Carlos Bernardes Withdrawn for Nadal Matches

[Kirijax]

French Open 2015: Rafael Nadal makes a mockery of the rule book

this should get everyone riled up for the French Open!

 

[Riotbeard]

That's pretty egregious. Tennis needs to better figure out rule enforcement.

 

[Kieran]

There's a few suppositions in the article, mainly that this is Rafa's fault. Not sure that conclusion is safe. Nor do I think the policy of keeping umpires and players who've had serious spats apart from each other is an unwise one. I can see the sense in it. An umpire is there to call it. In this case, he calls it correctly because Rafa is slow, no getting away from it. But if a player feels an umpire is being contrary or arbitrary in how they do things, it's a helluva distraction next time he plays.

I've said it before, chaps, the umps should call Rafa and anybody else up on things, and if they don't, it's not the players fault. But by the same measure, a player might feel the umpires timing sucks, or is vindictive, if they let the clock run all set, then call him on it at 4-4, 30-40. It's the umpires prerogative, in some ways, but if it becomes a case of bad blood, I can see an argument for keeping them apart.

I don't say it's right, but I can see why it could happen...

 

[Riotbeard]

There's a few suppositions in the article, mainly that this is Rafa's fault. Not sure that conclusion is safe. Nor do I think the policy of keeping umpires and players who've had serious spats apart from each other is an unwise one. I can see the sense in it. An umpire is there to call it. In this case, he calls it correctly because Rafa is slow, no getting away from it. But if a player feels an umpire is being contrary or arbitrary in how they do things, it's a helluva distraction next time he plays.

I've said it before, chaps, the umps should call Rafa and anybody else up on things, and if they don't, it's not the players fault. But by the same measure, a player might feel the umpires timing sucks, or is vindictive, if they let the clock run all set, then call him on it at 4-4, 30-40. It's the umpires prerogative, in some ways, but if it becomes a case of bad blood, I can see an argument for keeping them apart.

I don't say it's right, but I can see why it could happen...

Fair, but Rafa's argument is crap overall. Dude you know you're slow, and you're lucky you only got docked a 1st serve. I can't imagine Rafa only went over the time limit twice.

 

[Kieran]

There's a few suppositions in the article, mainly that this is Rafa's fault. Not sure that conclusion is safe. Nor do I think the policy of keeping umpires and players who've had serious spats apart from each other is an unwise one. I can see the sense in it. An umpire is there to call it. In this case, he calls it correctly because Rafa is slow, no getting away from it. But if a player feels an umpire is being contrary or arbitrary in how they do things, it's a helluva distraction next time he plays.

I've said it before, chaps, the umps should call Rafa and anybody else up on things, and if they don't, it's not the players fault. But by the same measure, a player might feel the umpires timing sucks, or is vindictive, if they let the clock run all set, then call him on it at 4-4, 30-40. It's the umpires prerogative, in some ways, but if it becomes a case of bad blood, I can see an argument for keeping them apart.

I don't say it's right, but I can see why it could happen...

Fair, but Rafa's argument is crap overall. Dude you know you're slow, and you're lucky you only got docked a 1st serve. I can't imagine Rafa only went over the time limit twice.

Of course, and they should enforce it earlier in the first set, rather than maybe deep in the fourth set. I find it ridiculous that they don't...

 

[Kirijax]

Like Riotbeard said, they need to work out the rule and then all of the umpires enforce it. They all have a stopwatch don't they?

But it's a sticky issue.

If Bernardes umps Nadal, matches, that could be a distraction for Nadal that he doesn't need. Of course, Nadal is the cause of said distraction but that's another issue. You don't want a player's performance on court to be affected by who's in the chair if at all possible.

If Bernardes is taken off of Nadal matches, then it looks like the tennis big-wigs are catering to Nadal and his pouty pouts and that doesn't look good to the other players or the fans.

Simple solution, make all of the players and umps follow the same rules. It's not a dodgy basketball phantom foul or a deflated football for crying out loud. You have a clock. Follow it!

 

[bajana]

So what happens if all umpires decide to enforce the rules and it upsets Nadal, will he then be playing his matches without the "offending" umpires, in case he gets distracted?

 

[Kieran]

Like Riotbeard said, they need to work out the rule and then all of the umpires enforce it. They all have a stopwatch don't they?

But it's a sticky issue.

If Bernardes umps Nadal, matches, that could be a distraction for Nadal that he doesn't need. Of course, Nadal is the cause of said distraction but that's another issue. You don't want a player's performance on court to be affected by who's in the chair if at all possible.

If Bernardes is taken off of Nadal matches, then it looks like the tennis big-wigs are catering to Nadal and his pouty pouts and that doesn't look good to the other players or the fans.

Simple solution, make all of the players and umps follow the same rules. It's not a dodgy basketball phantom foul or a deflated football for crying out loud. You have a clock. Follow it!

