BNP Paribas Masters 1000, Paris

[Moxie]

You're such a lampoon of a Bond movie. Anyway, I think we were talking about a tennis tournament.

 

[Billie]

Wednesday, November 02, 2016
Day 5
COURT CENTRAL 11:00 am
2nd Rd (5) Kei Nishikori VS Viktor Troicki
Followed By
2nd Rd (13) Lucas Pouille VS Feliciano Lopez
Followed By
2nd Rd Albert Ramos-Vinolas VS (11) Jo-Wilfried Tsonga
Followed By
2nd Rd (1) Novak Djokovic VS Gilles Muller
Not Before 19:30
2nd Rd Fernando Verdasco VS (2) Andy Murray
Not Before 20:30
2nd Rd (3) Stan Wawrinka VS (Q) Jan-Lennard Struff
COURT 1 11:00 am
2nd Rd Nicolas Mahut VS (8) David Goffin
Not Before 12:00 noon
2nd Rd (9) Marin Cilic VS Ivo Karlovic
Followed By
2nd Rd Jack Sock VS (6) Dominic Thiem
Followed By
2nd Rd Gilles Simon VS (10) Roberto Bautista Agut
Followed By
2nd Rd (16) Pablo Cuevas VS Paolo Lorenzi
Followed By
2nd Rd John Isner VS (15) David Ferrer

 

[Moxie]

Gilles Muller is a tough guy, so I guess we'll see how Novak's coming back. Sock v. Thiem could be interesting. And I guess we'll see what shape Nishikori is in.

 

[teddytennisfan]

You're such a lampoon of a Bond movie. Anyway, I think we were talking about a tennis tournament.

hehe...nice one -- yuo got me there. hehe.

understand one thing from ME - moxie..

i DO DETEST your position -- and the policies and habits of americans bout their country's self-styled ''role as gleader" in this world...it is WRONG.

but that does NOT mean i ''personally" ''hate' -- you , for instance.

in fact -- i am SO worried about YOU and americfans like that - i know what i am talking about because i COME from a country, philippines that IS occupied by YOIUR government and corporations and i KNOW OUR history of enslavement and tyranny under ''american democracy"

it is in MY country that many of the ''global procedures" of imperial tyranny your USA FIRST perfected THE METHODS..

from the earliest versions of your TORTURE CIA (they called them different institutions in those days -- bu the same tactic of planting sabotage against the nation to undermine its sovereignty using local ''leaders" they intimidated or coerced - like the puppet governments your country uses today everywhere )

and i know what Genocidal mass murdering the USA did

including the creation of the FIRST GLOBAL concentration camps that became the ''great achievement" of the nazis...THEY copied these FROM the americans who USED IT in the philipines.

so -- for YOU americans -- i feel -- NOT 'hatred" as you would put it -- LOW as my opinion is of your lack of knowledge and your arrogance in it --

i feel SORRY for you. this IS one reason i am talking the way i do and post ''stuff" ...because i want YOU - americans to open your eyese -- to the HIDEOUSNESS of what you call ''my america" and your government and leaders AND institutions...

do you know that

in the philippines, long ago -- in the 1900's -
platoons of black soldiers were also sent of course -- but ''racially segregated" as usual -- not unlike the way the USA used them in world war 2 - who were the FIRST to liberate people from NAZI camps -- only to go home to the USA and STILL be less than human even compared to the NAZIS they just helped put down (not after RUSSIA destroyed the NAZI power alrady)

nd that these black regiment soldiers in the philippines

went AWOL? and disappeared into the mountains to merge with the natives - intermarry, etc..?

that's because they SAW what they were made to DO (JUST LIKE YOUR BLACK AND HISPANIC soliders are told to do to BROWN people in the middle east and africa) -

kill BROWN ''monkeys" ...

and a famous anecdote among filipinos is

as the soldiers of americfa were BURNING villages (like they did with NAPALMS AND BOMBS in vietnam) -

a boy ran to a black soldier -- and screamed with tears...

