BNP Paribas Open, Indian Wells, CA, 2021 - ATP Masters 1000

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I guess it's a suprise of the tournament, the loss of Medvedev. Pretty much everyone thought he got this tourney in a pocket as @Moxie said, but as many times proven in any sport, nothing is given and you have to earn it. I think Daniil's chances of attacking the no.1 before year end are greatly reduced. I guess Zverev is next in line to win IW.
 
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I'm glad Dimitrov is playing so well, I was missing his good game which was lost for long time and shots like this one

 

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I guess it's a suprise of the tournament, the loss of Medvedev. Pretty much everyone thought he got this tourney in a pocket as @Moxie said, but as many times proven in any sport, nothing is given and you have to earn it. I think Daniil's chances of attacking the no.1 before year end are greatly reduced. I guess Zverev is next in line to win IW.
That was a pretty monumental collapse from Medvedev. I hadn't thought of the YE#1 until you mentioned it, (which always seemed like a long-shot for anyone but Novak,) but I wonder if it got into his head? Or the pressure of being the #1 seed? In any case, Medvedev is an unreliable #2, at best. His backhand always reminded me of Safin's, and now so does his head. (With less breaking of racquets.)
 

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I talked about this a bit (Courier) in my latest installment of the "mega-thread."

Before starting up his Senior league to dominate and redeem himself, the last memory I have of Jim playing is being up 40-L serving for a DC match against a nobody; German Tiel! He preceeded to lose his serve and the match! That's happened to plenty of people, but it was the way it happened that was so striking! I really wondered why he was still playing! He had no back up game over his trying to take the cover off the ball; sorta like today! He was ahead of his time I guess! :facepalm: :thinking-face::sick::ambulance::rip:
 
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That was a pretty monumental collapse from Medvedev. I hadn't thought of the YE#1 until you mentioned it, (which always seemed like a long-shot for anyone but Novak,) but I wonder if it got into his head? Or the pressure of being the #1 seed? In any case, Medvedev is an unreliable #2, at best. His backhand always reminded me of Safin's, and now so does his head. (With less breaking of racquets.)
And it's not the first time that he choked like that. Agree, he can be unreliable and similar to all younger guys compared to big3 when it comes to playing week in week out.
 

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And it's not the first time that he choked like that. Agree, he can be unreliable and similar to all younger guys compared to big3 when it comes to playing week in week out.
That’s why we have to “lower” some type expectations on these “young” guys. Personally, while it was “shocking” that Medvedev lost that way, I won’t be surprised if Medvedev goes another run like he did last year at the end of 2020. Also, while he can get over his head sometimes, I still trust him, at least on hardcourts, over Tsitsipas and Zverev.

I mean both Tsitsipas and Zverev lost a two set lead in a Slam final! Before those two, the last time it had happened was 2004 RG Final. So, I still trust Medvedev over Tsitsipas and Zverev at least on hardcourts
 
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And it's not the first time that he choked like that. Agree, he can be unreliable and similar to all younger guys compared to big3 when it comes to playing week in week out.
And this is why the Big 3 are what they are. Year-in/year-out of not just winning a few things, but most everything. I think it's hard for all of us to even appreciate anymore what that kind of concentration and consistency it takes, because Roger, Rafa and Novak have made it look, if not easy, at least possible. But then everyone in their wake...Lost Gen, Next Gen, Next Next Gen...proves just how hard it is. I think that's why, when we look at the youngsters, a lot of us seem to be noting the ones that seem to have a certain stability and maturity, along with skills. Which is why Sinner lights up for a lot of people. (Yes, he lost yesterday. But he's young.) I'm not saying that Medvedev is a lost cause because of what happened yesterday. He will likely even be the first of the rest to get to #1, but he'll always be in the scrum and won't rise to the level of world beater, if you ask me. I give him 3 Majors, tops.
 
