2021 Wimbledon Final: Berrettini vs. Djokovic

[MikeOne]

Well it's sad that a pusher like fakervic has driven all the true tennis fans away from this sport.

poor Roger fans. Must be tough seeing Djoker strip Roger of all big records - weeks at #1, slam record, masters titles. Not only this, Rog has a losing record vs Djoker and could never topple Rafa at French. Djoker also has the Djoker slam... but probably most devastating is how Djoker has beaten Rog in his house, in 3 big finals at Wimbledon. Djoker has invaded Rog and Rafa's houses and brought the houses down. Man, i hope Djokovic doesn't get 8 or more Wimbledons, this would be an insult to Federer... As a person who was never Rog's biggest fan, even i wouldn't want this, so Rog sails into sunset with at least one record in tact!

Rafa fans are equally frustrated...

Well, hey, denial will eventually lead to acceptance, even for you. Yeah, Djoker is the GOAT, it seems..

i'll leave you with a bit of highlights of Djoker thrashing Rog and Rafa... and Rafa saying he has never played such a level.

thrashing of Rafa (2016 Doha final):
Rafa after the match: “I played against a player who did everything perfect,” Nadal said. “I don’t know anybody who played tennis like this ever. Since I know this sport I never saw somebody playing at this level."


and Roger getting overpowered by Djoker offensive juggernaut (2016 AO Open):
No-one has ever done this to Roger in a slam... Rog couldn't handle the 'power' from the 'defensive' Djoker.

 

[the AntiPusher]

poor Roger fans. Must be tough seeing Djoker strip Roger of all big records - weeks at #1, slam record, masters titles. Not only this, Rog has a losing record vs Djoker and could never topple Rafa at French. Djoker also has the Djoker slam... but probably most devastating is how Djoker has beaten Rog in his house, in 3 big finals at Wimbledon. Djoker has invaded Rog and Rafa's houses and brought the houses down. Man, i hope Djokovic doesn't get 8 or more Wimbledons, this would be an insult to Federer... As a person who was never Rog's biggest fan, even i wouldn't want this, so Rog sails into sunset with at least one record in tact!

Rafa fans are equally frustrated...

Well, hey, denial will eventually lead to acceptance, even for you. Yeah, Djoker is the GOAT, it seems..

i'll leave you with a bit of highlights of Djoker thrashing Rog and Rafa... and Rafa saying he has never played such a level.

thrashing of Rafa (2016 Doha final):
Rafa after the match: “I played against a player who did everything perfect,” Nadal said. “I don’t know anybody who played tennis like this ever. Since I know this sport I never saw somebody playing at this level."


and Roger getting overpowered by Djoker offensive juggernaut (2016 AO Open):
No-one has ever done this to Roger in a slam... Rog couldn't handle the 'power' from the 'defensive' Djoker.

Can I see what type of energy you had when Rafa beat the living Daylights out of Novak's game last September at RG .Can someone give that thread a bump?

 

[MikeOne]

Can I see what type of energy you had when Rafa beat the living Daylights out of Novak's game last September at RG .Can someone give that thread a bump?

go ahead and bump it... i believe i was happy with the result, i like Rafa. In fact, i think i was explaining that Rafa, at his best, beats Djoker on clay....

but Djoker has beaten Rafa at French (and clay) more than anyone else and also beaten Roger at Wimbledon more than anyone else. Crazy.... true makings of the goat.

 

[monfed]

poor Roger fans. Must be tough seeing Djoker strip Roger of all big records - weeks at #1, slam record, masters titles. Not only this, Rog has a losing record vs Djoker and could never topple Rafa at French. Djoker also has the Djoker slam... but probably most devastating is how Djoker has beaten Rog in his house, in 3 big finals at Wimbledon. Djoker has invaded Rog and Rafa's houses and brought the houses down. Man, i hope Djokovic doesn't get 8 or more Wimbledons, this would be an insult to Federer... As a person who was never Rog's biggest fan, even i wouldn't want this, so Rog sails into sunset with at least one record in tact!

Rafa fans are equally frustrated...

