Cilic Banned for 9 months

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From today's presser:

Q. You have been outspoken person about antidoping. Are you at all uncomfortable losing to somebody who only last year was convicted of an antidoping violation?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I'm fine with it. I truly believed he didn't do anything wrong in the sense that he did it on purpose. Was he stupid maybe? Maybe. You know, yeah. But I feel like I know him well enough, and I don't think he would ever do it. I don't quite remember what the circumstances were, but I feel more bad for him than anything else. So for me, when I see him it doesn't cross my mind in any way. And, no, I think he was becoming the player he is already way before that, so from that standpoint no problem for me.
 

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1972Murat said:
From today's presser:

Q. You have been outspoken person about antidoping. Are you at all uncomfortable losing to somebody who only last year was convicted of an antidoping violation?

ROGER FEDERER: Yeah, I'm fine with it. I truly believed he didn't do anything wrong in the sense that he did it on purpose. Was he stupid maybe? Maybe. You know, yeah. But I feel like I know him well enough, and I don't think he would ever do it. I don't quite remember what the circumstances were, but I feel more bad for him than anything else. So for me, when I see him it doesn't cross my mind in any way. And, no, I think he was becoming the player he is already way before that, so from that standpoint no problem for me.

Bingo. Roger and Marin have been regular practice partners. If he thought Colic was a dirty cheat, that would be the end of it.
 

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^ Equally so what's he supposed to say in answer to that question? "Yeah, they didn't research properly, he was clearly doping" ? That would be seen as just sour grapes after losing so of course he had to say what he did.
 

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Front242 said:
^ Equally so what's he supposed to say in answer to that question? "Yeah, they didn't research properly, he was clearly doping" ? That would be seen as just sour grapes after losing so of course he had to say what he did.

Front, Roger always talk highly of Marin. Sure, he might be clueless, who knows, but I don't think he HAD to say what he did. That is genuinely how he feels about Cilic.
 

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Of all the players, Roger is the most nimble when it comes to the press. I've seen him cleverly, smoothly work his way through many gotcha questions. He could have come up with something else to say had he wanted to, and evaded answering the exact question. But he didn't. That should tell you everything you need to know about his true thoughts on the situation.
 

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1972Murat said:
Front242 said:
^ Equally so what's he supposed to say in answer to that question? "Yeah, they didn't research properly, he was clearly doping" ? That would be seen as just sour grapes after losing so of course he had to say what he did.

Front, Roger always talk highly of Marin. Sure, he might be clueless, who knows, but I don't think he HAD to say what he did. That is genuinely how he feels about Cilic.

Nice that he believes him in that case, Murat. And the the last line of his presser comment where he says Cilic was well on the way to becoming a much better player before his ban is true too.
 

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I would like to remind everyone of what happened to Korda. He won AO in 1998 and
then tested positive in Wimbledon 98. But, ITF did not ban him and did not tell anybody
about it. Finally, in Dec. 1998 they made the information public.

Now, comes the beautiful part. ITF wanted to appeal against its own previous
decision of not banning him. Then, it went to the court. The court said that ITF
cannot appeal against its own decision and prevented the ban.

Now, comes the climax. Finally, ITF bans Korda for one year after he retires.

These ATP/ITF folks are complete clowns, they want to appeal against their
own decision, they ban players after they retire.

Korda was not stripped of his AO title or money as he did not test positive at
that time.

Now, if Cilic tests positive again, he would have the distinction of winning
a Grandslam in between two positive test. Of course, ATP/ITF will not strip
his USO title or money even then as he was clean during USO.
 

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^ Yeah, the way they've done things in tennis is a complete shambles. Strip the titles like they did to Lance. It's the only way to do it. If you won while doping, you don't deserve the money, the title or the fame, only the shame and the right to go hide in the corner like detention at school.
 

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Someone like Cilic who tested positive got just 4 months ban.

Now read the following story folks. ATP threatens Lu with a
3 year ban
if plays in Asian Games Gold Medal Match (you are right, this has
nothing to do with drugs) instead of reporting at Beijing Open on coming Monday.

I find it even hard to believe the story. But, it is published in a decent source.
Assuming it is true, shame on ATP especially as Lu can play both at
Asian Games gold medal match and then come and play on Wednesday in
the 1st round match at Beijing.
 

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That sounds "strange", to say the very least...
 

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^ I can't verify this story on the ATP's site, nor Sports Illustrated, ESPN, or tennis.com.
 

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tented said:
^ I can't verify this story on the ATP's site, nor Sports Illustrated, ESPN, or tennis.com.

I don't think ATP want to publicize this story and so it won't be there in ATP site.
The others are little slow to pick up on it.

For the uninitiated "Asian Games" is like Olympics restricted to Asian Countries.
This is a big deal for Asian Sportsmen (especially as they typically cannot get much
accolades in the Olympics where winning is dominated by USA, Russia and European
countries).
 

