ATP Injury/ fitness thread

[Andy22]

I would be very worried if I was you.
Nadal's body seems to fall apart, in the last 4 months he has played only a handful of matches and he got injured 3 times. At this rate, he willl be a part time player.

Worried hah its not even as bad as, A0 Nadal ,said. He's body retracts well on clay.

 

[Andy22]

It's also one of the reasons he won Wimbledon so I think he'll take you calling him chicken with a pinch of salt. For the record, there are rumours Nadal may skip grass season this year so I hope you'll call him a chicken too if it happens.

Ha

It's also one of the reasons he won Wimbledon so I think he'll take you calling him chicken with a pinch of salt. For the record, there are rumours Nadal may skip grass season this year so I hope you'll call him a chicken too if it happens.

You have complete made up the part about nadal skipping the grass season out of noting.no facts, no noting. Just your wild dreams.

 

[Front242]

Ha

You have complete made up the part about nadal skipping the grass season out of noting.no facts, no noting. Just your wild dreams.

No dreams necessary 'cos healthy or not he's not winning Wimbledon...

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/897409/Rafael-Nadal-miss-Wimbledon-copy-Roger-Federer

 

[DarthFed]

Related to Busted's post about Nadal golfing, I did want to post about how much some people blame Nadal for his injuries. This has been a trope for much of his career, and not just on forums. Sports writers have been looking for his style of play to shorten his career at least since 2009. Darth and others were poo-pooing that there's any bad luck involved, and Darth was trying to make some argument that Roger was actually more unlucky because his style is so efficient. However, they are professional athletes, and injuries are a part of what they do. Take the example of Richard Gasquet. His style is considered pretty efficient, much more on the Federer model, and yet he has had a lot of injuries in his career. Tsonga has likewise had a lot of injuries in his career, and I don't see anyone blaming him. Monfils catches a bit, but then people move on, because they don't care. But what about Ferrer? He plays a similar style to Nadal but has much less injury lay-off. Point being: Nadal trains hard to avoid injury. Yes, he plays hard, too. But he is a responsible professional athlete, and I don't think that he can be blamed for all of his injuries. Likewise, I do think Roger has been fairly blessed with good health. Even when he had mono, he had a mild form. Not the career-ending kind like Ancic or Soderling. I don't think it's a 1:1 as to how you play and how it effects how often you get injured, and it is my pet peeve that Fed fans spend so much time blaming Rafa for his.

Some people truly are blessed to avoid injuries. Not that I follow Ferrer that closely but he seems to have avoided serious injuries over the years despite a brutal schedule full of his grinding tennis. And yes Jo-Willie has had plenty of injuries too despite not playing anywhere near as many tournaments and playing more aggressive, first-strike tennis.

But those are just examples out of a large pool of players. Bottom line is you aren't going to convince anyone aside from maybe Nadalgoat that style of play has nothing to do with injuries. We see it in other sports as well. Nadal is no more unlucky than Federer in terms of injuries relatively speaking. If he's been injured twice, even theee times as often as Roger...that is to be expected.

 

[Horsa]

Andy Murray being back for the F0 would be awesome.

It definitely would.

 

[Front242]

^ If Murray has any sense he won't return on a grueling surface guaranteed to flare up hip problems again. Safest thing is to return on a surface where he can win quick points with decent serving. Stick to Queens and Wimbledon for his return if he doesn't want to bust himself up again imo.

 

[Horsa]

I definitely agree with you. At the end of the day it's Andy's decision to make. He knows how he feels & what he feels capable of doing. No one can make his decision for him. We can feel for him if he does something which we think isn't making the wisest choice but that's all we can do. Another British win at Wimbledon would be lovely though as we don't have many. I'm being optimistic here though not realistic.

^ If Murray has any sense he won't return on a grueling surface guaranteed to flare up hip problems again. Safest thing is to return on a surface where he can win quick points with decent serving. Stick to Queens and Wimbledon for his return if he doesn't want to bust himself up again imo.

 

[Moxie]

Some people truly are blessed to avoid injuries. Not that I follow Ferrer that closely but he seems to have avoided serious injuries over the years despite a brutal schedule full of his grinding tennis. And yes Jo-Willie has had plenty of injuries too despite not playing anywhere near as many tournaments and playing more aggressive, first-strike tennis.

But those are just examples out of a large pool of players. Bottom line is you aren't going to convince anyone aside from maybe Nadalgoat that style of play has nothing to do with injuries. We see it in other sports as well. Nadal is no more unlucky than Federer in terms of injuries relatively speaking. If he's been injured twice, even theee times as often as Roger...that is to be expected.

I think you are actually agreeing with me. Style of play doesn't proscribe injury. And what other sports would you say that style of play = injuries?

 

[Andy22]

No dreams necessary 'cos healthy or not he's not winning Wimbledon...

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/tennis/897409/Rafael-Nadal-miss-Wimbledon-copy-Roger-Federer

I agree nadal won't win wimbledon but think he could at least make the final?

 

[Federberg]

I agree nadal won't win wimbledon but think he could at least make the final?

when was the last time he made a quarter final?

 

[DarthFed]

I think you are actually agreeing with me. Style of play doesn't proscribe injury. And what other sports would you say that style of play = injuries?

No, we are not agreeing. Style of play doesn't guarantee injury but it can of course be a factor. Just because one grinder (Ferrer) has been healthy and one big server/hitter (Taonga) hasn't doesn't mean injuries are all a matter of luck.

As for other sports, football and basketball come to mind. In football the QB's that run a lot and try to extend plays in the pocket are much more vulnerable than pure pocket passers. In basketball someone who takes it inside and gets met and fouled by some giants is usually going to be more frequently injured than guys who only shoot 3-pointers.

 

[isabelle]

Goffin out of IW.....

 

[Andy22]

when was the last time he made a quarter final?

2011 it was only 6 years ago

 

[Federberg]

2011 it was only 6 years ago

Then I would focus on his getting to a quarter final first no? Walk before you run..

 

[Andy22]

Like I said worst India wells, Miami events in last 20, Missing top tennis stars, the awesome Rafael nadal, djokovic Murray, Wawrinka goffin Tsonga. Good luck see you all next year.

 

[Andy22]

Then I would focus on his getting to a quarter final first no? Walk before you run..

This year is not like others years, nadal will play well this Wimbledon.

 

[Federberg]

On what basis is this year different? Unless you have a factual basis for that sort of statement you just come across as trolling. Why bother? Let Rafa do what he does, and live with it. You can't wish him to be better than he is

 

[Andy22]

On what basis is this year different? Unless you have a factual basis for that sort of statement you just come across as trolling. Why bother? Let Rafa do what he does, and live with it. You can't wish him to be better than he is

Not wishing nadal to be better on gras at all, just think he's going to do better but I guess we will see.

 

[Moxie]

No, we are not agreeing. Style of play doesn't guarantee injury but it can of course be a factor. Just because one grinder (Ferrer) has been healthy and one big server/hitter (Taonga) hasn't doesn't mean injuries are all a matter of luck.

As for other sports, football and basketball come to mind. In football the QB's that run a lot and try to extend plays in the pocket are much more vulnerable than pure pocket passers. In basketball someone who takes it inside and gets met and fouled by some giants is usually going to be more frequently injured than guys who only shoot 3-pointers.

I didn't say that style of play has nothing to do with it. My complaint is that folks feel so free to blame Nadal for his, yes, rather bad luck. And to praise Roger for his playing style which has kept him pretty injury-free, even though it's also a function of some pretty good luck/good genes, etc. I don't mind discussing injuries, but I do object to imbuing them with fault, as if they were some moral failing. I think that's just another way for Fedfans to slag off Nadal and praise Roger. Someone even recently commented about Nadal, Djokovic and Murray running around so much, so of course they get injured. But Djokovic's injuries, iirc, have been all shoulder/wrist/elbow. That's just lazy thinking. Even Nadal and Murray have had wrist and elbow injuries, respectively. I don't know if you can attribute that to playing style, or account for why Roger, with a one-hander, hasn't suffered elbow/wrist/shoulder problems. I can keep citing other examples but Dimitrov, who does play in the Fed style, has had shoulder, knee, ankle and other injuries. Is it that hard to say Roger's been blessed with his good health? Are you afraid that takes something away? I don't.

I don't follow basketball enough to know if you're telling me something that's true about players that get injured in it, or if you just think it should be. Maybe examples would help.

 

[DarthFed]

I didn't say that style of play has nothing to do with it. My complaint is that folks feel so free to blame Nadal for his, yes, rather bad luck. And to praise Roger for his playing style which has kept him pretty injury-free, even though it's also a function of some pretty good luck/good genes, etc. I don't mind discussing injuries, but I do object to imbuing them with fault, as if they were some moral failing. I think that's just another way for Fedfans to slag off Nadal and praise Roger. Someone even recently commented about Nadal, Djokovic and Murray running around so much, so of course they get injured. But Djokovic's injuries, iirc, have been all shoulder/wrist/elbow. That's just lazy thinking. Even Nadal and Murray have had wrist and elbow injuries, respectively. I don't know if you can attribute that to playing style, or account for why Roger, with a one-hander, hasn't suffered elbow/wrist/shoulder problems. I can keep citing other examples but Dimitrov, who does play in the Fed style, has had shoulder, knee, ankle and other injuries. Is it that hard to say Roger's been blessed with his good health? Are you afraid that takes something away? I don't.

I don't follow basketball enough to know if you're telling me something that's true about players that get injured in it, or if you just think it should be. Maybe examples would help.

Gee I wonder what's wrong with claiming Federer has been lucky and Nadal has been unlucky...

Fact of the matter is Roger has also had his fair share of injuries. It comes off as sour grapes to imply he should be injured as much as Nadal has. Kind of similar to a smoker complaining they are unlucky to get lung cancer while a non-smoker is lucky...Rafa's game leaves him a lot more vulnerable.