Abierto Mexicano TelCel, Acapulco, Mexico, ATP 500

[Ricardo]

Not all. @mrzz really knows his tennis, and he's not easily swayed by emotion. He flat doesn't think Nick is as talented as people say.

2 Championship points for NK.

Federer, Nadal and Mac all rate his talent super high, even though Rafa absolutely loath his attitude, and they know Nick pretty well too. I’d say mrzz knows nothing about Nick in comparison.....he just thinks he does. You know who to believe, I think.

 

[Ricardo]

It does matter a little because N.kyrgios is momentum player, so he need to keep it going even if he does not win Indian wells.

Nick is unique, he needs to be inspired by who knows what then you will see some of the most amazing tennis. Wheelchair fans might still talk trash about him, over rated, not that talented etc, it’s just bullshit they simply don’t know jack about him. When Nadal, Federer and Mac all complimented his ability like crazy, there has got to be something special...we are talking people with total 44 slams all coming to the same conclusion here.

 

[Ricardo]

Mrzz knows ten times more about tennis than I'll ever know, but I disagree with this (if that is truly his take). Kyrgios has proven, time and time again, to be able to hang with the very best -- moreso than any active player, with the possible exception of del Potro, or at least the pre-Frankenpotro version. Zverev is more consistent, but I don't think is as explosive or dangerous; Tsitsipas has a more well-rounded game and may surpass even Kyrgios's best, but Kyrgios at his best is simply ferocious.

It is highly unlikely that Kyrgios will every actualize his talent. We can look at Zverev and Tsitsipas and feel confident that they'll both win multiple Slams and reach #1 at some point, but Kyrgios still has such a wide range of outcomes: He could end up dominating for a few years and winning Slams, or he could never reach the top 10 or win a big title. Chances are it is somewhere in-between.

Tsitsipas has nothing on Nick at his best, not even close...what are you even smoking? No version of Tsitsipas can ever do what Nick has done against Fedalovic, he simply isn’t in that league. Nick at his best is too good and packs too much fire power for the Greek, whose biggest asset is his mental fortitude.

Nicks problem is finding inspiration, when he is required to go through average players in early rounds he simply doesn’t show up. Some say he is a fluke, hmmmm when you fluke 6 wins and are even overall with 3 of the greatest players ever, either they are all nothing special or you must be special.

 

[Federberg]

I've always disagreed with @mrzz's stance on Nick, but I think I can understand why he feels that way. When you watch Nick he's a bit frustrating because his ground strokes don't seem to have much on them. But it's deceptively difficult to get the ball past him. He seems to junk the ball a bit, but when you watch closely you realise he hits the ball deep and he gets it into uncomfortable places. I think his problem tends to be that against Fedalovic those guys are going for the kill. Most other guys just try to junk him back. It might be boredom or lack of inspiration but he ends up seeming to lose interest against a lot of other guys. It's no surprise to me that we see his best against the likes of Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, Zverev and Wawrinka. These are guys who are going to bring it and try to dominate. Who does he really suck against where the top guys are concerned? Murray. A guy who can junk with the best of them. Something for him to work on it seems. I haven't bothered looking (and I will go and have a look now ) but it wouldn't shock me if he has problems with someone like Monfils. I'll post this now and probably have to retract later!

 

[Federberg]

just checked. 1 - 1 in the h2h... phew!

 

[Ricardo]

I've always disagreed with @mrzz's stance on Nick, but I think I can understand why he feels that way. When you watch Nick he's a bit frustrating because his ground strokes don't seem to have much on them. But it's deceptively difficult to get the ball past him. He seems to junk the ball a bit, but when you watch closely you realise he hits the ball deep and he gets it into uncomfortable places. I think his problem tends to be that against Fedalovic those guys are going for the kill. Most other guys just try to junk him back. It might be boredom or lack of inspiration but he ends up seeming to lose interest against a lot of other guys. It's no surprise to me that we see his best against the likes of Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, Zverev and Wawrinka. These are guys who are going to bring it and try to dominate. Who does he really suck against where the top guys are concerned? Murray. A guy who can junk with the best of them. Something for him to work on it seems. I haven't bothered looking (and I will go and have a look now ) but it wouldn't shock me if he has problems with someone like Monfils. I'll post this now and probably have to retract later!

