Early Wimbledon Talk

[Shivashish Sarkar]

Isn't it like the old days? Fed on one side of the draw and Rafa on the other at Wimbly. Fed/Rafa will draw one of Murray or Novak for the semi, it's totally like old times.

When is the draw? On Saturday?

 

[atttomole]

Isn't it like the old days? Fed on one side of the draw and Rafa on the other at Wimbly. Fed/Rafa will draw one of Murray or Novak for the semi, it's totally like old times.

When is the draw? On Saturday?

The main draw is Friday, 30 June, at 10 am local time.

 

[Ricardo]

I didn't put Novak's name in that list of players with really reliable net skills. Novak gets them wrong at times. But due to supreme fitness and reflex and still better hands than Zverev (maybe, not sure, this is debatable of course), he just isn't poor at the net. I would like to split hairs here and consider Novak complete enough. Zverev due to his body type and his hands, is still poorer at the net IMHO. That's what I am pointing to. We are having a nice debate, mate. Haha.

hmmm Novak doesn't have great hands at net......Zverev is at least as good there. The list was for complete players, so if Novak is then so is Zverev. Of course it's still opinion and i think he is an awesome player.

 

[Ricardo]

Yes it holds significance, it has been looked upon as the changing of the guard although Roger didn't win the title . He was considered by many tennis experts to have a great opportunity to defeat Pete. Finally this was one of Pete's last great run at Wimbledon. That's why I posed the question , Pete at his best at 22 and Fed at 22 when he won Wimbledon for the first time.(I think I am correct about that )

on grass, Fed has done better at Wimbledon, made more finals and won the same. Also won more smaller grass events. Saying Pete beats Fed is nothing but opinion, based on nothing proven......so anyone can say anything about anyone.

and Nadal would've taken Pete i say.

 

[Ricardo]

Fed has more titles and more Wimbledon finals. Based on that there is an argument that he is the greatest grass court player ever. The argument against him is that Pete was a lot better in the finals than Roger has been. Let's hope Fed makes this a moot point and wins #8 as he should've done long ago

no doesn't work that way, unless you give concession to Pete in those years when he didn't make finals.......so Fed making more finals must be seen as better.

can't believe you let anti-puss mess with your logic so easily

 

[DarthFed]

^Nah, just part of a different debate. Fed for whatever reason hasn't always brought his A or even B game to Wimbledon finals. Though losing finals at age 33 and 34 can't be held against him when Sampras was struggling badly before turning 30. But 2008 didn't happen to Pistol, come final Sunday if he was there he usually won easily.

I personally "award" a little extra greatness to guys who play lights out when it matters most. Part of the Jordan mystique and also Joe Montana who many considered better than Brady until this past year. It's an American sports thing and I understand the difference in opinion on it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Pete can't be better if they both won 7 finals. However, I agree that the issue will be settled if Roger wins number 8, even though I still give Roger a slight edge for the 3 extra finals and a semifinal.

Maybe if posters like Shawn or Kieran was on this thread, they would have less bias towards Sampras. That's,why I said,for 1set at age 22, who would win. No chance on this proFed board would I suggest Pete was a better tennis player,than,Roger.

 

[britbox]

^Nah, just part of a different debate. Fed for whatever reason hasn't always brought his A or even B game to Wimbledon finals. Though losing finals at age 33 and 34 can't be held against him when Sampras was struggling badly before turning 30. But 2008 didn't happen to Pistol, come final Sunday if he was there he usually won easily.

I personally "award" a little extra greatness to guys who play lights out when it matters most. Part of the Jordan mystique and also Joe Montana who many considered better than Brady until this past year. It's an American sports thing and I understand the difference in opinion on it.

Yeah, but you've got to be in it to win it. Somehow I can't align losing to George Bastl in a second rounder as a positive spin on greatness in comparison to losing a 5 set final to Nadal. Don't get it Darth... because in effect, that is what you are saying.

 

[britbox]

Maybe if posters like Shawn or Kieran was on this thread, they would have less bias towards Sampras. That's,why I said,for 1set at age 22, who would win. No chance on this proFed board would I suggest Pete was a better tennis player,than,Roger.

