Bet-At-Home Open Hamburg

[Carol]

Fog during the match everytime that he lost a point he called himself "fogna" which means "sewer" in Italian, what a .....:laydownlaughing
Anyway, when a player plays better than his opponent then usually makes to this last one do more unforced errors, isn't ?

 

[Carol]

I haven't seen the Trophy Ceremony so I didn't know that Rafa's leg started cramping during the speech

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[Moxie]

"60 ufes by Fognini"

So henceforth , r u gonna list Federer or Djokovic opponents ufes afterwards of a match:snicker

You're acting like that would be new. Come on, Front almost always says that Rafa's opponent played like a muppet. You can't let it bother you at this late stage.

To both of you, I'm merely pointing out 60 ufes in a 2 set match is a ridiculous amount and it is. Stop being silly. That's more like the error count for a 5 set match and you know it.

OK, I should have used a more clear emoticon, as I was poking fun at you, but you do always like to tell us how badly the opponent played when Rafa whens. :smooch That said, 60 UFEs is bad, which is why I responded to your original sincerely. I was surprised at the high number.

 

[Front242]

You're acting like that would be new. Come on, Front almost always says that Rafa's opponent played like a muppet. You can't let it bother you at this late stage.

To both of you, I'm merely pointing out 60 ufes in a 2 set match is a ridiculous amount and it is. Stop being silly. That's more like the error count for a 5 set match and you know it.

OK, I should have used a more clear emoticon, as I was poking fun at you, but you do always like to tell us how badly the opponent played when Rafa whens. :smooch That said, 60 UFEs is bad, which is why I responded to your original sincerely. I was surprised at the high number.

No prob Nadal played far better than he did in previous matches but he definitely got lucky at times. I mean, it was pretty poor by Fognini to not at least have won a set there with all the break points he had and then serving for set 2. His shot selection is baffling. I've often said Nadal played very well too. Hard to argue with 60 unforced errors though. That can't possibly be all down to your opponent

 

[Carol]

Nadal playing at 70% can beat Fog perfectly well like always he has done before and losing when he plays at 40% like he did the last two times
It seems like with this win he has ruined the Sunday/final Fog aspirations and also some around here....

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fog during the match everytime that he lost a point he called himself "fogna" which means "sewer" in Italian, what a .....:laydownlaughing
Anyway, when a player plays better than his opponent then usually makes to this last one do more unforced errors, isn't ?

If he makes the opponent err, it is called forced error by definition:snicker. :cover

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I did not watch much of this tourney. Talking of racquets can someone tell me as to whether Rafa is using the new racquet (that which he told as giving him "more power and less control") or sticking to the old racquet. Recall that he used the new racquet in Monte-Carlo and/or Barcelona and then after seeing bad results he switched back to his old racquet.

Nobody answered my question and so I am repeating it.

 

[Front242]

Nadal playing at 70% can beat Fog perfectly well like always he has done before and losing when he plays at 40% like he did the last two times
It seems like with this win he has ruined the Sunday/final Fog aspirations and also some around here....

Sorry, don't agree at all. You have to factor in how well the opponent plays too and also try and understand there are two players out there and not just one. Fognini has the blueprint for beating Nadal down to a tee and is playing the same game Djokovic uses against him, it's just that Djokovic is far more consistent. But Fognini can beat Nadal even when he's playing far better than 40% as he was today and yet it was still 2 very close sets and in all honesty should've been a 3 set match only for Fog's errors.

Fognini's backhand is ridiculously good when he's playing well and he hits his forehand extremely fast and hard at times as is evident by the number of times he was off balance today as he hit it so hard and fast and Fog is right up there as one of the best movers on tour. Fognini trying to execute drop shots at the wrong time and hitting too many balls long (or into the net mostly) helped Nadal enormously out there too today.

 

[brokenshoelace]

Nadal playing at 70% can beat Fog perfectly well like always he has done before and losing when he plays at 40% like he did the last two times
It seems like with this win he has ruined the Sunday/final Fog aspirations and also some around here....

Sorry, don't agree at all. You have to factor in how well the opponent plays too and also try and understand there are two players out there and not just one. Fognini has the blueprint for beating Nadal down to a tee and is playing the same game Djokovic uses against him, it's just that Djokovic is far more consistent.

Oh sweet god no.

No. Just no.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

60 UFE in a two set match is ridiculous. To put it in perspective, if they happened consecutively, it is like donating 15 games (whereas you only need to donate 12 games to finish the match). :cover
This win surely does not say much about Nadal.

 

[Fiero425]

60 UFE in a two set match is ridiculous. To put it in perspective, if they happened consecutively, it is like donating 15 games (whereas you only need to donate 12 games to finish the match). :cover
This win surely does not say much about Nadal.

Tell me about it! :cover :nono :angel: :dodgy: :ras: - I didn't see it! Just hope he wasn't jumping around like an idiot afterwards! - It's on now; boy does Rafa look small! Like the outfit though!

 

[Carol]

Fog during the match everytime that he lost a point he called himself "fogna" which means "sewer" in Italian, what a .....:laydownlaughing
Anyway, when a player plays better than his opponent then usually makes to this last one do more unforced errors, isn't ?

If he makes the opponent err, it is called forced error by definition:snicker. :cover

err thanks for the correction, I should said 'forced error'

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Fog during the match everytime that he lost a point he called himself "fogna" which means "sewer" in Italian, what a .....:laydownlaughing
Anyway, when a player plays better than his opponent then usually makes to this last one do more unforced errors, isn't ?

