ATP World Tour Finals

[ftan]

WTF? You a saint? Thank god i'm not some emotionless robot. Now get off my back.

Do you talk like that in your real life too, or internet is the special place where you unload your errrmmm emotions

 

[monfed]

Do you talk like that in your real life too, or internet is the special place where you unload your errrmmm emotions

"ermmmm" emotions. Is that the sound you make when you ejaculate? "ermmmm"

Fuckin dork

 

[ftan]

"ermmmm" emotions. Is that the sound you make when you ejaculate? "ermmmm"

Fuckin dork

All I want to say is "Get Well Soon", you need help...and with that you are off to my ignore list

 

[monfed]

All I want to say is "Get Well Soon", you need help...and with that you are off to my ignore list

Yup totally expected from a pussy like you. Most of the passive aggressive nutjobs like you act this way. Good riddance!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

On Sunday evening, we were wondering whether Fed would qualify.

Now, Fed has won the group. What a tangled web these people weave.

I have not seen any part of this match as I was at work. Have not seen the highlights yet. Later tonight.

But, my preference was for Fed to play Nole in SF.

That can still happen if somebody takes cough drops before tomorrow evening's match.

 

[DarthFed]

On Sunday evening, we were wondering whether Fed would qualify.

Now, Fed has won the group. What a tangled web these people weave.

I have not seen any part of this match as I was at work. Have not seen the highlights yet. Later tonight.

But, my preference was for Fed to play Nole in SF.

That can still happen if somebody takes cough drops before tomorrow evening's match.

You figure he has a better chance to ambush Djoker in the semis? That could be the case. I don't think Roger has much of a chance whether it be semis or finals. I'd rather he play someone else in the semis and at least have a much better chance to make the finals.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

You figure he has a better chance to ambush Djoker in the semis? That could be the case. I don't think Roger has much of a chance whether it be semis or finals. I'd rather he play someone else in the semis and at least have a much better chance to make the finals.

If he plays Djoker in SF, Roger will be fresh from a day off and so he has better chances of beating him.

Novak will be more difficult to beat in the finals, plus Roger will be playing for the second consecutive day in that case and the chances that he can bring his A game for two successive days is less.

 

[monfed]

And faker always brings his best tennis for Fed. Disgusting serbian pusher is this fakervic.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Fedfans already worried and making excuses for his upcoming loss against Novak.

 

[DarthFed]

Fedfans already worried and making excuses for his upcoming loss against Novak.

Maybe he could have pussied out like that one guy who has always been irrelevant at YEC

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Maybe he could have pussied out like that one guy who has always been irrelevant at YEC

He’s having a surgery you genius.

 

[Moxie]

^Again, you keep sliding around which period of time you're talking about, and now adding this new bit about me not wanting to talk history? We can talk about tennis history if you want, but that wasn't what we started with. This started with your assertion that "Rafa is miles better than peak Novak," which I defined as 2011 to the present. I have no issue with talking about Novak before 2011, but then we're not talking about peak Novak, and then I would agree that Rafa has been, overall, miles better.

Let me ask you; do you disagree with either of these statements?

1) Rafa is historically miles better on clay than any player, including Novak's overall career (which you keep sliding towards, presumably because it justifies your usage of "miles better")
2) Current Rafa is not miles better on clay than peak Novak (this is what I thought we were talking about)

I know you agree with 1, but 2?

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I thought I owed a response to this. In any case, it's just monfed spewing bile, atm, anyway.

"Miles better" is a subjective comment, as I said. As is "peak," which you brought in. My assertion was that Rafa was miles better than Novak at RG. You asked "peak?", yes, but I didn't say what you put in quotes above. There is a difference. Please don't quote what I didn't say. Darth does that all the time. As to your question about your number 2: results-wise, he is. H2H Novak has proven he can play Rafa closer than anyone at RG, but he's also shown that he comes up the more timid when they meet there. As you said, going forward, we don't know, but there is reason to believe that if Rafa plays his best, no matter how well Novak plays, Rafa beats him at RG, and I don't think it's that close.

