2023 ATP General News

[MargaretMcAleer]

Look away AP,

Watanuki wins the 1st set against FAA in a TB 76 (10) FAA needs to find good 1st serves on a consistent basis, looked nervous to me
Your other fav Sir Andrew Murray has just started his match against Nakashima

 

[Jelenafan]

I do agree if there's a BETTER chance for someone new to break through it may happen in NY.

So True, but that’s more due to the crazy monopoly Novak has enjoyed at the AO and W and Rafa at the French in comparison. The USO winners since 2009 have really had just one relative outlier , Marin Cilic,’; all the other winners were multiple Slam finalists or prior Slam winners when they won at Flushing Meadows. Even Medvedev had been to 2 previous Slam finals & Theim to 3.

Sure Alcaraz won as a 19 year old, but to me now in hindsight winning Wimbledon he was going to burst out somewhere inevitably.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

AP,

FAA continues to have a poor season going out to Watanuki ( #99) who played well, fearless tennis, in straight sets 76(10) 76 (3)
FAA knee appeared fine, though he should not be losing to these players that are lesser ranked..He has lost 6 out of his last 7 matches

 

[Moxie]

So True, but that’s more due to the crazy monopoly Novak has enjoyed at the AO and W and Rafa at the French in comparison. The USO winners since 2009 have really had just one relative outlier , Marin Cilic,’; all the other winners were multiple Slam finalists or prior Slam winners when they won at Flushing Meadows. Even Medvedev had been to 2 previous Slam finals & Theim to 3.

Sure Alcaraz won as a 19 year old, but to me now in hindsight winning Wimbledon he was going to burst out somewhere inevitably.

Does Del Potro qualify as an outlier? He won in 2009.

 

[Moxie]

Nice win by Murray over Nakashima. Big fight!

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Nice win by Murray over Nakashima. Big fight!

Happier news for AP lol! 76(5) 64

 

[kskate2]

Does Del Potro qualify as an outlier? He won in 2009.

He said since 2009. So he's excluding JMDP w/ that statement

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Not great news for Sir Andrew Murray he will probably be facing Taylor Fritz in his next match in Washington

 

[Moxie]

He said since 2009. So he's excluding JMDP w/ that statement

OK, I see that's where he drew the line, but I don't necessarily agree with it. JMDP's win is well in the Fedal years. The question is, as I see it, what makes the USO so hard to repeat? Surely last Major of the year is one of the problems. Or the biggest problem? It's why many, (including Nadal fans) thought he might never win it, back in the day. The Majors of the year are bracketed by HC tournaments. Why has Novak dominated the first one, and done even less well than Roger and Rafa at the last one? Why has New York seen so many first-time/only-time Slam winners, at least in, what, the past 20+ years? (I didn't check, but the FO may have had more if you go back past Nadal.) So, to AP's point, sure...why not a new winner?

 

[Jelenafan]

From 2004 through 2021, a period of 18 years the Big 3 won 12 USO titles, and lost in 3 other finals. Plus keep in mind the last time they all played the USO simultaneously was either 2018 or 2019 I think.

In this period also keep in mind Nadal because of injuries/Covid did not even play as defending Champhion (won 2013/2019 no show in 2014 & 2020) TWICE.

The other winners? JMDP, Murray, Wawrinka, Cilic, Theim & Medvedev. ( Those nonbig 3 guys reached 28 Slam finals between them for goodness sake.)

That Big3 number IS a dominating stat, only in the context of the other 3 slams does it seem less so.

Its almost like saying the Atlantic Ocean is “small” when compared to the Pacific. Its still friggin huge.

 

[Jelenafan]

… Why has New York seen so many first-time/only-time Slam winners, at least in, what, the past 20+ years? (I didn't check, but the FO may have had more if you go back past Nadal.) So, to AP's point, sure...why not a new winner?

For goodnake sake, because the Big3 dominated the first 3 slams so thoroughly that they were tired/exhausted/less than peak by the time the 4th one rolled in.

Sometimes the simple obvious reason works. ; )

 

[Moxie]

For goodnake sake, because the Big3 dominated the first 3 slams so thoroughly that they were tired/exhausted/less than peak by the time the 4th one rolled in.

Sometimes the simple obvious reason works. ; )

OK, now I see your point about them dominating the first 3 slams of the year, but I DID make the point about it being the last one, and fatigue being an issue. But then that doesn't account for Roger and Novak dominating the YEC. Novak, in particular, has often played a lot in the post USO season, and done well. Just not at the USO. But, sure, we agree that fatigue is an issue at the USO.

 

[Jelenafan]

OK, now I see your point about them dominating the first 3 slams of the year, but I DID make the point about it being the last one, and fatigue being an issue. But then that doesn't account for Roger and Novak dominating the YEC. Novak, in particular, has often played a lot in the post USO season, and done well. Just not at the USO. But, sure, we agree that fatigue is an issue at the USO.

First of all I don’t consider the YE ATP with it’s round robin best of 3 early round format the equivalent of the Slams plus *everyone* is running on fumes at that point, but whatever…

Best BIG 3 result any given year (all Big3 finals excluded)

Big 3 at 4 slams & YE ATP -2004-2021

In 18 years:
AO 16 wins 1 runnerup
FO 17 wins 1 runnerup
W 16 wins 1 runnerup
USO 12 wins 3 runnerups

ATP 10 wins 3 runnerups

Now at the YE ATP Djokovic won in 2022 for the first time in 7 years (2015 ) or any big3 win there for that matter IMO in no small part because ….SHOCKER… he wasnt as exhausted year end ( did not play the NA tourneys nor the AO)

ETA: AO corrected; only 1 runnerup year (2014)

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

No 1 seed Taylor Fritz, Wasington DC, in SS over Q Svajda 63 63 will now face Andy Murray in the next round
Good win from Gael Monfils defeating Bublik who can be tricky 63 64

 

[the AntiPusher]

AP,

FAA continues to have a poor season going out to Watanuki ( #99) who played well, fearless tennis, in straight sets 76(10) 76 (3)
FAA knee appeared fine, though he should not be losing to these players that are lesser ranked..He has lost 6 out of his last 7 matches

Thanks MM,

Felix needs to make some changes very quickly...or he will have a free fall from his current high ranking.FAA overall tennis game is not good enough

 

[PhiEaglesfan712]

Thanks MM,

Felix needs to make some changes very quickly...or he will have a free fall from his current high ranking.FAA overall tennis game is not good enough

It took you a while, but I'm glad that you're finally seeing the light. I used to be a fan of FAA (I no longer am), but I realized at some point this year that he just doesn't have it.

 

[the AntiPusher]

It took you a while, but I'm glad that you're finally seeing the light. I used to be a fan of FAA (I no longer am), but I realized at some point this year that he just doesn't have it.

Yeah it took me a minute...I don't enjoy being critical of Felix

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Toronto Update:
OUT: Cilic, Kachanov yet to play since reaching the RG Qfs
IN: Karatsev, Zhang

 

[kskate2]

OK, now I see your point about them dominating the first 3 slams of the year, but I DID make the point about it being the last one, and fatigue being an issue. But then that doesn't account for Roger and Novak dominating the YEC. Novak, in particular, has often played a lot in the post USO season, and done well. Just not at the USO. But, sure, we agree that fatigue is an issue at the USO.

As @Jelenafan said, BO3 RR is a huge difference vs BO5. I would add indoor courts is another advantage that helped solidify end of season results for Djoke and Fed.

 

[tented]

You know you’re having a bad day when … the commentator says “He finally gets it done on set point number 12.”

Wolf won the first set 6-4.