BNP Paribas Masters - ATP 1000 - Oct. 27th to Nov. 2nd

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Djoker gets Kohly. If Djoker does not come in with full body and mind, Kohly is capable of
finishing him off.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Djoker gets Kohly. If Djoker does not come in with full body and mind, Kohly is capable of
finishing him off.
Don't think so. That Kohls prescription only works on Isner. Novak could be at 60% and still claim victory.
 

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kskate2 said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Djoker gets Kohly. If Djoker does not come in with full body and mind, Kohly is capable of
finishing him off.
Don't think so. That Kohls prescription only works on Isner. Novak could be at 60% and still claim victory.

Obviously, I did not mean to say that Kohly is favorite. But, I think we need at least 75% of Djoker here.
Once upon a time, in 2009, Kohly beat Novak in French Open. It is not like he has not done it
before. Of course, that was before Novak became a major force. Nonethelss, it is in a
Grand Slam and after Novak had won a grand slam.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
kskate2 said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Djoker gets Kohly. If Djoker does not come in with full body and mind, Kohly is capable of
finishing him off.
Don't think so. That Kohls prescription only works on Isner. Novak could be at 60% and still claim victory.

Obviously, I did mean to say that Kohly is favorite. But, I think we need at least 75% of Djoker here.
Once upon a time, in 2009, Kohly beat Novak in French Open. It is not like he has not done it
before. Of course, that was before Novak became a major force. Nonethelss, it is in a
Grand Slam and after Novak had won a grand slam.
Still don't agree. Novak has seen the Kohls movie several times in the last couple of years and it's still the same script (Kohls has a nice game, but isn't able to put away the upper echelon players).
 

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When you are coming off a break and that too after a major life event, I don't think
Kohly is the opponent you want across the net in your first match. I could easily name
several other players who could warm Novak up without being a threat.

More than the physical aspect, Novak cannot afford to lose mental focus in this match.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
When you are coming off a break and that too after a major life event, I don't think
Kohly is the opponent you want across the net in your first match. I could easily name
several other players who could warm Novak up without being a threat.

More than the physical aspect, Novak cannot afford to lose mental focus in this match.

It's not the best draw in the world, but its a Masters. Should be fine. Don't think Kohli is going to 'finish off' Novak lol. I think you have your mind set on that no 1 position. Roger wouldn't deserve it in the first place, he has not even won a Slam this year.
 

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The WTF is worth 1500 points if you win it undefeated. Not saying Roger will win it but actually whoever does win it, that's second only to winning a slam as you're playing top 8 players only all tournament. Sure, it looks better on paper to have won a slam if you end up number one, but we're not exactly on the same wavelength as WTA slamless numbers 1s here either as he's gone deep in pretty much every event he's entered and since it's based on points accumulated that's just how it goes. Whoever has the most at the end of the year of course does deserve it since they bagged the most points. It's not like Roger's playing 250 events every week, he's doing well in the biggest ones.
 

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Denisovich said:
GameSetAndMath said:
When you are coming off a break and that too after a major life event, I don't think
Kohly is the opponent you want across the net in your first match. I could easily name
several other players who could warm Novak up without being a threat.

More than the physical aspect, Novak cannot afford to lose mental focus in this match.

It's not the best draw in the world, but its a Masters. Should be fine. Don't think Kohli is going to 'finish off' Novak lol. I think you have your mind set on that no 1 position. Roger wouldn't deserve it in the first place, he has not even won a Slam this year.

I'm not sure you what you mean by "deserve". If he gets the number 1 ranking he deserves it.. it's almost a tautology. Unless you're suggesting there's something wrong with the ranking system? Look.. I've said it before.. if Roger gets the number 1 ranking does it mean he's had the best year of all? Absolutely not. He would trade that for a slam every day of the week and Sunday. But as a reflection of his consistent results throughout the year.. he would deserve it. The fact that this is so unusual actually gives the achievement credibility. Don't be surprised in a year where no player has been able to win more than one slam.. Frankly no one has really separated themselves from the pack. This is what you get
 

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If the guy who finished with more points don't deserve it, who else does? The guy who finished fourth?