Rafa is still miles better than Novak at RG overall. Even since 2011 it is 6-1 in RG trophies which says it all.

But head to head I don't think he is miles better at this point or after 2011 in general. It is 3-1 there and could have easily been 2-2 and Rafa was very likely to lose in 2016 and probably 2011 had they met. Djoker is 10 times more likely to lose to someone before the final than Rafa is there.

I appreciate this post, @Darth. I agree that Djokovic was likely to have won had they played in '16. However, with hindsight, 7 years on, I don't think you can say that Djokovic would "very likely" have won, had they played in '11. Firstly, Djokovic DID lose to Roger in the SF, and ended his streak. (Streaks are weird things.) Secondly, while Djoker was on a win streak against Nadal in finals, it was only 4 in, and 2 on clay. Court Phillipe Chartrier and Rafa on it is a different animal. It's big, and gives him lots of room to maneuver. This is one of the reasons that he's won there so many times. Plus, 5 sets. Given how Novak played against him in 2012, and later, I don't think you can say it is likely that Novak would have beaten him in 2011. Based on all we know now, the percentage chance is that Rafa would have won, anyway.

 

[DarthFed]

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I thought I owed a response to this. In any case, it's just monfed spewing bile, atm, anyway.

"Miles better" is a subjective comment, as I said. As is "peak," which you brought in. My assertion was that Rafa was miles better than Novak at RG. You asked "peak?", yes, but I didn't say what you put in quotes above. There is a difference. Please don't quote what I didn't say. Darth does that all the time. As to your question about your number 2: results-wise, he is. H2H Novak has proven he can play Rafa closer than anyone at RG, but he's also shown that he comes up the more timid when they meet there. As you said, going forward, we don't know, but there is reason to believe that if Rafa plays his best, no matter how well Novak plays, Rafa beats him at RG, and I don't think it's that close.


I appreciate this post, @Darth. I agree that Djokovic was likely to have won had they played in '16. However, with hindsight, 7 years on, I don't think you can say that Djokovic would "very likely" have won, had they played in '11. Firstly, Djokovic DID lose to Roger in the SF, and ended his streak. (Streaks are weird things.) Secondly, while Djoker was on a win streak against Nadal in finals, it was only 4 in, and 2 on clay. Court Phillipe Chartrier and Rafa on it is a different animal. It's big, and gives him lots of room to maneuver. This is one of the reasons that he's won there so many times. Plus, 5 sets. Given how Novak played against him in 2012, and later, I don't think you can say it is likely that Novak would have beaten him in 2011. Based on all we know now, the percentage chance is that Rafa would have won, anyway.

We've been down that 2011 rabbit hole many times. All I will say is you're badly underestimating how much Djokovic was in his head already. And also the difference between Djokovic's level at that point compared to prior years. Nadal won a couple easy matches over Nole on clay in 2012 before RG. In 2013 Djokovic beat him in Monte Carlo and then that match ended up possibly coming down to Djokovic hitting the net. And that wasn't comparable to 2011 when Djokovic had beaten him 4 straight and twice badly on clay. Add it up and I'm sure Rafa was popping champagne bottles after Roger took out Djoker in that semifinal. He knew the final would be a gimme.

 

[Moxie]

We've been down that 2011 rabbit hole many times. All I will say is you're badly underestimating how much Djokovic was in his head already. And also the difference between Djokovic's level at that point compared to prior years. Nadal won a couple easy matches over Nole on clay in 2012 before RG. In 2013 Djokovic beat him in Monte Carlo and then that match ended up possibly coming down to Djokovic hitting the net. And that wasn't comparable to 2011 when Djokovic had beaten him 4 straight and twice badly on clay. Add it up and I'm sure Rafa was popping champagne bottles after Roger took out Djoker in that semifinal. He knew the final would be a gimme.

