Biogenesis / Troicki / Cilic / Doping in Tennis

[britbox]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

so stop beating around the bush. who are the players on your suspect list?

All I'll say is it should be obvious to anyone without biased eyes. I'll leave the rest up to you and hopefully we'll get the definitive answer in a few years down the line.

Britbox; is it obvious to you who front it's looking at without biased eyes?

I think you need to read front a little bit harder mate

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Quote the post then buddy re: Nadal silent ban, because I can't find it. All, I will say is that there are people who have expressed a concern with the anti-doping protocols in tennis not being good enough. Last week, you basically said "Nothing to see here, move along..." Bearing in mind, the events of the past week, are you still of a similar mind?

He has MANY posts, just read the active threads right now..........

The events of the past week hasn't change a thing for me. Taking ban substance in sports has always been the reality; taking ban substances in tennis among the big names? That's a whole different proposition, I mean Agassi did performance hindrance drugs, Gasquet kissed too many "coked girls" but actual PED aim at boosting fitness or even mental concentration if such thing exist? Nah

Just a case of SOUR GRAPES among a small group of fans that loves a particular player very much.

Just quote one of the posts chief where Nadal is called out or move on and debate the actual point.

there are many POSTS


what the hell is this? Nadal/Novak/Murray are the gist of the front's crusades

He has no courage NOW to spell out names, only innuendos.....let's take the cover off. I want to know Front's evidence and logic behind it Nadal's doping abuse

all these whispering and double talk.......he needs to man up

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Quote one of them then for crying out loud, if you've got a beef with front's comments. We're talking about doping in tennis generally.. Last week you indicated there wasn't an issue worth talking about. This week, we've seen two players around the top 20 busted... Instead of talking about front, I for one would be more interested in your opinion about the point in question.

 

[huntingyou]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Quote one of them then for crying out loud, if you've got a beef with front's comments. We're talking about doping in tennis generally.. Last week you indicated there wasn't an issue worth talking about. This week, we've seen two players around the top 20 busted... Instead of talking about front, I for one would be more interested in your opinion about the point in question.

STOP giving me instructions to do something; reading comprehension OWNS you or you are just too lazy; either way I don't give a damn. Front it's talking TOP guys since the beginning; just ask the guy for cry out loud.

getting lost in semantics it's for other people, not me.

I want to know Front's knowledge on the top guys doping; specifically Rafa.

 

[my sherona]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

heavy suspicion whenever "PED" or doping scandal comes our fall on Nadal of the ATP and Serena in the WTA.

 

[britbox]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Quote one of them then for crying out loud, if you've got a beef with front's comments. We're talking about doping in tennis generally.. Last week you indicated there wasn't an issue worth talking about. This week, we've seen two players around the top 20 busted... Instead of talking about front, I for one would be more interested in your opinion about the point in question.

STOP giving me instructions to do something; reading comprehension OWNS you or you are just too lazy; either way I don't give a damn. Front it's talking TOP guys since the beginning; just ask the guy for cry out loud.

getting lost in semantics it's for other people, not me.

I want to know Front's knowledge on the top guys doping; specifically Rafa.

Debate his posts then brother. Quote... respond. Simple. I'll leave you to it.

 

[tented]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

If Federer was doing out-of-competition doping, then I hardly think he'd pick Dubai as a base. Absolute zero tolerance drug laws, possibly the strictest on the planet.

The point of my post is to demonstrate the ridiculousness of pointing fingers without one iota of proof -- hence my use of the GOAT.

While Front may not have mentioned Rafa specifically recently, he has a well-known history of doing so. (Some of this has been lost, but certainly not forgotten by myself and others, with the demise of Tennis Digital.) Reasons to point a finger at Nadal have varied, but some are applicable to all of the top players, including Federer, whose name somehow has never been mentioned.

Do I think Roger is actually doping? No. At least I desperately hope not. And the same goes for all tennis players, regardless of age, gender, ranking, or anything else. Federer, Nadal, Djokovic, Murray, Sharapova, Azarenka, Williams -- the last name doesn't matter. I don't want any of them to be found guilty.

I love tennis. I don't want its reputation to go the way of cycling.

 

[DarthFed]

RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months

Fuentes client list will one day be in the public domain.

How do you figure that? Everything about the case is one big cover up.

The evidence may get destroyed on a judges orders but it only takes Fuentes, his wife or an associate to whistle blow on the whole charade.

Considering Fuentes was let off scotch free I wouldn't expect him or his wife to bite the hands that fed them. Maybe an associate or someone else as you said.

 

[britbox]

RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months

Fuentes client list will one day be in the public domain.

How do you figure that? Everything about the case is one big cover up.

The evidence may get destroyed on a judges orders but it only takes Fuentes, his wife or an associate to whistle blow on the whole charade.

why haven't they?

too much money to be made if the have names that warrant such.........

or too much money to be made by not blowing the whistle. Why would a judge decide that the evidence be destroyed? Have you ever heard anything like it?

 

[ClayDeath]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Some excellent points are being made here.