If he makes the opponent err, it is called forced error by definition:snicker. :cover

err thanks for the correction, I should said 'forced error'

OK. Now digest the fact that the figure 60 represents unforced errors by Fog and does not include forced errors. These were just donated points.

 

[Carol]

Nadal playing at 70% can beat Fog perfectly well like always he has done before and losing when he plays at 40% like he did the last two times
It seems like with this win he has ruined the Sunday/final Fog aspirations and also some around here....

Sorry, don't agree at all. You have to factor in how well the opponent plays too and also try and understand there are two players out there and not just one. Fognini has the blueprint for beating Nadal down to a tee and is playing the same game Djokovic uses against him, it's just that Djokovic is far more consistent. But Fognini can beat Nadal even when he's playing far better than 40% as he was today and yet it was still 2 very close sets and in all honesty should've been a 3 set match only for Fog's errors.

Fognini's backhand is ridiculously good when he's playing well and he hits his forehand extremely fast and hard at times as is evident by the number of times he was off balance today as he hit it so hard and fast and Fog is right up there as one of the best movers on tour. Fognini trying to execute drop shots at the wrong time and hitting too many balls long (or into the net mostly) helped Nadal enormously out there too today.

Then explain to me why Nadal has beaten him so many times or are you going to tell me that Fog always has played bad against Nadal (then also against the others ) or maybe we should say that Nadal played AWFUL the last two times he lost against him?
Fog can have the best backhand but to beat to the best ones he needs to have something else "ridiculously good" and then he would have more than '4 titles' or the best ones to play ridiculously bad to lose against him like Rafa did this year :cover uzzled :nono

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Apparently, in the SF Rafa had breathing problems. Does anyone know what is the issue?

"The world No. 10 advanced to the Hamburg final with a 6-1, 6-2 win over Andreas Seppi, a match during which he appeared to experience a breathing problem. Nadal received medical attention at 2-0 in the second set, telling the umpire he was having a problem in his chest, with the trainer then proceeding to work on the rib area."

 

[Front242]

Nadal playing at 70% can beat Fog perfectly well like always he has done before and losing when he plays at 40% like he did the last two times
It seems like with this win he has ruined the Sunday/final Fog aspirations and also some around here....

Sorry, don't agree at all. You have to factor in how well the opponent plays too and also try and understand there are two players out there and not just one. Fognini has the blueprint for beating Nadal down to a tee and is playing the same game Djokovic uses against him, it's just that Djokovic is far more consistent. But Fognini can beat Nadal even when he's playing far better than 40% as he was today and yet it was still 2 very close sets and in all honesty should've been a 3 set match only for Fog's errors.

Fognini's backhand is ridiculously good when he's playing well and he hits his forehand extremely fast and hard at times as is evident by the number of times he was off balance today as he hit it so hard and fast and Fog is right up there as one of the best movers on tour. Fognini trying to execute drop shots at the wrong time and hitting too many balls long (or into the net mostly) helped Nadal enormously out there too today.

Then explain to me why Nadal has beaten him so many times or are you going to tell me that Fog always has played bad against Nadal (then also against the others ) or maybe we should say that Nadal played AWFUL the last two times he lost against him?
Fog can have the best backhand but to beat to the best ones he needs to have something else "ridiculously good" and then he would have more than '4 titles' or the best ones to play ridiculously bad to lose against him like Rafa did this year :cover uzzled :nono

You need to realize head to heads mean very little. Tell that to Djokovic who has a 19-4 record over Wawrinka but you wouldn't think it after watching this year's Roland Garros final. It's about current form and not historic which only tells a small portion of the story. The problem is you thinking Nadal was playing at 40% when he lost and that he beats Fognini no problem otherwise, forgetting to note how well Fognini may have played. Nadal played very well today and yet it really should've been a 3 set match if Fognini hadn't hit so many errors but it was still extremely close so I suggest throwing that 40% and 70% out the window.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Rafa won a total of 113 points in the match and 60 of them were UFEs by Fog. That is more than half (53% to be precise) of Rafa's points were donations.

 

[Moxie]

Apparently, in the SF Rafa had breathing problems. Does anyone know what is the issue?

"The world No. 10 advanced to the Hamburg final with a 6-1, 6-2 win over Andreas Seppi, a match during which he appeared to experience a breathing problem. Nadal received medical attention at 2-0 in the second set, telling the umpire he was having a problem in his chest, with the trainer then proceeding to work on the rib area."

He asked his team for an antispasmotic, so it was some painful muscle spasm in the chest area. I don't think it was "breathing," per se, but muscular. He was better after the tablet.

And I don't know about the racquet, btw. (Wasn't that you asking?)

 

[Front242]

Sounds more like a hernia.

 

[Kieran]

The jury is out on UFE's. I'm not convinced they even exist but I heard there were a few of them in Area 51. Most of the time players miss "easy shots" for a reason. Rafa had a famous backhand UFE against Nole in Oz in 2012. In this case, anybody here believe the "U" part of this acronym? :nono

Good win for Rafa, regardless of how some people are unhappy about it, or trying to detract. Rafa has had a nightmare 12 months, with injuries, and it's been a slow return to something approaching better form, since he's back. People are gloating too much and too stupidly over his bones. Trust me, fellers, those who laugh last will laugh longest in this case...