2023 ATP General News

Status
Not open for further replies.

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,019
Reactions
7,141
Points
113
Don't forget about Novak choking away the 2016 US Open final. He wins that match, the Year End #1 would have been locked.
Choking away.. No Way dude.. Novak played against his BoogeyMan ( Stan the Man). At that point in their careers.. Stan was an incredible bad matchup for Novak. Very similar to the RG final, Stan hit through Novak's defense.. That was not a choke job by Novak,, Rather he was ambushed by the portly built Swiss
 

kskate2

Administrator
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
31,032
Reactions
10,045
Points
113
Age
55
Location
Tampa Bay
Choking away.. No Way dude.. Novak played against his BoogeyMan ( Stan the Man). At that point in their careers.. Stan was an incredible bad matchup for Novak. Very similar to the RG final, Stan hit through Novak's defense.. That was not a choke job by Novak,, Rather he was ambushed by the portly built Swiss
Wawa did what Stan does best. He played bully ball and bossed the baseline. He was in the zone on that BH and his underated serve held up incredibly well. I remember watching both matches and thinking that Djoke would figure it out, but Stan's mentality was I don't plan on missing much and he really didn't.
 

MargaretMcAleer

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2013
Messages
46,593
Reactions
30,701
Points
113
Simone Vagnozzi/Darren Cahill are the 2023 ATP Coaches of the Year.( Jannik Sinner). It is also the first time that this award is won by a pair of coaches than as an individual. ( Fellow coaches vote in this category).
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: kskate2 and Moxie

Kieran

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,035
Reactions
7,321
Points
113
Francisco Roig ( former coach of Rafa Nadal, he also coached WTA player, Sloane Stephens for awhile) is the new coach of Matteo Berrettini.
Always liked him. Rafa relying solely on the porn star next year?
 

MargaretMcAleer

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2013
Messages
46,593
Reactions
30,701
Points
113
Always liked him. Rafa relying solely on the porn star next year?
Agree, I was always a fan of Frances, when Toni had time off Frances was Rafa's main coach, Rafa has 3 coaches Moya, Lopez and Maraccio who came on board when in 2022, Frances left to coach WTA player Sloane Stephens, sad to say this partnership didnt last long, I am interested to see how the new partnership of Roig and Berrettini pans out
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Moxie

Kieran

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,035
Reactions
7,321
Points
113
Agree, I was always a fan of Frances, when Toni had time off Frances was Rafa's main coach, Rafa has 3 coaches Moya, Lopez and Maraccio who came on board when in 2022, Frances left to coach WTA player Sloane Stephens, sad to say this partnership didnt last long, I am interested to see how the new partnership of Roig and Berrettini pans out
You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear, as my old Ma used to say, and although Marco is a swarthy handsome pigs ear, he’ll never be a silk purse. I like him but he’s a few wise and brave moments on court short of being a winner…
 

Moxie

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
43,680
Reactions
14,857
Points
113
Always liked him. Rafa relying solely on the porn star next year?
I think this is your nickname for Moyà? I was wondering about him. When was the last time anyone saw him in Rafa's box? Maybe Toni should just come back. He's not doing much for Felix. :lol6:
 
  • Haha
Reactions: nehmeth

Kieran

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,035
Reactions
7,321
Points
113
I think this is your nickname for Moyà? I was wondering about him. When was the last time anyone saw him in Rafa's box? Maybe Toni should just come back. He's not doing much for Felix. :lol6:
I said it years so about him going AWOL when Rafa needs him. He never attended Wimbledon, for instance. The year when the tourney closes the roof on Rafa on a hot sunny day, moya was off doing whatever he does when he should be working. There’s a lot of tournaments he skipped but Wimbledon? If he had a coach, Rafa might have won it that year…
 
  • Like
Reactions: Moxie

PhiEaglesfan712

Major Winner
Joined
Sep 7, 2022
Messages
1,057
Reactions
1,022
Points
113
A lot of people overlook Novak's failure to close out Murray in sets 3 and 4 in that French Open semifinal, forcing him to play that extra day. That definitely played a role in Novak's 2015 French Open final loss. If Novak closes it out earlier and doesn't play the extra day, maybe he pulls out the final in 4 or 5. (Just look at the 2021 French Open. It was huge for Novak to close that out in 4. If he had to go 5 with Rafa, even if he had won, Novak probably doesn't have enough juice in the finals against Tsitsipas judging by the way he came out.)

Novak doesn't have that excuse for the 2016 US Open. His draw was straightforward, and even won the first set of the final. He just choked, like he did in the Wimbledon final to Alcaraz. Every great player has a few of them. Even Federer choked the 2014 and 2019 Wimbledon finals. It happens, but it doesn't reduce Novak or Federer's greatness.
 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,019
Reactions
7,141
Points
113
Throw back Thursday

You can’t make a silk purse out of a sows ear, as my old Ma used to say, and although Marco is a swarthy handsome pigs ear, he’ll never be a silk purse. I like him but he’s a few wise and brave moments on court short of being a winner…
 

the AntiPusher

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
17,019
Reactions
7,141
Points
113
Agree, I was always a fan of Frances, when Toni had time off Frances was Rafa's main coach, Rafa has 3 coaches Moya, Lopez and Maraccio who came on board when in 2022, Frances left to coach WTA player Sloane Stephens, sad to say this partnership didnt last long, I am interested to see how the new partnership of Roig and Berrettini pans out
Speaking about Frankie Roig wasting his time with Scoane.. The problem with Sloane is her inner motor. Coaches have tried to inject Regular, Unleaded and Premium gasoline into Sloane's tank but her motor ONLY accepts diesel fuel!
 