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I don’t think we will see another 7+ slam winner for a while and that’s okay to me personally. The reason I am okay with that is because if I start to compare to every young talent to the Big Three, then I will just be super disappointed if that young talent doesn’t win 7+ slams, 12+ masters 1000, ATP tour final titles and etc…

As for Medvedev, while I can see why Moxie said he will only win 3 slams tops, I can also say Medvedev can win 4 maybe 5 slams in his career. The reason I say this is because he clearly has the superior hardcourt game over both Tsitsipas and Zverev. Add in the fact that Slams are best 3 out of 5, I don’t see Tsitsipas or Zverev beating Medvedev that much on hardcourt slams. Clay and Grass are different stories altogether.
 
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Taylor hanging in to tie to force a TB v. Zverev. Zed played a terrible game to drop serve when trying to close it out. The pressure of being the new fav?

EDIT: From 2-5 down in the set, Taylor forces the TB.
 
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4 surprise semi finalists!
Pressure and expectations change which puts top players in precarious positions; esp. late in the season when they're run down! I love how the American is excelling, but it won't last! Playing good, solid tennis only gets you so far! To reach and stay at or near the top a real weapon is needed! Isner and Querrey have skated thru with mostly their serves and an honory mention of their forehands and net play! Taylor's had a nice run, but I can't see it going on for any significant length of time! He still needs a player to self-destruct to help along the way! JUST SAYING! :thinking-face: :face-with-hand-over-mouth: :exploding-head:
 
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You think Taylor has no weapons? Serve would be one.
 

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4 surprise semi finalists!
Dimitrov v Norrie, Fritz v Basilashvili. Land of opportunity in a MS 1000. Norrie has been flying under the radar this year, with as many wins as Novak. And Fritz is a local favorite. Should be interesting.
 

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I did mention that this was Sasha's tournament to lose,apparently he took me seriously :)
This has been one weird tournament for upsets,though I think a lot of players are running on fumes at this time of the year
 
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I did mention that this was Sasha's tournament to lose,apparently he took me seriously :)
This has been one weird tournament for upsets,though I think a lot of players are running on fumes at this time of the year
Honestly, I think that's a terrible excuse. Medvedev had the perfect opportunity to rack up points and put himself in position to claim the YE#1. And he blew it. Then Zverev is in the pole position...and he can't do it. I know why @rafanoy1992 asked me not to expect them to be the Big 3, and I don't. But I'd like to see the fire in the belly that makes one of these top contenders recognize the opportunity and seize it. Instead, they fold. It's discouraging.
 

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Honestly, I think that's a terrible excuse. Medvedev had the perfect opportunity to rack up points and put himself in position to claim the YE#1. And he blew it. Then Zverev is in the pole position...and he can't do it. I know why @rafanoy1992 asked me not to expect them to be the Big 3, and I don't. But I'd like to see the fire in the belly that makes one of these top contenders recognize the opportunity and seize it. Instead, they fold. It's discouraging.
I take your point,I also agree with Rafanoy you cannot expect them to be the Big 3.Quite frankly I do not think players like Med,Sasha and The Young Greek have shown to date they have 'fire in their bellies' to me they arent really top contenders.
 

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Here’s the thing: @Moxie and @MargaretMcAleer if you look at the last four major events (Canada, Cincy, Olympics and US Open), those were won by two players: Medvedev and Zverev. So, it is not like they are not winning the major events. Like I said, those three (Medvedev, Tsitsipas, and Zverev), won’t be the Big Three. They won’t win every single major event like the Big Three, and that’s okay. If anything, if there is one player that needs fire in the belly, it will be Tsitsipas. He hasn’t won any big titles since Monte Carlo. There’s something about him mentally that prevents him from winning big titles. As for Zverev, it is just Matter of doing it in slams, which I don’t know when will happen for him.
 

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I take your point,I also agree with Rafanoy you cannot expect them to be the Big 3.Quite frankly I do not think players like Med,Sasha and The Young Greek have shown to date they have 'fire in their bellies' to me they arent really top contenders.
I think, as several have said, like El Dude, that we may be heading for a period like the late 90s, where there is no obvious top player or even group of them.
 
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