Well, hey, denial will eventually lead to acceptance, even for you. Yeah, Djoker is the GOAT, it seems..

i'll leave you with a bit of highlights of Djoker thrashing Rog and Rafa... and Rafa saying he has never played such a level.

thrashing of Rafa (2016 Doha final):
Rafa after the match: “I played against a player who did everything perfect,” Nadal said. “I don’t know anybody who played tennis like this ever. Since I know this sport I never saw somebody playing at this level."


and Roger getting overpowered by Djoker offensive juggernaut (2016 AO Open):
No-one has ever done this to Roger in a slam... Rog couldn't handle the 'power' from the 'defensive' Djoker.

blah blah blah blah blah faker beat Fed when he was past his prime so nobody cares about faker...atleast nadull took some trophies from prime Fed so he gets some credit

 

[the AntiPusher]

go ahead and bump it... i believe i was happy with the result, i like Rafa. In fact, i think i was explaining that Rafa, at his best, beats Djoker on clay....

but Djoker has beaten Rafa at French (and clay) more than anyone else and also beaten Roger at Wimbledon more than anyone else. Crazy.... true makings of the goat.

Rafa and Roger have defeated Novak at the USO more than anyone else.
Roger has defeated Rafa at SW19 more than anyone else.
Rafa has defeated Novak at RG more than anyone else but his record vs Roger.
Rafa has defeated Roger at AO more than anyone else..

Again .What is your point Mike!

 

[tennisville]

Rafa has defeated Roger at AO more than anyone else..

Again .What is your point Mike!

Rafa on beating Roger at AO: 2009, 2012, 2014
Novak on beating Roger at AO: 2008, 2011, 2016, 2020

Am I missing 2 wins of Rafa somewhere?

Also Federer has beaten Djokovic more than Nadal at the US Open so I dont know why you are mentioning Nadal there

I think his point might have been that Roger and Rafa are the greatest players on grass and clay and Novak has beaten them on their best surfaces more than anyone else

 

[the AntiPusher]

Rafa on beating Roger at AO: 2009, 2012, 2014
Novak on beating Roger at AO: 2008, 2011, 2016, 2020

Am I missing 2 wins of Rafa somewhere?

Also Federer has beaten Djokovic more than Nadal at the US Open so I dont know why you are mentioning Nadal there

I think his point might have been that Roger and Rafa are the greatest players on grass and clay and Novak has beaten them on their best surfaces more than anyone else

Not really..Why are you skipping Novak's numbers at the USO (finals )3-5 on his best surface..( Rafa beaten him twice ) Roger , Sir Andrew and Stan once .

How many RG and US finals have Rafa loss? (Zero) RG and (one) US open

 

[Jelenafan]

Barry Bonds was a known steroid user. Tennis is filthy too but they just don't care anymore 'cos the top guys make them so rich.

Steroids can help with injury recovery and muscle mass.

However Fiero’s point on Bonds is well taken, his eye to hand coordination was such at his peak that the ball seemed a big slow motion target to Barry that opposing teams just gave up and walked him in all circumstances. His on base percentage was beyond surreal. It wasn't all steroids with Barry, as much as his detractors glibly try to dismiss his baseball talents.

 

[MikeOne]

blah blah blah blah blah faker beat Fed when he was past his prime so nobody cares about faker...atleast nadull took some trophies from prime Fed so he gets some credit

Blah,blah..

where were prime djoker and rafa when fed was beating fakers like roddick, blake, hewitt, philippousis.. between 04-07? Rafa entered in prime around 08, his best years being 08, 10, 13.

we can play this game all day. Let’s strip roger of all those slams he won between 04-07 when prime novak wasn’t around. Let’s also strip roger of AO in 2017 when novak had injury which took 2 years of his prime. How many slams would roger have after these adjustments? Let’s see, strip away 17, 18 AO and 11 slams between 04-07? So around 13 slams he won without having to face prime novak..

we can play this game all day long

 

[MikeOne]

Rafa on beating Roger at AO: 2009, 2012, 2014
Novak on beating Roger at AO: 2008, 2011, 2016, 2020

Am I missing 2 wins of Rafa somewhere?

