2022 ATP General News

[Kieran]

I take your point, still I imagine the ATP will have a say, regardless.
In regards to Sasha's case it has been under investigation for some time, via a private investigation team.

His one isn’t even going to court, so the ATP will place themselves in an interesting pucker if they set themselves up as judge and jury and decide he should be punished…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

His one isn’t even going to court, so the ATP will place themselves in an interesting pucker if they set themselves up as judge and jury and decide he should be punished…

I have read that Sasha said it had gone to a German court? but I could not find out anymore information if that was true or not, still the case is being investigating.

 

[Kieran]

I have read that Sasha said it had gone to a German court? but I could not find out anymore information if that was true or not, still the case is being investigating.

I haven’t heard that but it could be true. It could even be true that he’s brought a case against her, because she’s often brought this up in the press but refused to take a case against him. Either way, I hope it gets resolved quickly…

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

I haven’t heard that but it could be true. It could even be true that he’s brought a case against her, because she’s often brought this up in the press but refused to take a case against him. Either way, I hope it gets resolved quickly…

Agree it has been going on for over a year plus.

 

[kskate2]

If you say so! As for Rafa, he's just not very bright and tries not to speak on himself much at all if he can help it!

I disagree w/ that. No player who has won multiple grand slams has a low IQ.

 

[Kieran]

I disagree w/ that. No player who has won multiple grand slams has a low IQ.

@Fiero425 was comparing Rafa to himself, not to other multiple GS champs…

 

[Fiero425]

I disagree w/ that. No player who has won multiple grand slams has a low IQ.

No one more a Borg fan than me and IMO he was probably an idiot too! He was made into a Pro player before he turned 15! I heard he read comic books more than anything! He wasn't exposed to women as much so was easiy manipulated by them as well! Rafa's no brain surgeon; believe it! I see the confusion in his answers to the simplest questions! Novak OTOH is probably one of the more intelligent players in the history of the game, speaking 11 languages at least including Chinese! They aren't just quick comments made either! He gives long, drawn out acceptance speeches as if he's a native; esp. in Paris as he speaks French fluently! Rafa's a moron who can barely get thru Spanish inquisitons! In English, he falls inside out and it's hard to take!

 

[Kieran]

No one more a Borg fan than me and IMO he was probably an idiot too! He was made into a Pro player before he turned 15! I heard he read comic books more than anything! He wasn't exposed to women as much so was easiy manipulated by them as well! Rafa's no brain surgeon; believe it! I see the confusion in his answers to the simplest questions! Novak OTOH is probably one of the more intelligent players in the history of the game, speaking 11 languages at least including Chinese! They aren't just quick comments made either! He gives long, drawn out acceptance speeches as if he's a native; esp. in Paris as he speaks French fluently! Rafa's a moron who can barely get thru Spanish inquisitons! In English, he falls isnide out and it's hard to take!

Good to see some objective analysis. Novak invented penicillin too, you forgot that. That main intelligence tennis players need is how to do what they do between the lines.

Occasionally, reading ability requires intelligence too, especially words written in a foreign language. Often legal words, like say, the list of conditions that aren’t included in vaccine medical exemptions. Written in Australian…

 

[Fiero425]

Good to see some objective analysis. Novak invented penicillin too, you forgot that. That main intelligence tennis players need is how to do what they do between the lines.

Occasionally, reading ability requires intelligence too, especially words written in a foreign language. Often legal words, like say, the list of conditions that aren’t included in vaccine medical exemptions. Written in Australian…

Hmmm, not sure that's a shot or not! You still made my blog even if it is!

 

[Kieran]

Hmmm, not sure that's a shot or not! You still made my blog even if it is!

I appreciate the business!

 

[roberto]

I hope Roger doesn't follow in Serena's footsteps doing a goodbye tour. It is painful to watch and I'm not even a Serena fan haha. As I said on a previous thread, I hope he gauges his level of play at the Laver Cup ----and probably wouldn't put himself in a position to be publicly embarrassed if he/his knees are not up to the highest level of competition....

 

[Moxie]

She didn’t bring a case. She brought a lot of publicity but nothing else. Very easy to draw the wrong conclusions from publicity, but in an age where some people think that allegations are evidence, and that no woman ever told a lie, she’s damaged his reputation.

The ATP would be wise to steer clear of it…

I think the ATP has the equivalent of a "morals clause." @tented will know.

I don’t know if the ATP should be going this route. If the outcome goes against him in court, then that’s where the punishment will be too…

See above. I have no problem separating players from their private lives. Recreational drugs? You do you. DUI, not on company time? OK. But you're the rules guy. What if the rules DO proscribe how you behave on your off-time?

 

[tented]

I think the ATP has the equivalent of a "morals clause." @tented will know.

See above. I have no problem separating players from their private lives. Recreational drugs? You do you. DUI, not on company time? OK. But you're the rules guy. What if the rules DO proscribe how you behave on your off-time?

