Cincinnati Masters 2023, Ohio, US - ATP Masters 1000

[Fiero425]

Remember Kieran she hit the ball like Novak did when the point was over which is a bit difference. I'm thinking if the racket flies out your hand while you're in a swing motion it's not something that's a disqualifier. @don_fabio @Fiero425 any thoughts on this?

That DQ was total BS! Novak didn't swipe at that ball in anger! He hit in the direction of the backstop & that woman walked right into the ball!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Tsitsipas says a spectator is making a 'buzzing sound' on purpose before he serves in his match against Shelton
Stef then walks over calmly and addresses the fan directly

 

[Kieran]

That DQ was total BS! Novak didn't swipe at that ball in anger! He hit in the direction of the backstop & that woman walked right into the ball!

He bashed it. Then he was sneaky and creepy in trying to throw her under a bus to the officials. An inability to take responsibility for himself. It’s a thing with him. The bad boy Buddhist of Monte Carlo.

But I’m more intrigued by Stefan Edberg killing a bloke. I heard Sampras robbed a bank using only his second serve, that doesn’t surprise me. But Stefan?!

 

[Kieran]

Tsitsipas says a spectator is making a 'buzzing sound' on purpose before he serves in his match against Shelton
Stef then walks over calmly and addresses the fan directly

Fan tell him to buzz off?

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Fan tell him to buzz off?

We wish lol!

 

[the AntiPusher]

Tsitsipas says a spectator is making a 'buzzing sound' on purpose before he serves in his match against Shelton
Stef then walks over calmly and addresses the fan directly

Hey MM remember when the incident with Big Doe and Canadian missile guy. In the Shelton match vs Tsitispas, the young Greek hit a ball that hit the top of the top of the pole above the Emirates logo sign that is located in the doubles part of the net and the live ball bounce back into the singles court.

 

[tented]

Remember Kieran she hit the ball like Novak did when the point was over which is a bit difference. I'm thinking if the racket flies out your hand while you're in a swing motion it's not something that's a disqualifier. @don_fabio @Fiero425 any thoughts on this?

If something happens which is an accident, and not on purpose or due to negligent behavior, it’s OK. I clearly remember Rafa hitting a ball that hit a ballgirl right on the head. It was unintended, so he was not disqualified. It was an unfortunate accident. But he wasn’t trying to hit her out of anger, nor did he hit the ball in anger without paying attention to the surroundings.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Fan tell him to buzz off?

It was one of Keli's @kskate2 friends from the Chi

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Hey MM remember when the incident with Big Doe and Canadian missile guy. In the Shelton match vs Tsitispas, the young Greek hit a ball that hit the top of the top of the pole above the Emirates logo sign that is located in the doubles part of the net and the live ball bounce back into the singles court.

I dont remember that incident with Big Doe and Canadian missile guy?

 

[the AntiPusher]

I dont remember that incident with Big Doe and Canadian missile guy?

Come on MM .. remember Big Foe ran into the double part of the net afterwards the ball was missed by the big Canadian..the Fergus umpire call

 

[Kieran]

Come on MM .. remember Big Foe ran into the double part of the net afterwards the ball was missed by the big Canadian..the Fergus umpire call

Ah yeah, only recently against Raonic..

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Come on MM .. remember Big Foe ran into the double part of the net afterwards the ball was missed by the big Canadian..the Fergus umpire call

Yeah it is coming back to me now, I am watching 2 matches at once BTW, the rule I thought was wrong at the time

 

[tented]

This is from the ATP Rulebook:

Section 4) Offenses

a) Ball Abuse

i) Players shall not violently, dangerously or with anger hit, kick or throw a tennis ball while on the grounds of the tournament site except in the reasonable pursuit of a point during a match (including warm-up). For purposes of this rule, abuse of balls is defined as intentionally or recklessly hitting a ball out of the enclosure of the court, hitting a ball dangerously or recklessly within the court or hitting a ball with disregard of the consequences.

b) Racquet or Equipment Abuse

i) Players shall not violently, dangerously or with anger hit, kick or throw a racquet or other equipment within the precincts of the tournament site. For purposes of this rule, abuse of racquets or equipment is defined as intentionally, dangerously and violently destroying or damaging racquets or equipment or intentionally and violently hitting the net, court, umpire’s chair or other fixture during a match out of anger or frustration.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I wish a player would throw me their smashed racket. If I caught it I would have tossed it back on the court.

 

[the AntiPusher]

This is from the ATP Rulebook:

Section 4) Offenses

a) Ball Abuse

i) Players shall not violently, dangerously or with anger hit, kick or throw a tennis ball while on the grounds of the tournament site except in the reasonable pursuit of a point during a match (including warm-up). For purposes of this rule, abuse of balls is defined as intentionally or recklessly hitting a ball out of the enclosure of the court, hitting a ball dangerously or recklessly within the court or hitting a ball with disregard of the consequences.

b) Racquet or Equipment Abuse

i) Players shall not violently, dangerously or with anger hit, kick or throw a racquet or other equipment within the precincts of the tournament site. For purposes of this rule, abuse of racquets or equipment is defined as intentionally, dangerously and violently destroying or damaging racquets or equipment or intentionally and violently hitting the net, court, umpire’s chair or other fixture during a match out of anger or frustration.

Thanks Tented..this Racket abuse rule doesn't apply if the loss of racket occurs during the point while the player is making a legitimate attempt to keep the ball in play.. Correct

 

[tented]

Thanks Tented..this Racket abuse rule doesn't apply if the loss of racket occurs during the point while the player is making a legitimate attempt to keep the ball in play.. Correct

But the rule doesn’t apply to this case, since it wasn’t intentional, nor due to negligent behavior, therefore in that manner the rule does apply.

 

[don_fabio]

Remember Kieran she hit the ball like Novak did when the point was over which is a bit difference. I'm thinking if the racket flies out your hand while you're in a swing motion it's not something that's a disqualifier. @don_fabio @Fiero425 any thoughts on this?

I'm with others. If you lose a grip on the racket during the point and it hits someone I'd call it an accident. I've seen players when they throw the racket towards the ball when they are defeated in a point, but that is more like a crowd pleaser so in case they hit someone like that I would give them a pass, but could they also get DQ? What Novak did was bad temper after the point, so he got DQ.

I don't know about this womens doubles case, haven't seen it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I'm with others. If you lose a grip on the racket during the point and it hits someone I'd call it an accident. I've seen players when they throw the racket towards the ball when they are defeated in a point, but that is more like a crowd pleaser so in case they hit someone like that I would give them a pass, but could they also get DQ? What Novak did was bad temper after the point, so he got DQ.

I don't know about this womens doubles case, haven't seen it.

Well Don I have did exactly that about 15 years ago, ball was over my head. I couldn't get it and my racket left my hand and hit the ball which landed in across the net but the point was taken from me because the racket wasn't in my hand .

 

[tented]

Well Don I have did exactly that about 15 years ago, ball was over my head. I couldn't get it and my racket left my hand and hit the ball which landed in across the net but the point was taken from me because the racket wasn't in my hand .

That is definitely a rule: you must be holding the racket for the point to count.

 

[don_fabio]

That is definitely a rule: you must be holding the racket for the point to count.

Yap, but it would be cool to get 2 points if you make a shot