This is just wrong, but I agree mrzz totally doesn’t know about his capabilities. Nick loses a lot to average players, junk balls or not. When his motivation is low, he will play below par regardless of what style of game the opponents bring.

 

[Federberg]

This is just wrong, but I agree mrzz totally doesn’t know about his capabilities. Nick loses a lot to average players, junk balls or not. When his motivation is low, he will play below par regardless of what style of game the opponents bring.

lol! Why am I surprised?

 

[mrzz]

I have posted in other threads what I think about Kyrgios and won't repeat here. One place is this.

Given that he is young and his game is evolving, with time assessments might need to change. His ground strokes are better today than two years ago.

I really think this motivation talk is almost complete garbage, his results against the big three are first consequence of the fact that most people chose to ignore that he is a big server, and also of the peculiar points in time where he faced them. Not to mention the obvious, glaring fact that due to age alone most young players have a better H2H against the big guys than the rest of the field. Up to this week Borna Coric was 4-4 against Fedal, nobody kept repeating that every day.

Kyrgios game plan is to grind. Grinders put the ball deep. It is a percentage shot every time and you simple don't plan or aim each shot. But he is smart, goes for the unconventional now and then, has basically zero fear of missing and that constitutes an effective combo. Obviously he is a good player -- as everyone that breaks in the top 20 is. He will win tournaments. That was a quality win, for sure, congratulations to him. But still, big server winning on a fast court in a lot of tie-breaks.

The only "correction" I can commit too -- one I did quite a while ago but will repeat here one more time -- is that at first I simply said he was "untalented" and later corrected to something like "with specific (and peculiar) talents", as my gut reaction to the word "talent" is to think about ability/technique. When I think of "talent", I think of guys like Fognini or Checinatto. But, ok, that is a narrow definition of talent, and I gave up that point long ago.

 

[Carol]

I have to say Kyrgios has had a brilliant week, his "acting injured performance" and his serve and drop shots were working really well. Now we have to wait next tournament how the things will go with him

 

[herios]

I am in @mrzz camp as far as opinion on Kyrgios. This win does not change it much.
Most likely the motivation was his ranking, which was getting worse by every week.
He fell as low as #72 before this week, so he needed to start to get back on track at some point.
Now he is back to #31, so it is more closer to what his average used to be.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

I've always disagreed with @mrzz's stance on Nick, but I think I can understand why he feels that way. When you watch Nick he's a bit frustrating because his ground strokes don't seem to have much on them. But it's deceptively difficult to get the ball past him. He seems to junk the ball a bit, but when you watch closely you realise he hits the ball deep and he gets it into uncomfortable places. I think his problem tends to be that against Fedalovic those guys are going for the kill. Most other guys just try to junk him back. It might be boredom or lack of inspiration but he ends up seeming to lose interest against a lot of other guys. It's no surprise to me that we see his best against the likes of Federer, Djokovic, Nadal, Zverev and Wawrinka. These are guys who are going to bring it and try to dominate. Who does he really suck against where the top guys are concerned? Murray. A guy who can junk with the best of them. Something for him to work on it seems. I haven't bothered looking (and I will go and have a look now ) but it wouldn't shock me if he has problems with someone like Monfils. I'll post this now and probably have to retract later!

Against Gasquet 2-7 iirc one of the win being the 9 MP saving effort at Wimbledon

 

[El Dude]

Tsitsipas has nothing on Nick at his best, not even close...what are you even smoking? No version of Tsitsipas can ever do what Nick has done against Fedalovic, he simply isn’t in that league. Nick at his best is too good and packs too much fire power for the Greek, whose biggest asset is his mental fortitude.

Nicks problem is finding inspiration, when he is required to go through average players in early rounds he simply doesn’t show up. Some say he is a fluke, hmmmm when you fluke 6 wins and are even overall with 3 of the greatest players ever, either they are all nothing special or you must be special.

Yes, agreed. But please read the nuance of what I said, Ricardo. "Tsitsipas has a more well-rounded game and may surpass even Kyrgios's best, but Kyrgios at his best is simply ferocious."

I do think that Tsitsipas is more well-rounded, but the key is may surpass... meaning, he's not there yet but could eventually be. Imagine what we've seen from Tsitsipas so far with a couple more years of seasoning and development. He could be great.

