistle: :cuckoo:

 

[atttomole]

Pathetic; ok he withdrew due to injury! So FW? He wasn't there which facilitated Roger winning both FO & Wimbledon! :whistle: :cuckoo:

Come on!!

 

[Moxie]

I think '09 has Federer being terribly overrated; just like 2017-18! It started with him dropping AO to Nadal, then Rafa knocked out of FO & Wimbledon, and having patsies in the finals he won! I would have changed my mind if he had completed the deal at the USO, but he lost in 5 to Del Po! The last couple years had absences of Djokovic & Murray to help him out! I'm still trying to figure out his domination of Nadal the last couple seasons! :whistle: :cuckoo:

To be accurate, it was just last season. They didn't play in 2018.

 

[DarthFed]

Pathetic; ok he withdrew due to injury! So FW? He wasn't there which facilitated Roger winning both FO & Wimbledon! :whistle: :cuckoo:

He played RG and got knocked out. Wimbledon he withdrew but who is to say he'd have won that? He'd have faced both Roddick and Murray before even getting to the final. And maybe Fed wouldn't have shit the bed again if that was the final

 

[Fiero425]

To be accurate, it was just last season. They didn't play in 2018.

Well the Fed clones would assume he was on a roll and it would continue so I just included the entire season to placate them! :whistle: :cuckoo:

 

[atttomole]

Well the Fed clones would assume he was on a roll and it would continue so I just included the entire season to placate them! :whistle: :cuckoo:

If you have been on the forums in 2018, you will have noticed that Fed fans have been the most critical of his performances. Federer is the only player in tennis history you can describe as stratospheric. Therefore we are not flattered by that at all.

 

[Fiero425]

If you have been on the forums in 2018, you will have noticed that Fed fans have been the most critical of his performances. Federer is the only player in tennis history you can describe as stratospheric. Therefore we are not flattered by that at all.

Oh please! The excuses have been varied and extensive; usually going with the "age" thing! I had to battle that BS all of 2018! :whistle: