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Glad to see P. Kohlschreiber winning his first round of qualifying in Metz, always enjoyed watching him play, he hits such a clean ball. On the other side, see Tomic retire against Cressy in Nur-Sultan makes me wonder just how committed Tomic is to his game. I guess we may never know......
 

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Feliciano Lopez (Team Europe) and Jack Sock (Team World) are the alternates of next week's Laver Cup
Just looked at Deliciamo's record! IDK how he was so successful, worth millions and running Madrid Masters! You can count the number of times he made it past the 2nd round in majors on one hand! He never won a Masters, and his personal life has been a tossed salad with his 1st wife divorcing him after only 11 months of marriage due to excessive cheating! I guess longevity certainly has it's privileges; ask Fed! :dance2: :thumbs-up::clap:
 
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Just looked at Deliciano's record! IDK how he was so successful, worth millions and running Madrid Masters! You can count the number of times he made it past the 2nd round in majors on one hand! He never won a Masters, and his personal life has been a tossed salad with his 1st wife divorcing him after only 11 months of marriage due to excessive cheating! I guess longevity certainly has it's privileges; ask Fed! :dance2: :thumbs-up::clap:
Good looks can carry you a lot these days :),I know Judy Murray is a big fan of Lopez:)....I hear the ticket prices for the Laver Cup are very expensive.This year without Federer playing,Rafa injured (he was not playing at Boston),I wonder if it will be a sell out with no big draw cards this year.
 

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I've been in anticipation of the next wave of players, but it seems they can't stay on track in an upward trajectory! Half watching Moselle and it's the same ol' thing; old man Murray upsets Humbert and my fave, Khachanov goes down to a Qual. (Gojowczyk)! If #1 Hurkacz drops his match to Andy, I just don't know about watching after Djokovic retires! This is so lame! The Big 3 aren't around, but the NG'rs can't take advantage of their absense! It makes no sense! Rune's still on course def. Sonego who I see as soft! Good, solid tennis ain't gonna win him anything! He needs a weapon! :zippermouthface:
 
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I've been in anticipation of the next wave of players, but it seems they can't stay on track in an upward trajectory! Half watching Moselle and it's the same ol' thing; old man Murray upsets Humbert and my fave, Khachanov goes down to a Qual. (Gojowczyk)! If #1 Hurkacz drops his match to Andy, I just don't know about watching after Djokovic retires! This is so lame! The Big 3 aren't around, but the NG'rs can't take advantage of their absense! It makes no sense! Rune's still on course def. Sonego who I see as soft! Good, solid tennis ain't gonna win him anything! He needs a weapon! :zippermouthface:
Development is rarely just upward. It fluctuates, players lose matches, but the key is, what is the overall trajectory? If it is upward, then all is good. All players stutter, but it is only when the stutter becomes a stall that we should be worried.

Take Borg vs. Laver. Borg slaughtered Laver in their first match, 6-1 6-1. Borg was 17, Laver 35. Laver must have said, "No way I roll over for this young pup" and adjusted, winning their next two matches, also in 1974. In a way they were like Federer/Sampras in 2001, one on the way down, the other on the way up. Laver, while starting to slip a bit, was still elite and finished the year #4. Borg was a very mature 17-18 year old in 1974, winning his first Slam.

Laver continued to slip (he fell to #10 in 1975 and then plummeted to #73 in 1976) and Borg stabilized as one of the top players on tour. Borg won their next (and last) four matches, two in 1975 and two in 1976.

If we dialed back to the end of 1974, we might have thought, "this kid is promising, but he can't beat the old guys." He was 1-2 vs Laver that year, 0-2 vs Newcombe, 1-2 vs Nastase. Not to mention, after beating Jimmy Connors in their first match in 1973, he lost six straight to the #1 through 1976, then won 4 of 6 in 1977-78, then 10 straight from 1979-81.

My point being, you have to look at the overall trajectory. Great players lose to lesser players. Tennis involves dozens and dozens of matches every year. No player can be fully on for everyone of 50-90 matches in a given year. I mean, only three players have won 95% of their matches in any year, Connors in 1974 (96.0%), McEnroe in 1984 (96.5%), and Federer in 2005 (95.3%) and 2006 (94.8%). Even Novak in 2015 "only" won 93.2% of his matches, and in the "Greatest Season Ever," Laver in 1969 won 87.2% of his matches.

Not to mention, let's have some moderation in our hopes about any given young player. Hurkacz could win more Masters and even be a darkhorse at a Slam. I seem him in a similar category as Berretini and Rublev, but I don't expect him to be a #1 or multi-Slam winner. Humbert and Khachanov seem in the next tier down, more like top 20 guys than elites. Sort of like Ruud and Opelka. Too soon to say about Rune, although as of now he's behind FAA, Sinner, Musetti, and Alcaraz among "Millenial Genners." Maybe he's in the next group with Kecmanovic, Popyrin, and maybe Shapovalov (who seems like a wildcard, could take another step into the elite or be more of a Raonic/Dimitrov level player).
 
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Development is rarely just upward. It fluctuates, players lose matches, but the key is, what is the overall trajectory? If it is upward, then all is good. All players stutter, but it is only when the stutter becomes a stall that we should be worried.