"why- why are you doing this to us? you are from another country but don't you see our SKIN? we are dark -- why do you do this as your white leaders tell you?"
now -- ask yourself -- in those times s they STILL are today about america despite the PRETENSE OF ''postracial american" --

why WOULD A NATIVE BROWN boy RUN to BLACK SOLDIER while americfans were burning his village? he SAW THE OBVIOUS -- WHITE RACIST AMERICA was doing to HIM and his people what he could INSTINCTIVELY sense what it DOES TO BLACK people WHERE THAT black soldier came from and YET be told to burn the boy and his village...

he did not run to a white soldier - he ran to a soldier with dark brown skin "like me...do you not see we are the SAME?"

such a thing shamed the black regiments so much -- they went AWOL en masse...

and tha tkind of reality reached the ears of MARK TWAIN -- who declared

"we MIGHT as well plant our flag on those islands and in the world -- for we SHAME ourselves BEFORE THE WORLD....WE go and pretend that we are liberators when in truth we are nothing more than savage conquerors

"our flag should not have stars and stripes but be all in black =-- with Skulls and Bones and Dripping bLood".

IT IS STILL THE SAME AND WORSE -- for it sGLOBAL spread and TERROR, moxie.

and YOU in your willful ignorance -- clinging to what you SAY is ''my good america" --

are in GREAT DANGER of losing your VERY SOUL. no matter how much you wrap it with your patriotic fervor...

 

[teddytennisfan]

Gilles Muller is a tough guy, so I guess we'll see how Novak's coming back. Sock v. Thiem could be interesting. And I guess we'll see what shape Nishikori is in.

KEI -- imo -- has probably - almost - maximized what he is capable of .

we all know he IS very, very good -- and there is still a bit of room for improvement -- tactics, strategy , better timing in finding openings and closing points using his abilities..

but in the end -- if a BIG player that move svery well and has equally varied shots is on a roll - we boil down to

'BIGGER WEAPONS"

i emphasize -- BASED ON ''everything else equal" on talent, shot variety, technic, etc. etc.

the one with just more BANG -- is going to beat him. because
after all -- this is tennis -- there is ONLY so much ROOM to run AROUND in on the court and it's NOT an 'open-ended" battle field.

but so far -- KEI has done really well in his career. but still not quite ''top - top?"

 

[teddytennisfan]

this is a REALLY heavy field -- wow!!

 

[teddytennisfan]

Gilles Muller is a tough guy, so I guess we'll see how Novak's coming back. Sock v. Thiem could be interesting. And I guess we'll see what shape Nishikori is in.

SOMEHOW i am not YET very sold on THIEM -- talented as he really is. i think that if JACK KEEPS concentrated he SHOULD win.

Just my own assessment.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Amongst the interesting results: Carreño Busta and Misha Zverev seem to be on a roll, and Dimitrov loses to Baggy. Bagdahtis is tricky, but Dimitrov still can't pull it together.

the one i am a bit mystified about of the VETERANS -- is

ALMAGRO...

remember how he was so good agianst rafa and others just a few years back in the AO?

i can't understand what happened to him because he is So GOOD, IMO.

HE'S been one of the veteran players now i always liked to watch - but somehow he became like Verdasco . off and on in his own way but at times showing really amazing game.

 

[Moxie]

SOMEHOW i am not YET very sold on THIEM -- talented as he really is. i think that if JACK KEEPS concentrated he SHOULD win.

Just my own assessment.

That's why I think it'll be interesting. Sock has been slow to mature but is very good, and Thiem is talented but not thrilling. And has been a bit tired from his year. Sock could totally get him.

 

[Moxie]

the one i am a bit mystified about of the VETERANS -- is

ALMAGRO...

remember how he was so good agianst rafa and others just a few years back in the AO?

i can't understand what happened to him because he is So GOOD, IMO.

