Djokovic Era

[brokenshoelace]

I was only talking about 2011 to today...and why would he be so upset that 1 biased fan is calling it a Nole era?uzzled I can call it anything I want, does it matter? I think Nole was the best in this period, as facts confirm it. Nobody else was so offended by it, El Dude made a nice post including other players in this so called "era".

But BS is like a bull when Nole fans say something complimentary of Nole, it enrages him and brings the worst out of him.:nono Even his handle is Nole inspired:cover

I know how to settle this, please on behalf of the worst fans in the history of all sports, accept my apologies for calling this short period of time "Nole era" and seeing how upset you are, I am not calling it that way anymore. If by any chance or luck Nole wins 2 majors next year and finishes #1, can we call it that then? Anyway, you tell us when the time comes. No hard feelings, OK.






crybaby:lolz:

I got upset? LOL I just disagreed. The fact that you view that as me being upset shows a lot about your ability to handle disagreement. Or lack thereof.

And don't call me a crybaby because that's straight up cyber bullying.

 

[Billie]

I also apologize for being a bully:snigger

 

[brokenshoelace]

Anyway the article is open to anybody's interpretation. I was interested to know what others thought.

And I thought I was sensitive.:laydownlaughing

And yet, when I interpreted, you typically made snide comments about me somehow having a monopoly to interpret Uncle Toni's comments.

Yeah, you're not contradicting yourself at all. Nah, you're right, you're not sensitive at all.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I also apologize for being a bully:snigger

Too late. My wrist is already bleeding.

 

[Billie]

I also apologize for being a bully:snigger

Too late. My wrist is already bleeding.

I am very sorry about that....I'll go and punish myself somehow for being such a terrible person.

Wow the quality of conversation went up through the roof LOL

 

[brokenshoelace]

I also apologize for being a bully:snigger

Too late. My wrist is already bleeding.

I am very sorry about that....I'll go and punish myself somehow for being such a terrible person.

Wow the quality of conversation went up through the roof LOL

This is Broken_shoelace from the afterlife speaking:

The quality of conversation in this thread was iffy to begin with.

 

[El Dude]

You two, get a room.

 

[Riotbeard]

Where in the hell did she ever state the above?

She presented selective stats pertaining to points amassed since 2011, claiming that this indeed makes this the Novak era and then dug up a random Toni quote.

I know people have a tendency to just agree with their fanbase but things around here are getting absurd. Everything is so agenda driven it's actually taken the quality of the conversation down quite a bit.

You are right she said most dominant thus novak era, but she did not try and make a case that novak has had in any way a better career than rafa. I don't think this is the novak era, but it's a subjective standard, so she can certainly make the claim if she wants to.

I never said she claimed Novak has had a better career. I simply asked her, if Toni's comments are to be taken in any way for face value, then explain the discrepancy in slam count between Nadal and Novak.

Why would anybody need to explain a clear and simple fact. Toni said what he said, and rafa has twice as many slams. What's your point?

 

[brokenshoelace]

You are right she said most dominant thus novak era, but she did not try and make a case that novak has had in any way a better career than rafa. I don't think this is the novak era, but it's a subjective standard, so she can certainly make the claim if she wants to.

I never said she claimed Novak has had a better career. I simply asked her, if Toni's comments are to be taken in any way for face value, then explain the discrepancy in slam count between Nadal and Novak.

Why would anybody need to explain a clear and simple fact. Toni said what he said, and rafa has twice as many slams. What's your point?

Actually, there is a lot to ponder here. And there's certainly a point to be made. If Novak is on par with Rafa as Toni claims (and I think he is, just not career wise), then how come there's a discrepancy in slam count? Don't you think that's an interesting point to discuss? Certainly more interesting than how many points Novak gathered since 2011.

 

[Kieran]

Toni always says things like this. He's never giving Rafa credit, I don't know if it's motivational or contrariness, but he knows his players worth and I bet he's happier being in his corner than any of the others.

As for Nole not matching Rafa's slam count, Rafa has been part time for the last 3 seasons, playing only three quarters of the majors - and he's still won more than Nole in that time. Daveed Nalbandian is the gratest player of all time, and Rafa has more slams than him. Rafa gets sold short round here, methinks. He ain't just lugging coal up from the ground like a dumb insensible beast, he's an explsove and unique individual...

 

[El Dude]

Rafa gets sold short round here, methinks.

:laydownlaughing

 

[brokenshoelace]

Rafa gets sold short round here, methinks.

God, no.

 

[Kieran]

In terms of what I'll call the Cali-call, people often speak of Rafa as an artisan, gaining titles and victories through sheer effort and stubbornness against the excessively more gifted Djoker and Federer.

I think this is a whole shed-load of stinky tripe...

 

[El Dude]

In terms of what I'll call the Cali-call, people often speak of Rafa as an artisan, gaining titles and victories through sheer effort and stubbornness against the excessively more gifted Djoker and Federer.

I think this is a whole shed-load of stinky tripe...

I agree, because if that were true then David Ferrer would have ten majors by now.

That said, you shouldn't short sell Rafa's tenacity as a second rate skill - it is a skill in its own right, just as Roger's ability to stay health can be considered a skill.

Cali is just in denial, that's all, and will re-write history and morph the world so as to fit his desire for David Nalbandian to be the HELP (Highest Ever Level Player).

 

[Kieran]

In terms of an era, yeah, this isn't going to be remembered as the djokovic era, unless he bangs out two slams a year and dominates without question for the next two seasons...

