ATP World Tour Finals

[Moxie]

But the fact is he did break Nadal to extend the 4th set just like Nadal broke Djoker to extend the 2012 AO final. Ultimately those became big time 5 set wars that the loser was ahead in late in the match. In 2011 Djokovic was playing like King Kong, I just think you're being a bigger homer than usual in saying Nadal would've been the favorite there. Each match stands on its own, it would've been different from the 2012-2015 matches.

Some nerve you calling anyone a homer. You're one of the biggest partisans there is, and you LOVE rewriting history. I didn't say that Nadal would necessarily have won it, though I'm fairly sure the bookies would have made him a favorite. I'm saying that you can take it all on board, given what we know in 2018, and realize that it doesn't look as much of a shoe-in as it did in 2011. Why didn't Djokovic beat him in 2012, then? Or '13 or '14? Of course years are different, but if you're going to game a match that was never played, you can see how it's less likely than it looked at the time. If you're honest.

 

[monfed]

Some nerve you calling anyone a homer. You're one of the biggest partisans there is, and you LOVE rewriting history. I didn't say that Nadal would necessarily have won it, though I'm fairly sure the bookies would have made him a favorite. I'm saying that you can take it all on board, given what we know in 2018, and realize that it doesn't look as much of a shoe-in as it did in 2011. Why didn't Djokovic beat him in 2012, then? Or '13 or '14? Of course years are different, but if you're going to game a match that was never played, you can see how it's less likely than it looked at the time. If you're honest.

Sheesh just thank your stars Nadull escaped his fate at the hands of peak fakervic at RG 11. Fed wasn't so fortunate at Wim 08 unfortunately for us. The amount of luck mowgli has had at RG with RG 11 and then RG 13 with faker's net trip is simply ridiculous. And I don't know why that topspin monkey gets so much luck, just for grunting like a bloody pig?
No player in history has been so lucky in any slam. Not even Pete had so much luck on grass when he was as dominant on grass in his era as dull was on clay.

 

[Moxie]

Sheesh just thank your stars Nadull escaped his fate at the hands of peak fakervic at RG 11. Fed wasn't so fortunate at Wim 08 unfortunately for us. The amount of luck mowgli has had at RG with RG 11 and then RG 13 with faker's net trip is simply ridiculous. And I don't know why that topspin monkey gets so much luck, just for grunting like a bloody pig?
No player in history has been so lucky in any slam. Not even Pete had so much luck on grass when he was as dominant on grass in his era as dull was on clay.

You and the "luck" business. And yet you wouldn't cop to Roger's luck in the draw at this WTF, just to turn it back to topic.

 

[Fiero425]

You and the "luck" business. And yet you wouldn't cop to Roger's luck in the draw at this WTF, just to turn it back to topic.

Roger's more than lucky to even make the SF, much less be the winner of the division! As I keep saying, these gutless wonders just bow! It's a wonder Kei was able to hold it together Sunday to finish him off! Neither played that damn well with missed opportunities on both sides of the net! I hope he makes the final just so Nole can teach him another lesson & inflate his numbers when it comes to his rivals!

 

[monfed]

You and the "luck" business. And yet you wouldn't cop to Roger's luck in the draw at this WTF, just to turn it back to topic.

Fed's luck won't lead him to the trophy because he'll play fakervic in the final rather than the SF where faker would've been slightly more vulnerable and Fed would've been fresh with a day's rest. WTF is the only tournament in tennis where luck won't get you much reward because you can't escape beating the most inform player of the year. Ralph found that out the hard way specially in 2013 where he thought he could finally win but faker blocked him unfortunately.

Jokes apart, Nadull would've won a WTF by now if cake draws worked but they don't. Sorry to tell you that mate.

 

[monfed]

Roger's more than lucky to even make the SF, much less be the winner of the division! As I keep saying, these gutless wonders just bow! It's a wonder Kei was able to hold it together Sunday to finish him off! Neither played that damn well with missed opportunities on both sides of the net! I hope he makes the final just so Nole can teach him another lesson & inflate his numbers when it comes to his rivals!

Did you miss the Fed masterclass today, hoss? It was as convincing a grudge match as you'll ever see.

 

[Moxie]

Did you miss the Fed masterclass today, hoss? It was as convincing a grudge match as you'll ever see.

Except maybe for all those breaks he gave back, and the number of times that Anderson was in his service game.

 

[monfed]

Except maybe for all those breaks he gave back, and the number of times that Anderson was in his service game.

That was pathetic from fraud.

 

[Moxie]

That was pathetic from fraud.

The most convincing grudge match you'll ever see is Nadal v. Soderling in Rome, 2009. 6-1, 6-0. And then the one after it at RG, when Soderling got him back.