HE'S been one of the veteran players now i always liked to watch - but somehow he became like Verdasco . off and on in his own way but at times showing really amazing game.

Almagro and Verdasco have always been similar in that they have big hitting games, but their heads can go off. This is not new for Almagro. I like both of them, but you can't count on 'em.

 

[isabelle]

Sock/Thiem shoudl be good as well as Tabasco/KingAndy

 

[Carol]

Sock/Thiem shoudl be good as well as Tabasco/KingAndy

After to play 28 matches in 30 days I don't see Sock to go too far and 'tabasco' neither

 

[britbox]

After to play 28 matches in 30 days I don't see Sock to go too far and 'tabasco' neither

 

[britbox]

 

[Carol]

Wow, Sock is still 'alive'.....but how long?

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

wow..vernando fiasco got close to andy,,the soon to be no1 rank only winning 7-5 in third.

ferrer is dropping 360pts from a sf last year isn't he ?..could be the last time he is in the top20 this week.

sir grigor and mr sock fly the flag for the middle aged guns, as does marty mcfly..although he has a time machine so his actual age is sort of not relevant at all on any level.

 

[teddytennisfan]

That's why I think it'll be interesting. Sock has been slow to mature but is very good, and Thiem is talented but not thrilling. And has been a bit tired from his year. Sock could totally get him.

IN A WAY -- jack sock -- IN ''tennis completing the game style" sense -- is like WARINKA...or might turn out tht way...

u know -- got the weapons (big serve, great forehand (inwawrinka's case his backhand) - and then the ''other side" (backhand of jack , forehand of wawrinka)

was lagging for most of the years...

and then put them together -- and some tweaking in the brain...like a really critical coach - (norman in wawrinka's case) -

and then things fall into place.

jack reminds of wawrinka that way. but i really like jack's game. i like his attitude on court especially about not being so whiny - asks if a call was really correct, follows the rules, and then gets right back down to business. i like that from him. he's one i want to see winning a major someday.

 

[teddytennisfan]

wow..vernando fiasco got close to andy,,the soon to be no1 rank only winning 7-5 in third.

ferrer is dropping 360pts from a sf last year isn't he ?..could be the last time he is in the top20 this week.

sir grigor and mr sock fly the flag for the middle aged guns, as does marty mcfly..although he has a time machine so his actual age is sort of not relevant at all on any level.

it is good to see that as the tour has changed so that players can play well into their late 20's and early 30's and win BIG...we get to have a chance to see players - veterans -- at least have a fighting chance to 'redeem' their 'early promise" and FINALLY get a major or a really big title. i think THAT'S a great thing.

 

[teddytennisfan]

Almagro and Verdasco have always been similar in that they have big hitting games, but their heads can go off. This is not new for Almagro. I like both of them, but you can't count on 'em.

i also remember that aussie open where Verdasco reached a semis or something with one of the most intense fights ever...the one against nadal, i think.

and they are so unusual among the spaniards in that they have HUGE serves, really. at lest from their ''generation"

 

[Moxie]

IN A WAY -- jack sock -- IN ''tennis completing the game style" sense -- is like WARINKA...or might turn out tht way...

u know -- got the weapons (big serve, great forehand (inwawrinka's case his backhand) - and then the ''other side" (backhand of jack , forehand of wawrinka)

was lagging for most of the years...

and then put them together -- and some tweaking in the brain...like a really critical coach - (norman in wawrinka's case) -

and then things fall into place.

jack reminds of wawrinka that way. but i really like jack's game. i like his attitude on court especially about not being so whiny - asks if a call was really correct, follows the rules, and then gets right back down to business. i like that from him. he's one i want to see winning a major someday.

Interesting comparison to Wawrinka, Teddy. Good points. Speaking of Stan, he's in a fight with Struff. Andy had a battle with Verdasco today, too. I watched a good bit of that match. Fernando is still dangerous, in streaks, and Andy has probably got the nerves about how much he has to do to finally get the #1.