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Here is verification from another source on the stupid threat by ATP to ban Yen-Hsen Lu
for three years if he played in Asian Games instead of in Beijing.

http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aspt/201409300013.aspx

Lu decided to stick it out and play for gold medal in Asian Games, but lost it miserably
to an unknown Japanese Guy. Finally, ATP yielded and fined Lu to the tune of $100,000
but let him go without ban.
 

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Front242 said:
^ Equally so what's he supposed to say in answer to that question? "Yeah, they didn't research properly, he was clearly doping" ? That would be seen as just sour grapes after losing so of course he had to say what he did.

It's interesting you're far more understanding when Roger is asked with a question like this.

When Murray and Nadal were asked with questions about drug testing in light of the Lance Armstrong saga, you were up in arms. Similarly, what were they supposed to say: "No, we're against drug testing because it's against players' privacy?" It would have implied that tennis is a dirty sport.

I'm not looking to start $hit but that's literally what I told you in the other thread. I thank whoever bumped this thread because I now finally know your response to Roger's defense of Cilic.

For the record, I genuinely do not disagree with what you said above. I just wished you applied the same standards to some of your less favorite players.
 

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^ Not exactly more understanding. I said what's he supposed to say meaning I don't agree with what he said. That's not a proper comparison at all. Nadal stands up for all his Spanish buddies, Gasquet, you name it, even Contador with that lame as hell contaminated steak excuse, which laughably the media bought. Djokovic stood up for his friend Troicki, all athletes do this whether deep down or not they even mean it. That, however, is way different to moaning to the media about drug testing only to then ask for more and quit moaning years later following a huge scandal with Armstrong. Federer has never moaned about drug testing and said he's ok with the whereabouts rule. Compare that to Nadal and Murray on that issue and this was years before the Armstrong scandal. He's just more mature about these things. I guess older and wiser since they complained about this like kids in the past whereas he knows how important drug testing is and had the sense to not belittle it to the media and make himself look like a little girl who lost her Barbie doll.

Compare this from Federer in 2009:

"It's a tough system, no doubt. It's a significant change to what we were used to before, so I think it takes some getting used to it.

I feel like this is how you're going to catch them, right? You're not going to catch them ringing them up and saying, 'Look, I would like to test you maybe in two days.' The guy's cheating and they're smart, right? It's an hour a day. I know it's a pain, but I would like it to be a clean sport, and that's why I'm OK with it."

To this from Nadal in 2009:

"I think it [whereabouts] shows a lack of respect for privacy. I think it's a disgrace, particularly knowing what our sport is like. Even my mother or my uncle do not know where I am sometimes, so having to send a message or to be scared all day in case there is a last-minute change seems to me to be a complete exaggeration...

Those are things that completely have to change, and there is a unanimous voice on that in the locker room. It is an intolerable hunt. We have proved that we are a clean sport. You can count (doping) cases with one hand."

And this from Murray in 2009:

"These new rules are so draconian that it makes it almost impossible to live a normal life. I got a visit at 7am one morning at my home right after I had travelled home from Australia. I woke up not really knowing where I was and suffering badly from jet lag. It seemed ridiculous to me as I'd been tested just four days earlier, straight after the match I had lost in the Australian Open.

The official who came to my home wanted me to produce identification to prove who I was. He insisted on watching me provide a sample, literally with my trousers round my ankles, and then insisted that I wrote down my own address, even though he was at my private home at 7am.

I may miss a flight or a flight could be delayed, yet I have to let WADA know exactly where I will be, even when I am resting. They even turned up at my hotel in Miami while I was on holiday...

I support drug testing and strongly condemn any use of drugs in sport, but there has to be a more realistic and practical way to deal with the problem with tennis players."

Now you tell me who looks better there. There's a cookie for first prize. Here's the link btw, those quotes are on this link.

http://sportsanddrugs.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=001386
 

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I think if a guy was doping, he might conceal himself well by being publicly agreeable. And a guy who has nothing to hide might still have issues with the way they do things. None of these statements quoted above mean anything beyond what the players have said.

Far as I can see, neither Murray or Nadal ever stated they had a problem with being drug tested, and they've complied with everything that's been asked of them...
 

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Well of course they've complied as they've no choice but not without moaning a hell of a lot compared to Federer, for example who never changed his stance from this is so demeaning and crap to give me way more testing please 'cos I love it so much. That's quite a significant difference in approach above as you can see from their interview quotes.
 

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Their quotes only suggest they had issues with the how of it, not the what. Nadal and Murray comply as readily as Federer. As I said, a guy might conceal his evil behind a sweet facade, and a good guy may look nasty. We can't extrapolate anything from their quotes, other than their content...