From the ATP Rulebook:

Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game

The favorable reputation of ATP, its tournaments and players is a valuable asset and creates tangible benefits for all ATP members. Accordingly, it is an obligation for ATP players and Related Persons, to refrain from engaging in conduct contrary to the integrity of the game of tennis.

a) Conduct contrary to the integrity of the game shall include, but not be limited to, publicized comments that unreasonably attack or disparage any person or group of people, a tournament, sponsor, player, official or ATP. Responsible expressions of legitimate disagreement with ATP policies are not prohibited. However, public comments that one of the stated persons above knows, or should reasonably know, will harm the reputation or financial best interests of a tournament, player, sponsor, official or ATP are expressly covered by this section.

b) A player, or related person, that has at any time behaved in a manner severely damaging to the reputation of the sport, including submitting a falsified Covid-19 vaccination record, may be deemed by virtue of such behavior to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis and be in violation of this Section.

c) A player, or related person, convicted of a violation of a criminal or civil law of any jurisdiction may be deemed by virtue of such conviction to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis.

d) A player, or related person, charged with a violation of a criminal or civil law of any jurisdiction may be deemed by virtue of such charge to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis and the ATP Senior Vice President - Rules & Competition may provisionally suspend such player, or related person, from further participation in ATP tournaments pending a final determination of the criminal or civil proceeding.

e) Violation of this section shall subject the player to a fine of up to $100,000 and/or suspension from play in ATP Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournaments for a period of up to three (3) years. Violation of this Section by a Related Person may result in a maximum penalty of permanent revocation of accred- itation and denial of access to all ATP Tour and ATP Challenger Tour Tournaments.

 

[Kieran]

I think the ATP has the equivalent of a "morals clause." @tented will know.

See above. I have no problem separating players from their private lives. Recreational drugs? You do you. DUI, not on company time? OK. But you're the rules guy. What if the rules DO proscribe how you behave on your off-time?

It’s possible they have a morals clause and obviously they don’t want to give rapists a pass, or be seen to condone abusive behaviour, but this is a domestic issue which hasn’t yet gone to court. The ATP isn’t a court of law and if they pass a judgment against a player based on their investigation, then I think it’s not a good thing. Nobody will be testifying under oath to the ATP investigators. They should activate their morals clause once it’s proven in an actual court of law that a player has done something illegal…

 

[Kieran]

From the ATP Rulebook:

Conduct Contrary to the Integrity of the Game

The favorable reputation of ATP, its tournaments and players is a valuable asset and creates tangible benefits for all ATP members. Accordingly, it is an obligation for ATP players and Related Persons, to refrain from engaging in conduct contrary to the integrity of the game of tennis.

a) Conduct contrary to the integrity of the game shall include, but not be limited to, publicized comments that unreasonably attack or disparage any person or group of people, a tournament, sponsor, player, official or ATP. Responsible expressions of legitimate disagreement with ATP policies are not prohibited. However, public comments that one of the stated persons above knows, or should reasonably know, will harm the reputation or financial best interests of a tournament, player, sponsor, official or ATP are expressly covered by this section.

b) A player, or related person, that has at any time behaved in a manner severely damaging to the reputation of the sport, including submitting a falsified Covid-19 vaccination record, may be deemed by virtue of such behavior to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis and be in violation of this Section.

c) A player, or related person, convicted of a violation of a criminal or civil law of any jurisdiction may be deemed by virtue of such conviction to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis.

d) A player, or related person, charged with a violation of a criminal or civil law of any jurisdiction may be deemed by virtue of such charge to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis and the ATP Senior Vice President - Rules & Competition may provisionally suspend such player, or related person, from further participation in ATP tournaments pending a final determination of the criminal or civil proceeding.

e) Violation of this section shall subject the player to a fine of up to $100,000 and/or suspension from play in ATP Tour or ATP Challenger Tour tournaments for a period of up to three (3) years. Violation of this Section by a Related Person may result in a maximum penalty of permanent revocation of accred- itation and denial of access to all ATP Tour and ATP Challenger Tour Tournaments.

Thanks for that, T. So according to this, they have no basis for their investigation, since (as far as I know) Zverev hasn’t been charged with anything, but there is that very shadily worded clause D which suggests that a player even being charged with criminal behaviour “may be deemed by virtue of such charge to have engaged in conduct contrary to the integrity of the Game of Tennis.”

This, of course, is wholly unfair. a person charged with a crime is deemed to be innocent until proven guilty. This is a modem problem - a very serious problem - created by activists of recent years. The presumption of innocence is more or less gone.

Since the ATP have taken it upon themselves to investigate Zverev, though he hasn’t to my knowledge been charged with a crime, are they also investigating claims by the BBC that Novak used a faked Covid test to try get into Australia? Novak also hasn’t been charged with anything, but similarly to Zverev, an allegation has been made…

 

[the AntiPusher]

I don’t know if the ATP should be going this route. If the outcome goes against him in court, then that’s where the punishment will be too…

Most sports agency like the NFL are worried about their brand or in the case of the NFL the shield which is why they may add additional punishment if found guilty.

 

[Kieran]

Most sports agency like the NFL are worried about their brand or in the case of the NFL the shield which is why they may add additional punishment if found guilty.

I think if he’s found guilty then sponsors will drop him like a hot cake. And deservedly so. I don’t know what sanctions the ATP might have in mind, in that eventuality. So far, it’s just allegations and I haven’t heard that his sponsors have reacted, which is a good thing. The ATP shouldn’t react either…

 

[Ricardo]

For Alexander it probably doesn’t matter much practically since his ankle is stuffed. He cant play for a long time anyway, might as well to use the time to sort out those things….maybe pay his way out of trouble.

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Gael Monfils has withdrawn from the USO.Gael will undergo more treatment for his foot,before being able to resume tournaments.

Update USO,
OUT: Monfils
IN: Daniel

 

[MargaretMcAleer]

Grigor Dimitrov takes a wild card into the main draw of Winston Salem tournament