 

[Moxie]

That was pathetic from fraud.

So which is it: as "master class" or "pathetic?"

 

[monfed]

So which is it: as "master class" or "pathetic?"

I think besides those weird rebreaks, Fed was much in command. He had 18 winners to Kandy's 13 out of which were 10 aces so basically 18 to 3. That's as close to a beatdown you'll get against a tall ballbasher with a big serve.

 

[monfed]

The most convincing grudge match you'll ever see is Nadal v. Soderling in Rome, 2009. 6-1, 6-0. And then the one after it at RG, when Soderling got him back.

Wow I never thought you'll praise Soderling. Hats off for going there.

 

[Chris Koziarz]

On Sunday evening, we were wondering whether Fed would qualify.

Now, Fed has won the group. What a tangled web these people weave.

I have not seen any part of this match as I was at work. Have not seen the highlights yet. Later tonight.

But, my preference was for Fed to play Nole in SF.

That can still happen if somebody takes cough drops before tomorrow evening's match.

Fed knew the result of Kei (pathetic loss) before he started the last match in the group. So, Fed already knew he & Kandy would advance, no matter the result of their match (a theoretical, pathetic 6-1 6-0 to Kandy would have altered that reality but no nobody believed in such result as long as Fed stayed on his legs), the match was just an exhibition rather than competition. Very weird. But at the same time, it removed any pressure from Fed who came to the court thinking maybe about a baby step toward Connors win record but nothing else.
So, the group final standing is precisely as expected despite an early hiccup by Fed. I expect the other group standing to also follow the suit, Fed will play Zverev in SF & Joker in F. Well, there is quite a small but real chance that he will play Kandy again in F, in which case we would have to conclude that the "field" in these ATP finals was as "weak" as in last year. Anyway, purely from Kandy's emotional point of view, he's already learned Fed scalp at wimby, so he's not motivated as much anymore, but he hasn't had a big win against an "in form" Joker yet, including his close loss in wimby 2015. So, he'll be looking for revenge herein this SF. As a Fed fan, I entertain such possibility, even if I draw anger from Joker's fans, e.g. from Fiero.

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

I think Fed's movement has improved. He should be playing really well now.

 

[mrzz]

I am not being able to follow all the conversation, and just managed to watch brief parts of all matches, except yesterday when I could see half of NishikorixThiem and almost full FedererxAnderson. But I have also checked the stats of all matches, and the number of UFE's is huge. You only have a low number of UFE's for players making a very small number of winners. Obviously those two are correlated, but it seems that someone not willing to make mistakes needs to take even less risks than average.

A slower surface (@Moxie, mentioning it is not complaining about it), specially if players were not expecting it, could explain this, but I would guess only in R1. But this kept happening. All bits of matches I saw all players were making more UFE's than usual.

Do you guys agree? And, if yes, why do you think this is happening?

 

[Ricardo]

Some nerve you calling anyone a homer. You're one of the biggest partisans there is, and you LOVE rewriting history. I didn't say that Nadal would necessarily have won it, though I'm fairly sure the bookies would have made him a favorite. I'm saying that you can take it all on board, given what we know in 2018, and realize that it doesn't look as much of a shoe-in as it did in 2011. Why didn't Djokovic beat him in 2012, then? Or '13 or '14? Of course years are different, but if you're going to game a match that was never played, you can see how it's less likely than it looked at the time. If you're honest.

Honestly in 2011 Djoker was playing the best tennis of his life, ever. Nadal wasn’t so sharp, and Novak already beat him pretty good prior so really would have upper hand going into it if they meet in the final.

 

[Ricardo]

Roger's more than lucky to even make the SF, much less be the winner of the division! As I keep saying, these gutless wonders just bow! It's a wonder Kei was able to hold it together Sunday to finish him off! Neither played that damn well with missed opportunities on both sides of the net! I hope he makes the final just so Nole can teach him another lesson & inflate his numbers when it comes to his rivals!

You are total sick fuk. Unless they all smash Fed every match, they are gutless wonders who bow. The only possibility for it to be true would be that Fed is total tool that any pro should beat easy. If that’s the case, why should it matter how Djoker does against a tool? If your rival is a tool, so are you...idiot!

 

[Ricardo]

The most convincing grudge match you'll ever see is Nadal v. Soderling in Rome, 2009. 6-1, 6-0. And then the one after it at RG, when Soderling got him back.

And Soderling picked his butt to show that he wouldn’t lie down against Nadal ever...classic!

 

[Ricardo]

Just for the record, I'd rather be a pussy than a dick any day. Thank you, next.

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But dicks fuck pussies no?

 

[Carol]

And Soderling picked his butt to show that he wouldn’t lie down against Nadal ever...classic!

And later what happened to Soderling? still he has "mono"?