Also Federer has beaten Djokovic more than Nadal at the US Open so I dont know why you are mentioning Nadal there

I think his point might have been that Roger and Rafa are the greatest players on grass and clay and Novak has beaten them on their best surfaces more than anyone else

Clearly was the main point, he chose to ignore it as it’s quite a point

 

[monfed]

Blah,blah..

where were prime djoker and rafa when fed was beating fakers like roddick, blake, hewitt, philippousis.. between 04-07? Rafa entered in prime around 08, his best years being 08, 10, 13.

we can play this game all day. Let’s strip roger of all those slams he won between 04-07 when prime novak wasn’t around. Let’s also strip roger of AO in 2017 when novak had injury which took 2 years of his prime. How many slams would roger have after these adjustments? Let’s see, strip away 17, 18 AO and 11 slams between 04-07? So around 13 slams he won without having to face prime novak..

we can play this game all day long

med, sissypass, berrettini, would be getting creamed by roddick hewitt safin nalbandian. There is simply no comparison. Fed's era > instagram era

And yes I stand by what I said - No ATG since 1987 to stop faker and dull in their post primes the way Fed was stopped in his post prime.

 

[Sundaymorningguy]

If only there was a thread, where people could argue about who is the better player among Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. It’s so damn crazy that one doesn’t exi…..

 

[Moxie]

If only there was a thread, where people could argue about who is the better player among Federer, Nadal, and Djokovic. It’s so damn crazy that one doesn’t exi…..

Obviously you're kidding. Who can really answer that question?

 

[Moxie]

med, sissypass, berrettini, would be getting creamed by roddick hewitt safin nalbandian. There is simply no comparison. Fed's era > instagram era

And yes I stand by what I said - No ATG since 1987 to stop faker and dull in their post primes the way Fed was stopped in his post prime.

You keep saying the same thing. I'm sure you mean "No ATG BORN since 1987." I'm not sure how you calculate that Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Berrettini would have gotten "creamed" by Roddick, Hewitt, Safin and Nalbandian. Realistically, they're fairly comparable, except for the part where you see how their careers end. Roddick one Major, Safin and Hewitt 2, and Nalbandian none. How would the current crop, including others, be getting creamed by those guys? They could barely get out of their own era with Majors, or none, let alone this one. I'd be interested in specifics.

 

[monfed]

You keep saying the same thing. I'm sure you mean "No ATG BORN since 1987." I'm not sure how you calculate that Medvedev, Tsitsipas, Berrettini would have gotten "creamed" by Roddick, Hewitt, Safin and Nalbandian. Realistically, they're fairly comparable, except for the part where you see how their careers end. Roddick one Major, Safin and Hewitt 2, and Nalbandian none. How would the current crop, including others, be getting creamed by those guys? They could barely get out of their own era with Majors, or none, let alone this one. I'd be interested in specifics.

The fact remains that there has been no ATG born after 1987 that have challenged post prime faker and dull the way dull and faker were challenging post prime Fed. So Fed had not one, but two ATGs stopping him everywhere in his post prime. A classic example of this is RG 11. Post prime Fed played the best tennis in the tournament by far and he still had to go through the clay demon in the final. Neither Nadal nor Djoko have had such an issue on their lesser surfaces like Wimbledon and USO.

Dull was a clay prodigy who was stopping peak Fed on clay and running circles around him from around Wim 07.
fakervic became a challenger from Canada 07 and almost beat Fed at USO 07. This was happening in Fed's prime. His post-prime was completely blocked by Nadal and Djokovic.

Ok I'm willing to make an exception for dull on clay because he's a god on clay. And I'm also, to a much lesser extent, willing to make an exception for DJ at AO. But the way these two in their postprimes are winning Wimbys and USOs left and right without any ATG stopping them is ridiculous. This hasn't happened in any era prior and it's abnormal and it clearly indicates a weak era.

Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, Nalbandian was stopped by prime Federer. This insta gen are being stopped by post prime DJ and post prime Nadal on surfaces that arent even their best namely Wimbledon and USO and that's the main issue here.

Fed overturned the H2Hs with Nalbandian and Hewitt. Safin played the greatest match of all time against peak Fed at AO 05. If you think that any of the insta clowns could beat peak Fed at AO 05, you're delusional and there is no hope for you. Infact there's no point in even having a discussion if you need an explanation for that.