Kieran... less bias toward Sampras? I don't think so. @shawnbm was always pretty fair, still posts here when he gets chance... maybe he'll chip in.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Kieran... less bias toward Sampras? I don't think so. @shawnbm was always pretty fair, still posts here when he gets chance... maybe he'll chip in.

Maybe I didn't write it correctly, Kieran is almost as proPete if not more than I am. Yes, Shawn is a fair poster.

 

[DarthFed]

Yeah, but you've got to be in it to win it. Somehow I can't align losing to George Bastl in a second rounder as a positive spin on greatness in comparison to losing a 5 set final to Nadal. Don't get it Darth... because in effect, that is what you are saying.

I hear you man, and for the record I consider Fed to be greater on grass than Sampras after the past few years. I don't hold the losses to Djoker as a geriatric against him. But what I said about Sampras in the finals compared to Fed is true and that's something in his favor but Fed clearly has him beat in grass court accomplishments (titles and longevity)

 

[DarthFed]

Maybe if posters like Shawn or Kieran was on this thread, they would have less bias towards Sampras. That's,why I said,for 1set at age 22, who would win. No chance on this proFed board would I suggest Pete was a better tennis player,than,Roger.

Again it depends on the surface. If it was the lightning fast grass of Pete's day I'd slightly favor him. But that's the only surface I'd say that.

 

[Busted]

The main draw is Friday, 30 June, at 10 am local time.

And I'm going to feign shock when Federer ends up in Djokovic's half of the draw instead of Murray's so Murray doesn't potentially have to beat Fed to make it back to the finals...

 

[the AntiPusher]

Again it depends on the surface. If it was the lightning fast grass of Pete's day I'd slightly favor him. But that's the only surface I'd say that.

What do you mean it depends, You have stated that it should always be lighting fast grass.hahaha..I think defeating Pete on that day was one of Roger's greatest victories. Pete's first serve percentage was over 65% and he had his opportunities but Roger was able to extend the points.

 

[DarthFed]

Amen, it should've stayed as is. I still stand by Fed winning 9 or 10 by now if it had and Nadal and Djoker would've struggled to win 1

 

[Front242]

Maybe if posters like Shawn or Kieran was on this thread, they would have less bias towards Sampras. That's,why I said,for 1set at age 22, who would win. No chance on this proFed board would I suggest Pete was a better tennis player,than,Roger.

Have you forgotten Sampras was Kieran's favourite player before Nadal and all time favourite I believe?

 

[the AntiPusher]

Have you forgotten Sampras was Kieran's favourite player before Nadal and all time favourite I believe?

My Lord , bias towards Sampras bias towards Sampras, bias towards Sampras

 

[Jelenafan]

Tennis.com on Rafa:

http://www.tennis.com/pro-game/2017...pectations-all-england-club-atp-tennis/67031/

I actually don't disagree with this, however, if Rafa gets to the quarterfinals , (realize it's a big IF), I'll take his chances against anybody else left in the draw. The biggest plus I see to Rafa this season is that he's utilizing his serve more as a weapon , it almost seemed perfunctory during his injury riddled last few years.

Win or lose, I love that he played no competitive tournaments these last 3 weeks. Let his body rest and he has the HC season for months afterwards.

 

[Front242]

My Lord , bias towards Sampras bias towards Sampras, bias towards Sampras

Gotcha. 'Cos Kieran likes Roger about as much as a kick in the nutsack or as much as I like Nadal. In fact I'd take a swift kick in the nutsack with steel toecaps over supporting Nadal!

 

[the AntiPusher]

Gotcha. 'Cos Kieran likes Roger about as much as a kick in the nutsack or as much as I like Nadal. In fact I'd take a swift kick in the nutsack with steel toecaps over supporting Nadal!

Really dude, the way gravity is in my body a kick in the nut sack for me will most likely send me to the ER..i don't dislike anyone that severe to endure that kind of pain..Maybe you should rewatch Casino Royale (Daniel Craig)