Moxie

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
Apr 14, 2013
Messages
43,680
Reactions
14,857
Points
113
A lot of people overlook Novak's failure to close out Murray in sets 3 and 4 in that French Open semifinal, forcing him to play that extra day. That definitely played a role in Novak's 2015 French Open final loss. If Novak closes it out earlier and doesn't play the extra day, maybe he pulls out the final in 4 or 5. (Just look at the 2021 French Open. It was huge for Novak to close that out in 4. If he had to go 5 with Rafa, even if he had won, Novak probably doesn't have enough juice in the finals against Tsitsipas judging by the way he came out.)

Novak doesn't have that excuse for the 2016 US Open. His draw was straightforward, and even won the first set of the final. He just choked, like he did in the Wimbledon final to Alcaraz. Every great player has a few of them. Even Federer choked the 2014 and 2019 Wimbledon finals. It happens, but it doesn't reduce Novak or Federer's greatness.
I'm not clear on how you define a "choke." I think it's fair to say that Roger choked in the 2019 Wimbledon final, when he had 2 consecutive Championship points on his serve, though even that was hotly debated here at the time, between Fed fans and Djokovic fans. (For Novak's fans, he just saved them.) The others just sound like matches that you thought the other player "should" have won. The 2014 Wimbledon final was a hard-fought 5-setter, against an estimable opponent. Roger won a tight first set, but Novak the next 2.

You say Novak "doesn't have an excuse" for the 2016 US Open, but that completely negates how Stan played. I also don't see how Novak choked in this year's Wimbledon final v. Alcaraz. Because he netted some shots in the 2nd set TB that he wouldn't normally miss? There was still a long way to go at that point, and, IMO, he got outplayed in the end.

To me, choking a match is when you have the clear advantage, or the match on your racquet, as in Federer in that 2019 final. To me, Tsitsipas losing the RG final v. Djokovic in 2021 wasn't exactly a choke because he clearly doesn't have the cojones to close. Nadal d. Medvedev in AO 2021 also wasn't a choke, because it was Rafa who choked that 2nd set, having had advantages twice in the set.

IMO, it can rarely be said that a player "choked" a match, because it downplays the efforts on the other side of the net. I don't think a few poorly-played points here and there can cut it. I definitely don't think that being the player that "should" have won it on paper justifies it, at all. Federer fans like to point to his loss to del Potro at the USO in 2009 as a "choke." I don't believe that it qualifies.

I'll tell you one that does, IMO: Nadal d. Medvedev, YEC 2019. Medvedev was up two breaks and serving for the match at 5-1. He played an absolutely terrible game to drop serve, but still had that E-surance break. Lost that one, too. Nadal got it back on serve and eventually won in a TB. You know I'm a huge Nadal fan, but even I will say that all Rafa had to do was mostly participate in that 3rd set to win that match, so badly did Medvedev crater.

But I'd love to hear how you define a "choke."
 

MargaretMcAleer

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2013
Messages
46,593
Reactions
30,701
Points
113
The 2023 Stefan Edberg Sportsmanship Award is Carlos Alcaraz ( fellow players have voted for Carlos to win this award).
BTW Carlos is the youngest player to receive the award.
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Moxie and kskate2

MargaretMcAleer

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2013
Messages
46,593
Reactions
30,701
Points
113
2023 ATP Tournament of the Year Awards, ( players have voted for these tournaments)

ATP1000 Indian Wells
ATP500 Queen's Club-London
ATP250 Bastad
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: tented and nehmeth

MargaretMcAleer

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2013
Messages
46,593
Reactions
30,701
Points
113
Carlos Alcaraz will be without his coach JCFerrero at the AO, as he is recovering from recent knee surgery.( source Marca)
 
  • Sad
Reactions: Moxie

MargaretMcAleer

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2013
Messages
46,593
Reactions
30,701
Points
113
Holger Rune adds long time Federer coach Severin Luthi to his team, joining new coach Boris Becker
Interesting new challenge for Severin Luthi. He was approached by many players in the last 15 months. Holger was one of the few he considered. He likes his potential and fire.And Severin has a very good relationship with Boris Becker. He is one of his childhood idols ( source Simon Graf)
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Moxie and kskate2

don_fabio

Multiple Major Winner
Joined
May 2, 2019
Messages
4,376
Reactions
4,816
Points
113
Holger Rune adds long time Federer coach Severin Luthi to his team, joining new coach Boris Becker
Interesting new challenge for Severin Luthi. He was approached by many players in the last 15 months. Holger was one of the few he considered. He likes his potential and fire.And Severin has a very good relationship with Boris Becker. He is one of his childhood idols ( source Simon Graf)
Rune is strengthening his team with the best guys he can find around that are free, first Becker, now Luthi!
 

MargaretMcAleer

The GOAT
Joined
Apr 30, 2013
Messages
46,593
Reactions
30,701
Points
113
Rune is strengthening his team with the best guys he can find around that are free, first Becker, now Luthi!
He certainly is, lets see if these 2 coaches can bring out the best in him, I still feel he needs more strength training, for a young player he had a lot of injuries eg back, in 2023, had the trainer out a lot in his matches in 2023
 
Last edited:
Status
Not open for further replies.