That's the solution. No player could argue with it. Will it happen, though? :Nono

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There's a few suppositions in the article, mainly that this is Rafa's fault. Not sure that conclusion is safe. Nor do I think the policy of keeping umpires and players who've had serious spats apart from each other is an unwise one. I can see the sense in it. An umpire is there to call it. In this case, he calls it correctly because Rafa is slow, no getting away from it. But if a player feels an umpire is being contrary or arbitrary in how they do things, it's a helluva distraction next time he plays.

I've said it before, chaps, the umps should call Rafa and anybody else up on things, and if they don't, it's not the players fault. But by the same measure, a player might feel the umpires timing sucks, or is vindictive, if they let the clock run all set, then call him on it at 4-4, 30-40. It's the umpires prerogative, in some ways, but if it becomes a case of bad blood, I can see an argument for keeping them apart.

I don't say it's right, but I can see why it could happen...

Fair, but Rafa's argument is crap overall. Dude you know you're slow, and you're lucky you only got docked a 1st serve. I can't imagine Rafa only went over the time limit twice.

Of course, and they should enforce it earlier in the first set, rather than maybe deep in the fourth set. I find it ridiculous that they don't...

I agree that this situation (4-4 30-40) happens. But, for a good reason though.

1. If they really start enforcing from the beginning in a strict manner, Rafa would lose about
20 points/first serves. Just be careful what you wish for.

2. Even though Rafa might take, say 5 seconds extra on a normal point, he tends to take
25 seconds extra at 4-4 30-40. Even fairly liberal umpires are thus forced to take action
at that time.

 

[Kieran]

No, I don't believe so. He's capable of speeding up, if only reluctantly. He takes so long because they allow him to...

 

[Kirijax]

One of the problems is Nadal's attitude. He acts like he should be allowed to take as much time as he wants.

 

[nehmeth]

No, I don't believe so. He's capable of speeding up, if only reluctantly. He takes so long because they allow him to...

Except when Bernardes holds him to it. Then the ump get's sh*t-can kicked to the curb. :snicker

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

its pretty embarrassing that tennis authorities are so weak and soft,

we all knew as soon as rafa had his pouty anti-bernardes tantrum that no way would he be umpiring little humble wafa's matches again.

 

[Riotbeard]

No, I don't believe so. He's capable of speeding up, if only reluctantly. He takes so long because they allow him to...

I agree with this, but the blame should go on Rafa not Bernades, who's strictness is quite lenient in any other sport.

 

[Billie]

Kind of expected considering their blow up earlier this year. I am just surprised that somebody leaked this to the press as they usually keep these kinds of things oh so secretive.

Hopefully Bernardes will umpire other players' matches as he is easily my favourite ump of all of them.

 

[Billie]

That's pretty egregious. Tennis needs to better figure out rule enforcement.

That is nice and ideal. However we don't live in such world and sports are not excluded from it. You could always find examples of unfair treatments for lesser ranked players. Some of them try to complain but to no avail. Some don't need to as they are pampered anyway. Some are forced to play in unsafe and tough conditions just to finish their matches, some can just say: I can't play under these conditions and leave. Just the way how it is. I read an article about how players' managers and PR people fight for their charges regarding court assignment. It's a crazy world. :shy:

 

[I.Haychew]

No worries for Bernardes...since he shouldn't have to worry about not being asked to umpire any high profile finals anymore. (smiley face emoticon)

 

[Federberg]

A decision as courageous as bringing in coaching into the WTA because of the fear of confronting the likes of Sharapova.. :nono Utterly spineless

 

[Kieran]

No, I don't believe so. He's capable of speeding up, if only reluctantly. He takes so long because they allow him to...

Except when Bernardes holds him to it. Then the ump get's sh*t-can kicked to the curb. :snicker

The problem isn't that he pulls him up on it, it's when he does. That sends a wrong signal to players. He should enforce it within the first three service games of the match, not deep in a fourth set, which we've seen...

 

[nehmeth]

No, I don't believe so. He's capable of speeding up, if only reluctantly. He takes so long because they allow him to...

Except when Bernardes holds him to it. Then the ump get's sh*t-can kicked to the curb. :snicker

The problem isn't that he pulls him up on it, it's when he does. That sends a wrong signal to players. He should enforce it within the first three service games of the match, not deep in a fourth set, which we've seen...

GameSetandMath responded to that earlier.

"I agree that this situation (4-4 30-40) happens. But, for a good reason though.

1. If they really start enforcing from the beginning in a strict manner, Rafa would lose about
20 points/first serves. Just be careful what you wish for.

2. Even though Rafa might take, say 5 seconds extra on a normal point, he tends to take
25 seconds extra at 4-4 30-40. Even fairly liberal umpires are thus forced to take action
at that time."