But yeah, I agree that right now, Kyrgios at his best is better, thus "simply ferocious." And I have pointed out in this very thread just what you said: that he is 6-6 vs Roger, Rafa, and Novak, which is incredible.

 

[Carol]

Is this guy the most suitable to make this kind of comment? i don't think so

 

[Moxie]

Is this guy the most suitable to make this kind of comment? i don't think so

Mouratoglou more than most of us? I'd say yes.

 

[Carol]

Mouratoglou more than most of us? I'd say yes.

Really? why, because he agreed with the ugly show that his 'queen' made in the USO? yep, I think this sport needs a change, the players must to do more shows, when the match become difficult then it's time with the fake injuries, calling the trainer several times because the knees, the back, the stomach, fever, walking slowly, breaking the rackets, yelling to the crowd and the Chair Umpire and more, it will be definitely more fun B-). And in the next tournament when Kyrgios goes out in the first o second round then it will be because he doesn't have any interest playing tennis and he doesn't practice and work too hard either. He has said through the twitter that Nadal needs more salt and when he plays against him he can smell the blood.....then I'd love to tell him that he doesn't have the cojones to win even a MS and a lot less a GS so he is the one who need a lot of salt :lulz2:His big problem is that he thinks is better than anyone and that's why when he is losing he acts so badly, this time he was lucky, next time we'll see.....

 

[Moxie]

Basically because Mouratoglou is a coach and a tennis insider who knows what he's talking about. The rest of your above is a lot of bile, and I'm not sure what you're so mad about. I've figured out that you don't like Kyrgios, though.

 

[Carol]

Basically because Mouratoglou is a coach and a tennis insider who knows what he's talking about. The rest of your above is a lot of bile, and I'm not sure what you're so mad about. I've figured out that you don't like Kyrgios, though.

I've never liked Kyrgios even when I felt sorry for him in those semis Miami 2017 when the crowd acted so badly with him, at that time he didn't do anything wrong but this time in Acapulco he deserved that the crowd was against him after his "performance" playing to Nadal because it was embarrassing and later he has been talking too much garbage through the twitter which has showing more and more that he is an idiot!. And Mouratoglou is another idiot who also has showing more than one time not having too much sympathy for Nadal

 

[Front242]

I've never liked Kyrgios even when I felt sorry for him in those semis Miami 2017 when the crowd acted so badly with him, at that time he didn't do anything wrong but this time in Acapulco he deserved that the crowd was against him after his "performance" playing to Nadal because it was embarrassing and later he has been talking too much garbage through the twitter which has showing more and more that he is an idiot!. And Mouratoglou is another idiot who also has showing more than one time not having too much sympathy for Nadal

What supposed garbage was he saying on Twitter? That he wasn't gonna take any notice of what Nadal said and that Nadal takes too long between points? In case you hadn't noticed, it's the truth. Mouratoglou is 100% right. It's good to see guys like Kyrgios and Gulbis to name another speak the truth and not this sugar coated politically correct bs we hear and read all the time.

 

[Andy22]

What supposed garbage was he saying on Twitter? That he wasn't gonna take any notice of what Nadal said and that Nadal takes too long between points? In case you hadn't noticed, it's the truth. Mouratoglou is 100% right. It's good to see guys like Kyrgios and Gulbis to name another speak the truth and not this sugar coated politically correct bs we hear and read all the time.

Djokovic takes long time between points as well, Murray sometimes, so its not just Nadal like you say also, nadal right N.kyrgios needs to be more of a professional train harder, get a coach, try 100% every point and stop acting like a brat every time something goes against you. N.kyrgios needs to listen to the great players not disagree every thing they say.

 

[Front242]

Djokovic takes long time between points as well, Murray sometimes, so its not just Nadal like you say also, nadal right N.kyrgios needs to be more of a professional train harder, get a coach, try 100% every point and stop acting like a brat every time something goes against you. N.kyrgios needs to listen to the great players not disagree every thing they say.

When did I say Nadal was the only one who was slow? Kyrgios directed his points at Nadal only so the comments were about him naturally enough. I agree he needs to try harder but he didn't speak any garbage and that was all I was replying to after Carol's silly rant.