I think that it is worth revisiting. I'm not underestimating how much Novak was in his head, and in his game. What I'm telling you is to look forward to the results. There is no guarantee that Novak was going to win that '11 final, had he made it to it. It would have been his first final at RG, and he demonstrated real nerves the next year, when he did get there. He barely played well before it rained, which gave him a benefit. My point is, looking with hindsight, it's harder to imagine than it was at the time that Novak would have won that match. Also, you overestimate what the 2013 SF came down to. Rafa served for that match in the 4th. And Novak lost the 3rd at 1-6. He got tired and discouraged, in the end. He had a chance to win it, but didn't. Which has a lot to do with Rafa knowing how to play on that court, and it suiting his game. That's why I'm saying that it's rather more likely that Rafa would have beaten Djokovic had that played the '11 final. Oh, if only...because a lot of things might have ended differently after that.

 

[monfed]

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I thought I owed a response to this. In any case, it's just monfed spewing bile, atm, anyway.

Aww how cute you want dull to be relevant using my name as an excuse to hijack this thread. Atleast my comments were about the match but you keep talking trash, nobody cares about Nadull now anyway.

 

[ftan]

Yup totally expected from a pussy like you. Most of the passive aggressive nutjobs like you act this way. Good riddance!

Just for the record, I'd rather be a pussy than a dick any day. Thank you, next.

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[monfed]

Just for the record, I'd rather be a pussy than a dick any day. Thank you, next.

LOL y so arrogant bro? You should be celebrating Fed's victory. Come here give your daddy a hug!

 

[Moxie]

Aww how cute you want dull to be relevant using my name as an excuse to hijack this thread. Atleast my comments were about the match but you keep talking trash, nobody cares about Nadull now anyway.

Interesting how much everyone still wants to talk about Nadal anyway. Your comments were about the match in the sense that you spill horrible garbage while talking about it. You think that no one cares about Nadal? No one cares about your bilge water. I really don't care how profanely you pronounce your fandom, but swearing at other posters is really ugly. It doesn't make you a lot of friends.

 

[DarthFed]

I think that it is worth revisiting. I'm not underestimating how much Novak was in his head, and in his game. What I'm telling you is to look forward to the results. There is no guarantee that Novak was going to win that '11 final, had he made it to it. It would have been his first final at RG, and he demonstrated real nerves the next year, when he did get there. He barely played well before it rained, which gave him a benefit. My point is, looking with hindsight, it's harder to imagine than it was at the time that Novak would have won that match. Also, you overestimate what the 2013 SF came down to. Rafa served for that match in the 4th. And Novak lost the 3rd at 1-6. He got tired and discouraged, in the end. He had a chance to win it, but didn't. Which has a lot to do with Rafa knowing how to play on that court, and it suiting his game. That's why I'm saying that it's rather more likely that Rafa would have beaten Djokovic had that played the '11 final. Oh, if only...because a lot of things might have ended differently after that.

But the fact is he did break Nadal to extend the 4th set just like Nadal broke Djoker to extend the 2012 AO final. Ultimately those became big time 5 set wars that the loser was ahead in late in the match. In 2011 Djokovic was playing like King Kong, I just think you're being a bigger homer than usual in saying Nadal would've been the favorite there. Each match stands on its own, it would've been different from the 2012-2015 matches.

 

[Fiero425]

But the fact is he did break Nadal to extend the 4th set just like Nadal broke Djoker to extend the 2012 AO final. Ultimately those became big time 5 set wars that the loser was ahead in late in the match. In 2011 Djokovic was playing like King Kong, I just think you're being a bigger homer than usual in saying Nadal would've been the favorite there. Each match stands on its own, it would've been different from the 2012-2015 matches.

We're so fortunate to have had Nole come into his own in 2011 to keep Nadal from owning 2 straight seasons after having a great 2010! One person saved us from him winning 7 tournaments; including 2 clay Masters and 3 Majors, bleeding into 2012 "down under!" Nadal's never come that close to holding onto the #1 ranking for more than a few weeks/months and is woefully behind Roger & Nole in that category! :whistle: