Argentina Open ATP 250

[tented]

Tented, it seems the original data of 46 that ATP had is wrong and they have corrected themselves.
Here are the three missing titles. Torornto 74, Toronto 76, and Virginia Beach 77.

ATP thought these were on hard. But, they were apparently on clay in the said yeares and
even though those tourneys changed the surface to hard later.

This is a mess.

OK, if you add the three they have entered incorrectly, to the 47 they have listed as being on clay, you get 50, not 49.

If you look at his Wikipedia page, they have him down for 49 clay titles, but they subtracted the 1981 Monte Carlo, because the match wasn't finished. (See the asterisk (literally) in the "Singles Runners-Up" subsection.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillermo_Vilas#Career_Singles_finals

So, I guess prior to the correction for the three finals which were actually on clay, but originally listed as being on hards, people went with 46: 47 finals, minus the 1 which wasn't finished.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I think Miami courts suit Rafa better than IW courts.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I think Miami courts suit Rafa better than IW courts.

On a court he hasn't been able to win on,though he has been to the final...still no cigar

 

[GameSetAndMath]

So, what happened in the unfinished finals? I have never heard of such a thing. Even if weather
was bad, they could have come and played the next day.

If one of the players retired or is barred due to code violations, then the other player is considered to have won the match independent of whether the match is finished or not.

 

[tented]

So, what happened in the unfinished finals? I have never heard of such a thing. Even if weather
was bad, they could have come and played the next day.

If one of the players retired or is barred due to code violations, then the other player is considered to have won the match independent of whether the match is finished or not.

The note simply says it was unfinished due to bad weather, and obviously they never came back to finish it.

But it gets weirder ...

If you look at the score:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Vi/G/Guillermo-Vilas.aspx?t=pa&y=1981&m=s&e=410#

It's listed as having stopped at 5-5 in the first set, yet they declared Vilas the winner over Connors? WTF?!

 

[brokenshoelace]

I think Miami courts suit Rafa better than IW courts.

Pretty similar courts but history suggests he's much done better at Indian Wells.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

So, what happened in the unfinished finals? I have never heard of such a thing. Even if weather
was bad, they could have come and played the next day.

If one of the players retired or is barred due to code violations, then the other player is considered to have won the match independent of whether the match is finished or not.

The note simply says it was unfinished due to bad weather, and obviously they never came back to finish it.

But it gets weirder ...

If you look at the score:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Vi/G/Guillermo-Vilas.aspx?t=pa&y=1981&m=s&e=410#

It's listed as having stopped at 5-5 in the first set, yet they declared Vilas the winner over Connors? WTF?!

ON what basis did they declare? Based on points won? :nono

If they were not able to finish the match for some reason, they should have been declared co-winners of the match (or co-runner ups of the match). The former should be the case if players were willing to
continue and the establishment abandoned it. The later should be the case if both players decided
not to continue and the establishment wanted to continue. That would affect the count as to
whether it is 50 (or 49).

 

[tented]

So, what happened in the unfinished finals? I have never heard of such a thing. Even if weather
was bad, they could have come and played the next day.

If one of the players retired or is barred due to code violations, then the other player is considered to have won the match independent of whether the match is finished or not.

The note simply says it was unfinished due to bad weather, and obviously they never came back to finish it.

But it gets weirder ...

If you look at the score:

http://www.atpworldtour.com/Tennis/Players/Vi/G/Guillermo-Vilas.aspx?t=pa&y=1981&m=s&e=410#

It's listed as having stopped at 5-5 in the first set, yet they declared Vilas the winner over Connors? WTF?!

ON what basis did they declare? Based on points won? :nono

If they were not able to finish the match for some reason, they should have been declared co-winners of the match (or co-runner ups of the match). That would affect the count as to
whether it is 50 (or 49).

It must have been total points won, or perhaps Vilas was leading in the final game.

No matter what, I agree they should have either declared them co-winners or co-runners up.

As for Rafa, in order to be absolutely certain he has surpassed Vilas, he'll need to get 51 clay-court titles.

 

[Billie]

Congratulations to Rafa and his fans!!! I was right, he was doing better at each tournament he played and he ended up winning this one. I am sure he will be very ready by the time RG comes.

 

[mrzz]

Looking for "monte carlo tennis 1981 final" (without the quotes) on google gives you a lot of (somewhat contradictory) information. In one place, a forum poster says the ATP site (on a given date) had the information of both players declared runner-ups. All information leads to the conclusion that Vilas was NOT declared champion. Surely Fiero will come up and give details soon...

 

[Billie]

:laydownlaughing

So they can't say who won a match that was played. :snicker I don't trust their records anyway.:lolz:

 

[auto-pilot]

It will be interesting to see who wins more titles between Federer and Nadal.
19 titles between them (84 to 65), but Nadal won 10 titles in 2013, so that gap could be erased within the next couple of years.

 

[Kirijax]

So Federer is ten behind Lendl, Nadal is tied with Borg and Sampras, and Djokovic is one away from 50 and tied with Becker. Interesting stuff!

Made a Most ATP Tournament Titles quiz if anyone wants to give it a shot. 20 titles or more.

Quiz

 

[GameSetAndMath]

So Federer is ten behind Lendl, Nadal is tied with Borg and Sampras, and Djokovic is one away from 50 and tied with Becker. Interesting stuff!

Made a Most ATP Tournament Titles quiz if anyone wants to give it a shot. 20 titles or more.

Quiz

Rafa is not tied anymore, he just broke away from Sampras and Borg today.

 

[Kirijax]

So Federer is ten behind Lendl, Nadal is tied with Borg and Sampras, and Djokovic is one away from 50 and tied with Becker. Interesting stuff!

Made a Most ATP Tournament Titles quiz if anyone wants to give it a shot. 20 titles or more.

Quiz

Rafa is not tied anymore, he just broke away from Sampras and Borg today.

Ah, I wondered if that was the case. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[rafanoy1992]

I just realized this awhile ago: Nadal beat four consecutive Argentines to win the Argentina Open.

I think this feat has never happened before especially on route on winning a title.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I just realized this awhile ago: Nadal beat four consecutive Argentines to win the Argentina Open.

I think this feat has never happened before especially on route on winning a title.

After today's mix up with the ATP I am not going to re-check that fact I can assure you....

BTW I have also found the WTA have been wrong with stats etc.

 

[Carol]

Rafa has won twice IW and I wouldn't mind if he would win the third one but if I would have to chose I'd rather he would win Miami, it would be :woohoos

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Rafa has won twice IW and I wouldn't mind if he would win the third one but if I would have to chose I'd rather he would win Miami, it would be :woohoos

That is one Master Series title that is missing from his cabinet of wins.....never say never.....

 

[Carol]

Rafa has won twice IW and I wouldn't mind if he would win the third one but if I would have to chose I'd rather he would win Miami, it would be :woohoos

That is one Master Series title that is missing from his cabinet of wins.....never say never.....

Yep, and I'm sure that he probably would choose Miami too