Lets continue to engage in spirited discussions and debates.


I think it is a little too clear that front is talking about nadal.

In fact a lot of people are talking about nadal in various blogs.

No worries. Front needs to muster up some courage and make list of those he suspects.

It can't be just nadal. Surely he has a few more in mind.

 

[Front242]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Some excellent points are being made here.

Lets continue to engage in spirited discussions and debates.


I think it is a little too clear that front is talking about nadal.

In fact a lot of people are talking about nadal in various blogs.

No worries. Front needs to muster up some courage and make list of those he suspects.

It can't be just nadal. Surely he has a few more in mind.

While I'm not naming any names of unconfirmed players the fact that we've already had 2 doping cases this week alone surely shows there's a problem in tennis. How many players are actively playing both male and female? Of course there are more than a few!

 

[Kieran]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Hey Front,

Have you ever claimed Nadal is on drugs, on this or any previous forum?

 

[Front242]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Hey Front,

Have you ever claimed Nadal is on drugs, on this or any previous forum?

I said once I wouldn't be surprised if the top guys were at one stage as they're so dominant. Look at Lance Armstrong. I didn't single out any one player.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Hey Front,

Have you ever claimed Nadal is on drugs, on this or any previous forum?

I said once I wouldn't be surprised if the top guys were at one stage as they're so dominant. Look at Lance Armstrong. I didn't single out any one player.

Are you sure on this? Even on the old tennis.com forum, you never claimed Nadal was "juicing?"

 

[Front242]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Hey Front,

Have you ever claimed Nadal is on drugs, on this or any previous forum?

I said once I wouldn't be surprised if the top guys were at one stage as they're so dominant. Look at Lance Armstrong. I didn't single out any one player.

Are you sure on this? Even on the old tennis.com forum, you never claimed Nadal was "juicing?"

You seem to know more about it than I do so go do a Sherlock Holmes and search the old forum. I'm busy doing more important stuff here.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

No problem, and by the way, I'm useless at these search functions, and it still took only a single search.

You said it here, and you implicated Novak too. I believe it's not the only time you've openly stated that Rafa "juices."

You knew Britbox was defending you on this and you said nothing to help him...

 

[Front242]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

No problem, and by the way, I'm useless at these search functions, and it still took only a single search.

You said it here, and you implicated Novak too. I believe it's not the only time you've openly stated that Rafa "juices."

You knew Britbox was defending you on this and you said nothing to help him...

That was in direct response to oshoselite, a Nadal fan who was insinuating Djokovic was on something but completely dismissing the possibility of others. He was actually the first there to talk about PEDs. We'll all find out some day anyway fingers crossed.

 

[Riotbeard]

RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months

I would say given the current climate. It would be better for the ITF to be public (and I predict they will). As long as the technology exists, doping is inevitable, but if they have a record of catching people, they can say Tennis isn't like cycling, etc. We are not going to find out years after the fact. At least that would be spin I would go for. Catching people is a good thing, because the temptation is always there. Banning implies that the sport takes the problem seriously, unlike say baseball.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Here ya are again, unprompted by Osho. There's plenty more, I'm sure, for anyone more skilled at the search than I am.

I know for a fact that on Tennisdigital you were even more explicit, but that site is now absent.

HuntingYou and everyone else knows your agenda regarding Nadal, that's your own business, but you let Britbox go to bat for you and you stayed quiet. That wasn't fair...

 

[Front242]

RE: Viktor Troicki banned for 18 months

I would say given the current climate. It would be better for the ITF to be public (and I predict they will). As long as the technology exists, doping is inevitable, but if they have a record of catching people, they can say Tennis isn't like cycling, etc. We are not going to find out years after the fact. At least that would be spin I would go for. Catching people is a good thing, because the temptation is always there. Banning implies that the sport takes the problem seriously, unlike say baseball.

The hope of finding out closer than in say cycling is something I guess but the real problem is the pathetic doping controls in the past. While they may and indeed have to make things stricter going forward, have a guess how many times Viktor Troicki was tested for blood in 8 years? 5 times! That's utterly pathetic. It should be 10 times this amount for every player. So the problem now is even if players are tested more often they've no old samples to check as they didn't even test them properly. All we can hope for is that either some dirt comes out from the Fuentes blood bags, Del Moral or the Biogenesis case in the future. But I won't hold out too much hope for now.

 

[Front242]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

Here ya are again, unprompted by Osho. There's plenty more, I'm sure, for anyone more skilled at the search than I am.

I know for a fact that on Tennisdigital you were even more explicit, but that site is now absent.

HuntingYou and everyone else knows your agenda regarding Nadal, that's your own business, but you let Britbox go to bat for you and you stayed quiet. That wasn't fair...

Well if you think he's innocent you've nothing to get so worked up over do you. Also I didn't ask anyone to go bat for me. I simply haven't been glued to this forum all day and have been only reading certain posts 'cos I'm busy doing stuff.

 

[Kieran]

RE: Biogenesis Scandal - Tennis Players on the books

I doubt that, but also, I'm not getting worked up...