 

[nehmeth]

Actually, there is a lot to ponder here. And there's certainly a point to be made. If Novak is on par with Rafa as Toni claims (and I think he is, just not career wise), then how come there's a discrepancy in slam count? Don't you think that's an interesting point to discuss? Certainly more interesting than how many points Novak gathered since 2011.

The discrepancy in slam count is pretty easy to explain. Novak's mental toughness in the biggest events fluctuates from laser focused to completely distracted. When he's focused, the top players agree he's extremely difficult to beat.

When he's not? Well, I've seen more than my share of ugly matches from him.

Novak had a year - 2011. He's been consistently one of the top players for quite some time and finished YE #1 three out of the last four years. Had he won a few more of those slam finals he lost over the past few seasons maybe "era" talk would be a fair discussion.

 

[Riotbeard]

Toni always says things like this. He's never giving Rafa credit, I don't know if it's motivational or contrariness, but he knows his players worth and I bet he's happier being in his corner than any of the others.

As for Nole not matching Rafa's slam count, Rafa has been part time for the last 3 seasons, playing only three quarters of the majors - and he's still won more than Nole in that time. Daveed Nalbandian is the gratest player of all time, and Rafa has more slams than him. Rafa gets sold short round here, methinks. He ain't just lugging coal up from the ground like a dumb insensible beast, he's an explsove and unique individual...

You are the best Kieran:ras:, but quit acting like rafa should get bonus points for not being fit enough to play all the slams.

 

[Kieran]

Toni always says things like this. He's never giving Rafa credit, I don't know if it's motivational or contrariness, but he knows his players worth and I bet he's happier being in his corner than any of the others.

As for Nole not matching Rafa's slam count, Rafa has been part time for the last 3 seasons, playing only three quarters of the majors - and he's still won more than Nole in that time. Daveed Nalbandian is the gratest player of all time, and Rafa has more slams than him. Rafa gets sold short round here, methinks. He ain't just lugging coal up from the ground like a dumb insensible beast, he's an explsove and unique individual...

You are the best Kieran:ras:, but quit acting like rafa should get bonus points for not being fit enough to play all the slams.

The thread isn't about Rafa.

The point I'm making is, there's no way this is a Djokovic era, since he hasn't been the main collector of slam titles through the last 3 years. I'm not looking for any bonus points for Rafa, I'm just pointing out an obvious detail...

 

[brokenshoelace]

Actually, there is a lot to ponder here. And there's certainly a point to be made. If Novak is on par with Rafa as Toni claims (and I think he is, just not career wise), then how come there's a discrepancy in slam count? Don't you think that's an interesting point to discuss? Certainly more interesting than how many points Novak gathered since 2011.

The discrepancy in slam count is pretty easy to explain. Novak's mental toughness in the biggest events fluctuates from laser focused to completely distracted. When he's focused, the top players agree he's extremely difficult to beat.

When he's not? Well, I've seen more than my share of ugly matches from him.

Novak had a year - 2011. He's been consistently one of the top players for quite some time and finished YE #1 three out of the last four years. Had he won a few more of those slam finals he lost over the past few seasons maybe "era" talk would be a fair discussion.

No arguments from me.

I do think Novak will look at 2009 and 2010 as lost years where he should have done better. I actually think that's part of the reason behind his 2011 explosion: He acknowledged that he underperformed in the previous two seasons and took measures accordingly.

He looked like he arrived in 2008 and was there to stay. Granted, he did stay. His results were consistent. But between Wimbledon 2008 and the 2010 US Open, he was sort of there, making it deep (for the most part), but never really threatening. Even in the 2010 US Open, whether fairly or not, most looked at his presence in the final as "the guy who Roger blew it against" and the guy who's just there for Nadal's big moment. I don't remember many giving him a serious chance. I could be wrong though.

So yeah, I do think more than the finals he lost post 2011 (though that certainly played a factor), it was his relatively sub-par performances post AO 2008 and pre AO 2011 that were the issue. Incidentally, that was the period in which Nadal racked up 6 majors.

So I do think the major reason for the discrepancy is Nadal matured sooner and was able to maximize his potential on a consistent basis far sooner (that's a testament to him as a player by the way). Djokovic wasn't able to keep it up mentally or physically (the latter gets ignored sometimes) early on. Though on the flipside, he might have the greater longevity of the two and compensate.

 

[El Dude]

Toni always says things like this. He's never giving Rafa credit, I don't know if it's motivational or contrariness, but he knows his players worth and I bet he's happier being in his corner than any of the others.

As for Nole not matching Rafa's slam count, Rafa has been part time for the last 3 seasons, playing only three quarters of the majors - and he's still won more than Nole in that time. Daveed Nalbandian is the gratest player of all time, and Rafa has more slams than him. Rafa gets sold short round here, methinks. He ain't just lugging coal up from the ground like a dumb insensible beast, he's an explsove and unique individual...

You are the best Kieran:ras:, but quit acting like rafa should get bonus points for not being fit enough to play all the slams.

The thread isn't about Rafa.

The point I'm making is, there's no way this is a Djokovic era, since he hasn't been the main collector of slam titles through the last 3 years. I'm not looking for any bonus points for Rafa, I'm just pointing out an obvious detail...

You're using an arbitrary cut-off of 3 years, just as including 2011 is an arbitrary cut-off. But again, Obsi - the original poster was talking about 2011-16 as a possible Novak Era. So let's honor the original poster and use their arbitrariness rather than our own!

I gave the stats up-thread that support the idea that Novak has the edge over Rafa during those 4 years. As for 2015-16, we'll know more in two years. But if, say, Novaks 3 more and Rafa only 1 to give Novak the 9-6 edge, then I think you can make a valid argument that 2011-16 is the "Era of Novak."