I am ok with a statement like "If Djokovic finishes at #1, his achievment would be more valuable, given that he won a major".

Or, if Djokovic is not allowed to play by conditions out of his control, than, ok, it would be unfair. But the guys are neck to neck, aware of what is at stake. If they both play this last two tournaments, whoever wins surely deserves it.
 

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Here is the OOP for Tuesday. There are 10 singles matches scheduled. six of them are remaining first round matches and four of them are second round matches.

Among big names, Novak and Berdych are in action. Novak takes on Kohly and Berdych takes on a local guy Mannarino. David Goffin and Tommy Robredo, the two finalists of last week in Basel and Valencia are also playing tomorrow (as they are not ranked high enough to get a first round bye) and this is a short turnaround for these guys considering the travel also. More so for Robredo who had a marathon encounter on Sunday. Goffin plays Rosol and Robredo plays Popscile. It would be interesting to see whether they can hold up.
 

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Tuesday, October 28, 2014

Court Central Start 11:00 A.M.


[Q] Kenny De Schepper (FRA) v Jeremy Chardy (FRA)

Fernando Verdasco (ESP) v [15] Gilles Simon (FRA)

Joao Sousa (POR) v Gael Monfils (FRA)

Richard Gasquet (FRA) / Jo-Wilfried Tsonga (FRA) v David Marrero (ESP) / Fernando Verdasco (ESP)

Not Before 7:30 P.M.

[1] Novak Djokovic (SRB) v Philipp Kohlschreiber (GER)

Not Before 8:30 P.M.

[5] Tomas Berdych (CZE) v [WC] Adrian Mannarino (FRA)




Court 1 Start 11:00 A.M.

Leonardo Mayer (ARG) v Pablo Cuevas (URU)

Tommy Robredo (ESP) v Vasek Pospisil (CAN)

Lukas Rosol (CZE) v [SE] David Goffin (BEL)

Ivo Karlovic (CRO) v [Q] Lucas Pouille (FRA)

[14] Kevin Anderson (RSA) v Santiago Giraldo (COL)




Court 2 Start 12:00

Eric Butorac (USA) / Raven Klaasen (RSA) v [WC] Pierre-Hugues Herbert (FRA) / Nicolas Mahut (FRA)

[WC] Jeremy Chardy (FRA) / Kenny De Schepper (FRA) v Lukasz Kubot (POL) / Robert Lindstedt (SWE)

John Isner (USA) / Sam Querrey (USA) v Leonardo Mayer (ARG) / Tommy Robredo (ESP)

Marin Draganja (CRO) / Lukas Rosol (CZE) v [PR] Marcin Matkowski (POL) / Jurgen Melzer (AUT)
 

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Denisovich said:
GameSetAndMath said:
When you are coming off a break and that too after a major life event, I don't think
Kohly is the opponent you want across the net in your first match. I could easily name
several other players who could warm Novak up without being a threat.

More than the physical aspect, Novak cannot afford to lose mental focus in this match.

It's not the best draw in the world, but its a Masters. Should be fine. Don't think Kohli is going to 'finish off' Novak lol. I think you have your mind set on that no 1 position. Roger wouldn't deserve it in the first place, he has not even won a Slam this year.

It is not a beauty contest, this number 1 thing. Where the points come from does not matter. You get more than anyone else, you deserve the spot.
 

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In ATP history (1973-2013) there have only been three years where the year-end #1 didn't win a Slam, two by Jimmy Connors - in 1974 and 1977 - and then John McEnroe in 1982. Interestingly enough, in two of those years another player won two Slams (Vilas in 1977 and Connors in 1982).
 

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El Dude said:
In ATP history (1973-2013) there have only been three years where the year-end #1 didn't win a Slam, two by Jimmy Connors - in 1974 and 1977 - and then John McEnroe in 1982. Interestingly enough, in two of those years another player won two Slams (Vilas in 1977 and Connors in 1982).

:cover :nono

Um, Connors won 3 slams in 1974 - Oz, Wimbledon, and the U.S. Open

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Co/J/Jimmy-Connors.aspx?t=tf