Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[TsarMatt]

 

[brokenshoelace]

The Cilic comparison was also pretty ridiculous here, given that Cilic has zero disillusional fans defending him for 22 pages in one thread. Besides, Cilic actually got punished and did not ask the doping official to refrain from checking on him.

Wait, so a convicted doper comes back and wins a major...the outrage is somehow faaaaar less than a player asking for an umpire to stay away from him. The same ethically incorruptible beings who apparently are morally outraged at Nadal being coached on court or taking shady medical timeouts some three decades ago are claiming "Cilic did his time. No big deal." I'm being lectured by that kind of hypocrisy? Lol this place sometimes...

 

[DarthFed]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

 

[Federberg]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

Yup, that's true.

There was also outrage at Raonic for his cheating at the net thing some years ago. The key difference, of course, being that he doesn't have a fan base to create a multi-page thread in his defence :snicker

 

[brokenshoelace]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

Yup, that's true.

There was also outrage at Raonic for his cheating at the net thing some years ago. The key difference, of course, being that he doesn't have a fan base to create a multi-page thread in his defence :snicker

It takes two to tango mate. Raonic didn't have a bunch of white knights who despise his guts either. Something tells me Nadal fans are not responsible for the bulk of posts in this thread and that at worst, it's evenly divided, but keep that self serving bias going.

 

[brokenshoelace]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

Pretty sure random, unfounded accusations towards players who aren't Cilic led to the creation of these rules. In fact, the rules explicitly state you're allowed to comment on players who have failed drug tests before. Maybe if someone wasn't hellbent making every implication in the book that a certain left handed spaniard was juicing this would have never become an issue.

 

[Federberg]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

Yup, that's true.

There was also outrage at Raonic for his cheating at the net thing some years ago. The key difference, of course, being that he doesn't have a fan base to create a multi-page thread in his defence :snicker

It takes two to tango mate. Raonic didn't have a bunch of white knights who despise his guts either. Something tells me Nadal fans are not responsible for the bulk of posts in this thread and that at worst, it's evenly divided, but keep that self serving bias going.

:nono
I was actually making a joke at ALL our expense. But well done for parading your sense of humour deficit again

 

[Riotbeard]

I am gone two days, and I come back to the shocking revelation that this thread has devolved into just useless fan bickering. I can't believe it.:nono

:laydownlaughing:laydownlaughing:laydownlaughing

 

[tented]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

Pretty sure random, unfounded accusations towards players who aren't Cilic led to the creation of these rules. In fact, the rules explicitly state you're allowed to comment on players who have failed drug tests before. Maybe if someone wasn't hellbent making every implication in the book that a certain left handed spaniard was juicing this would have never become an issue.

Exactly. Comments about players who have tested positive, refused a test, or been caught in possession of banned substances are allowed. What's not allowed are comments stating a player is guilty of such behavior, without actual proof.

Darth, you were never silenced from making comments concerning Cilic.

 

[Riotbeard]

My one question about Cillic is why would I be outraged that Marin got caught and penalized? The outrage would come if he got caught, and did not get penalized.

 

[Riotbeard]

My one question about Cillic is why would I be outraged that Marin got caught and penalized? The outrage would come if he got caught, and did not get penalized.

Cillic to me seems pretty unrelated and a very different circumstance.

 

[DarthFed]

^ You have no outrage that the ATP/ITF accepted his excuse so easily and he was back on tour after 6 months? No outrage that it really appeared to be a silent ban until Croatian media spilled the beans causing the ATP to comment on it and try to downplay what was going on? Or any outrage that the juicer won a GS last year?

 

[DarthFed]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

Pretty sure random, unfounded accusations towards players who aren't Cilic led to the creation of these rules. In fact, the rules explicitly state you're allowed to comment on players who have failed drug tests before. Maybe if someone wasn't hellbent making every implication in the book that a certain left handed spaniard was juicing this would have never become an issue.

Exactly. Comments about players who have tested positive, refused a test, or been caught in possession of banned substances are allowed. What's not allowed are comments stating a player is guilty of such behavior, without actual proof.

Darth, you were never silenced from making comments concerning Cilic.

