Covid vaccine - opinions?

[Moxie]

even @Federberg

good grief! I guess I'm some sort of monster to you now, just because I don't agree with your woke views. It's funny, but such a sad reflection of modern society

Nah, all I was saying was that, while no one much agrees with me around here, you had just posted that you didn't see any point in making fun of folks that wear masks, and that you could see some point in them, too. I don't think you're a monster. I do think that you overuse and misuse the term "woke," though.

 

[Federberg]

Nah, all I was saying was that, while no one much agrees with me around here, you had just posted that you didn't see any point in making fun of folks that wear masks, and that you could see some point in them, too. I don't think you're a monster. I do think that you overuse and misuse the term "woke," though.

really? Here's the definition according to Bing... alert to injustice and discrimination in society, especially racism

No misuse there sorry! Whether it's perceived trans phobia, racism or sexism. I would argue that there's entirely too much accusation and perception of so called injustice. It's stifling, anti-free speech and anti-intellectual discourse. It's scary that you don't see it. It took you far too long to even concede that what trans folk were doing in women's sport was out of pocket. Less trying to defend the indefensible and more basic common sense and you'll be on the right track. We have faith in you

 

[Moxie]

really? Here's the definition according to Bing... alert to injustice and discrimination in society, especially racism

No misuse there sorry! Whether it's perceived trans phobia, racism or sexism. I would argue that there's entirely too much accusation and perception of so called injustice. It's stifling, anti-free speech and anti-intellectual discourse. It's scary that you don't see it. It took you far too long to even concede that what trans folk were doing in women's sport was out of pocket. Less trying to defend the indefensible and more basic common sense and you'll be on the right track. We have faith in you

Perhaps it's cultural between the US and the UK, but there is a weaponization of the term "woke" by the far right in the US which doesn't really care what it means, at all. It has just turned it into a cultural cudgel. That may not be your intent, but do understand how it falls on ears in the US.

 

[britbox]

Yes, a complete and utter mystery... experts completely baffled. It's happening in all of the most vaccinated countries in the world... but a complete mystery. We only know for certain that it definitely isn't anything to do with the vaccine.

Australians dying at levels not seen in 80 years & UK is seeing same phenomenon

MORE than 174,000 deaths were registered in Australia in 2022 – 12 per cent more than was predicted. This represents one of the largest excess death levels outside the pandemic in 80 years, a…

www.thesun.co.uk

 

[Federberg]

Meta-analysis reveals wide range of persistent long-COVID psychiatric symptoms

The top three conditions were anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

 

[britbox]

Meta-analysis reveals wide range of persistent long-COVID psychiatric symptoms

The top three conditions were anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

This is the best study to read regarding Long Covid, or Covid in general.

The Emperor's New Clothes - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Moxie]

Yes, a complete and utter mystery... experts completely baffled. It's happening in all of the most vaccinated countries in the world... but a complete mystery. We only know for certain that it definitely isn't anything to do with the vaccine.

Australians dying at levels not seen in 80 years & UK is seeing same phenomenon

MORE than 174,000 deaths were registered in Australia in 2022 – 12 per cent more than was predicted. This represents one of the largest excess death levels outside the pandemic in 80 years, a…

www.thesun.co.uk

Even though the Sun is a big of a rag, the article you post makes sense. Did you even read it? It doesn't say that the deaths are a mystery. It says they were mostly due to heart disease and cancer. No, they were not within normal levels outside of the pandemic, but isn't that the complaint of those who were against pandemic shut-down? That people didn't get seen enough for other diseases in good time? Your interpretation of this article is rather hysterical, IMO, and outside of anything it says. You're looking for Covid to be a hoax and the vaccine to be venom. In this case, I think you're looking too hard.

 

[Moxie]

Meta-analysis reveals wide range of persistent long-COVID psychiatric symptoms

The top three conditions were anxiety, depression, and post-traumatic stress disorder.

www.cidrap.umn.edu

I have known a few people with minor long-covid symptoms, but I have only known them to report physical ones. (Long-term lack of energy and shortness of breath.) Whichever the effects, I will say this is a big reason I don't want to get Covid.

 

[britbox]

Even though the Sun is a big of a rag, the article you post makes sense. Did you even read it? It doesn't say that the deaths are a mystery. It says they were mostly due to heart disease and cancer. No, they were not within normal levels outside of the pandemic, but isn't that the complaint of those who were against pandemic shut-down? That people didn't get seen enough for other diseases in good time? Your interpretation of this article is rather hysterical, IMO, and outside of anything it says. You're looking for Covid to be a hoax and the vaccine to be venom. In this case, I think you're looking too hard.

The Sun is a crap rag - agreed. I glanced at the article, but the real foundation of opinion lies in the official statistics provided by the ONS in the UK, and various other countries. Not to mention the VAERS reports, Yellow Card data and reports from the ground. Covid isn't a hoax, because Covid is an outcome. Now, Sars-Cov-2 is a different conversation. We're not in a position to agree on any of this right now Moxie... but none of the official narrative made much sense based on the data two and half years ago... it makes less now. Data v Information. I want the data, far more than the information.

 

[Kieran]

Justin Trudeau really is a piece of shit. I don’t usually say things like this, but he’s a vacuous boy prince wannabe tyrant, without a shred of integrity. He’s a racist too, and typical of the modern left, he looks down on the working class.

Recently he’s begun to lie about his vaccine mandates:

Trudeau says he didn't force anyone to get vaccinated, all the incentives were there to 'encourage Canadians'

Conservative Party leader Pierre Poilievre was quick to respond, posting to Twitter a clip of Trudeau saying “…and therefore while not forcing anyone to get vaccinated,” then cutting away to him speaking to cameras in October 2021, when he said: “The bottom line, proof of vaccination will be required by no later than the end of this month for all federal employees, and by mid-November, enforcement measures in place will make sure that everyone is vaccinated.”

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[britbox]

Forests of the Fallen are cropping up all around Australia. Powerful messaging.

 

[Kieran]

Forests of the Fallen are cropping up all around Australia. Powerful messaging.

This is very powerful. Might have been banned 2 years ago..

 

[tented]

I‘m surprised I haven’t had it, especially considering I’ve flown to Florida twice. The first time I wore a mask, the second time I did not. I think I mentioned this somewhere, but my sister drove all around Scotland a couple of months ago with a group of 5 people. Everyone got covid but her. She tested negative, while everyone else was positive and sick. Natural immunity? If so, do I have the same? Who knows.

I’ve had the original two-dose version of the Moderna vaccination, plus a booster. I’m not shocked Big Pharma has suppressed and lied. They certainly did make it seem as if getting the vaccine would a) prevent people from getting it and b) stop transmission. Both lies. I think it was @Front242 who posted a link to a video of a European Commission hearing at which someone from Pfizer admitted they had never even studied transmission before releasing the vaccine.

Well, I got covid. And yes, while traveling back from Florida. It hasn’t been too bad, though: a persistent cough, congestion, achy, tired. If I had never heard of covid, I would be convinced I currently have a cold or a mild flu.

But a few things are clear from this: the vaccines did not prevent me getting covid; the vaccines did not prevent transmission; the current form(s) of covid are not nearly as potent as the early ones; as covid continues to get watered down in its newer variations, it’s clear there’s no need for more vaccines.

 

[Moxie]

Well, I got covid. And yes, while traveling back from Florida. It hasn’t been too bad, though: a persistent cough, congestion, achy, tired. If I had never heard of covid, I would be convinced I currently have a cold or a mild flu.

But a few things are clear from this: the vaccines did not prevent me getting covid; the vaccines did not prevent transmission; the current form(s) of covid are not nearly as potent as the early ones; as covid continues to get watered down in its newer variations, it’s clear there’s no need for more vaccines.

I'm hoping they'll incorporate covid into the flu vaccines. It seems to be becoming a strain of flu. I know some don't take flu vaccines, but I have no problem with that. Yes, covid has mutated, and seems like taking another booster is once again closing the barn door when the horses have already got loose, and I don't feel I'll need another Covid booster. But it's a work-in-progress. I still believe that a combination of factors staunched the spread, early on, when it was more virulent, such as social-distancing, isolating, and masking. I know it will never be provable to the satisfaction of everyone that a vaccine helped, but I believe it did. IF the vaccine lessened symptoms, it was useful, when the virus was still strong. There was a time, at least here in the US, when cases of that led to hospitalization were mostly amongst the unvaccinated. Sure, they hoped that the vaccine would stop the spread, but it didn't seem to do that. But it DID seem to lessen symptoms. You can believe that your case was mild because the stain is milder, or because you're vaccinated, or some combination. Question: do you regret taking the vaccine?

 

[tented]

I'm hoping they'll incorporate covid into the flu vaccines. It seems to be becoming a strain of flu. I know some don't take flu vaccines, but I have no problem with that. Yes, covid has mutated, and seems like taking another booster is once again closing the barn door when the horses have already got loose, and I don't feel I'll need another Covid booster. But it's a work-in-progress. I still believe that a combination of factors staunched the spread, early on, when it was more virulent, such as social-distancing, isolating, and masking. I know it will never be provable to the satisfaction of everyone that a vaccine helped, but I believe it did. IF the vaccine lessened symptoms, it was useful, when the virus was still strong. There was a time, at least here in the US, when cases of that led to hospitalization were mostly amongst the unvaccinated. Sure, they hoped that the vaccine would stop the spread, but it didn't seem to do that. But it DID seem to lessen symptoms. You can believe that your case was mild because the stain is milder, or because you're vaccinated, or some combination. Question: do you regret taking the vaccine?

No, I don’t regret taking the vaccine. I suspect they would have helped had I got covid in 2020-2021.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I'm hoping they'll incorporate covid into the flu vaccines. It seems to be becoming a strain of flu. I know some don't take flu vaccines, but I have no problem with that. Yes, covid has mutated, and seems like taking another booster is once again closing the barn door when the horses have already got loose, and I don't feel I'll need another Covid booster. But it's a work-in-progress. I still believe that a combination of factors staunched the spread, early on, when it was more virulent, such as social-distancing, isolating, and masking. I know it will never be provable to the satisfaction of everyone that a vaccine helped, but I believe it did. IF the vaccine lessened symptoms, it was useful, when the virus was still strong. There was a time, at least here in the US, when cases of that led to hospitalization were mostly amongst the unvaccinated. Sure, they hoped that the vaccine would stop the spread, but it didn't seem to do that. But it DID seem to lessen symptoms. You can believe that your case was mild because the stain is milder, or because you're vaccinated, or some combination. Question: do you regret taking the vaccine?

Here in Australia we are working on COVID with the flu vaccines, I thought they might have been here for our Winter, which is now in Australia,they are still working on it
After dodging COVID for over 3 years, I tested positive, though at first I thought it was just a head cold, and glad to say I got over it in 3 days, working in hospital's it was mandatory for me to be vaccinated against COVID and I have worked in ICU with Covid patients, which was very distressing in a lot of ways let me tell you.

 

[Federberg]

the historical write up on covid will be epic...

 

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[Federberg]

 

[tented]

Right at the beginning, there’s a sign of what has gone so wrong: “conservative MP”.

Once again, we’re seeing what should be a bipartisan issue — a healthcare concern — being split between liberals and conservatives. It’s truly pathetic. We shouldn’t always be hearing one version from one side and the reverse from the other. We should be seeking objective truths, regardless of political affiliations.