And what are the policies regarding players who were "cleared" by the ATP due to their mommies getting them cough drops? As I recall I am not free to call Cilic a juicer.

 

[DarthFed]

^ There was outrage on here but the posters, like myself, were silenced from commenting on Cilic regarding his doping since it was against forum rules.

Yup, that's true.

There was also outrage at Raonic for his cheating at the net thing some years ago. The key difference, of course, being that he doesn't have a fan base to create a multi-page thread in his defence :snicker

It takes two to tango mate. Raonic didn't have a bunch of white knights who despise his guts either. Something tells me Nadal fans are not responsible for the bulk of posts in this thread and that at worst, it's evenly divided, but keep that self serving bias going.

The fact that there was no defense to his actions is why the matter was dropped quickly. Everyone stated the obvious, Milos cheated, acted like a POS, etc. and that was that.

 

[tented]

Pretty sure random, unfounded accusations towards players who aren't Cilic led to the creation of these rules. In fact, the rules explicitly state you're allowed to comment on players who have failed drug tests before. Maybe if someone wasn't hellbent making every implication in the book that a certain left handed spaniard was juicing this would have never become an issue.

Exactly. Comments about players who have tested positive, refused a test, or been caught in possession of banned substances are allowed. What's not allowed are comments stating a player is guilty of such behavior, without actual proof.

Darth, you were never silenced from making comments concerning Cilic.

And what are the policies regarding players who were "cleared" by the ATP due to their mommies getting them cough drops? As I recall I am not free to call Cilic a juicer.

Here's the policy.

And that's the last post concerning doping. There is a separate thread for such matters, and this isn't it.

 

[Riotbeard]

^ You have no outrage that the ATP/ITF accepted his excuse so easily and he was back on tour after 6 months? No outrage that it really appeared to be a silent ban until Croatian media spilled the beans causing the ATP to comment on it and try to downplay what was going on? Or any outrage that the juicer won a GS last year?

Fair. I forgot about that stuff, and I was a bit upset at the time, but he did serve a penalty. Probably should have been more severe.

 

[Riotbeard]

^ You have no outrage that the ATP/ITF accepted his excuse so easily and he was back on tour after 6 months? No outrage that it really appeared to be a silent ban until Croatian media spilled the beans causing the ATP to comment on it and try to downplay what was going on? Or any outrage that the juicer won a GS last year?

I am not upset that he won a grandslam. I don't believe someone caught taking PEDs should be banned for life, so unless there is proof that he was on stuff when he won, I don't care.

 

[Riotbeard]

Exactly. Comments about players who have tested positive, refused a test, or been caught in possession of banned substances are allowed. What's not allowed are comments stating a player is guilty of such behavior, without actual proof.

Darth, you were never silenced from making comments concerning Cilic.

And what are the policies regarding players who were "cleared" by the ATP due to their mommies getting them cough drops? As I recall I am not free to call Cilic a juicer.

Here's the policy.

And that's the last post concerning doping. There is a separate thread for such matters, and this isn't it.

Sorry, missed your post T.

 

[brokenshoelace]

I am gone two days, and I come back to the shocking revelation that this thread has devolved into just useless fan bickering. I can't believe it.:nono

:laydownlaughing:laydownlaughing:laydownlaughing

As opposed to the useful 22 pages that preceded it?

 

[brokenshoelace]

My one question about Cillic is why would I be outraged that Marin got caught and penalized? The outrage would come if he got caught, and did not get penalized.

Ah, so as long as someone pays the penalty, there's no outrage for the crime? What kind of twisted logic is that? The guy CHEATED. Yes, he got caught and paid for it...but he cheated. That says a lot about the kind of person he is. Then he returns and...wins a major.

Now, had the issue in this thread simply been about Nadal not being penalized more and asking for Carlos' removal, it would be one thing. But as I've proven (yes, proven), it was filled with moral/ethical takes about Nadal and the kind of person he is.

You implied that he's corrupt, or instigating corruption. You don't think doping is a corrupt thing to do?Oh, but Marin did the time, that makes it OK.

I have a lot of respect for you but this is ludicrous.