Take Borg vs. Laver. Borg slaughtered Laver in their first match, 6-1 6-1. Borg was 17, Laver 35. Laver must have said, "No way I roll over for this young pup" and adjusted, winning their next two matches, also in 1974. In a way they were like Federer/Sampras in 2001, one on the way down, the other on the way up. Laver, while starting to slip a bit, was still elite and finished the year #4. Borg was a very mature 17-18 year old in 1974, winning his first Slam.

Laver continued to slip (he fell to #10 in 1975 and then plummeted to #73 in 1976) and Borg stabilized as one of the top players on tour. Borg won their next (and last) four matches, two in 1975 and two in 1976.

If we dialed back to the end of 1974, we might have thought, "this kid is promising, but he can't beat the old guys." He was 1-2 vs Laver that year, 0-2 vs Newcombe, 1-2 vs Nastase. Not to mention, after beating Jimmy Connors in their first match in 1973, he lost six straight to the #1 through 1976, then won 4 of 6 in 1977-78, then 10 straight from 1979-81.

My point being, you have to look at the overall trajectory. Great players lose to lesser players. Tennis involves dozens and dozens of matches every year. No player can be fully on for everyone of 50-90 matches in a given year. I mean, only three players have won 95% of their matches in any year, Connors in 1974 (96.0%), McEnroe in 1984 (96.5%), and Federer in 2005 (95.3%) and 2006 (94.8%). Even Novak in 2015 "only" won 93.2% of his matches, and in the "Greatest Season Ever," Laver in 1969 won 87.2% of his matches.

Not to mention, let's have some moderation in our hopes about any given young player. Hurkacz could win more Masters and even be a darkhorse at a Slam. I seem him in a similar category as Berretini and Rublev, but I don't expect him to be a #1 or multi-Slam winner. Humbert and Khachanov seem in the next tier down, more like top 20 guys than elites. Sort of like Ruud and Opelka. Too soon to say about Rune, although as of now he's behind FAA, Sinner, Musetti, and Alcaraz among "Millenial Genners." Maybe he's in the next group with Kecmanovic, Popyrin, and maybe Shapovalov (who seems like a wildcard, could take another step into the elite or be more of a Raonic/Dimitrov level player).
That was the genius of Borg to overcome the typical "serve & volley" game of the day when most tournaments were played on grass! How he ever got to the top for good, becoming an ICON will challenge logic decades from now seeing as he did it all with a WOOD racket! :exploding-head: :partying-face::face-with-tears-of-joy: :trophy:
 
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I've been in anticipation of the next wave of players, but it seems they can't stay on track in an upward trajectory! Half watching Moselle and it's the same ol' thing; old man Murray upsets Humbert and my fave, Khachanov goes down to a Qual. (Gojowczyk)! If #1 Hurkacz drops his match to Andy, I just don't know about watching after Djokovic retires! This is so lame! The Big 3 aren't around, but the NG'rs can't take advantage of their absense! It makes no sense! Rune's still on course def. Sonego who I see as soft! Good, solid tennis ain't gonna win him anything! He needs a weapon! :zippermouthface:
You've been too harsh for a 250 tournament :) Don't worry too much about it, most of the time one can never know who is going to win an ATP 250 tourney. Masters and slams we already have clearer picture with a few names going deep regularly.
 
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Congrats to McFly on his nuptials. Introducing David and Stephanie Goffin :wedding:
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Development is rarely just upward. It fluctuates, players lose matches, but the key is, what is the overall trajectory? If it is upward, then all is good. All players stutter, but it is only when the stutter becomes a stall that we should be worried.

Take Borg vs. Laver. Borg slaughtered Laver in their first match, 6-1 6-1. Borg was 17, Laver 35. Laver must have said, "No way I roll over for this young pup" and adjusted, winning their next two matches, also in 1974. In a way they were like Federer/Sampras in 2001, one on the way down, the other on the way up. Laver, while starting to slip a bit, was still elite and finished the year #4. Borg was a very mature 17-18 year old in 1974, winning his first Slam.

Laver continued to slip (he fell to #10 in 1975 and then plummeted to #73 in 1976) and Borg stabilized as one of the top players on tour. Borg won their next (and last) four matches, two in 1975 and two in 1976.

If we dialed back to the end of 1974, we might have thought, "this kid is promising, but he can't beat the old guys." He was 1-2 vs Laver that year, 0-2 vs Newcombe, 1-2 vs Nastase. Not to mention, after beating Jimmy Connors in their first match in 1973, he lost six straight to the #1 through 1976, then won 4 of 6 in 1977-78, then 10 straight from 1979-81.

My point being, you have to look at the overall trajectory. Great players lose to lesser players. Tennis involves dozens and dozens of matches every year. No player can be fully on for everyone of 50-90 matches in a given year. I mean, only three players have won 95% of their matches in any year, Connors in 1974 (96.0%), McEnroe in 1984 (96.5%), and Federer in 2005 (95.3%) and 2006 (94.8%). Even Novak in 2015 "only" won 93.2% of his matches, and in the "Greatest Season Ever," Laver in 1969 won 87.2% of his matches.

Not to mention, let's have some moderation in our hopes about any given young player. Hurkacz could win more Masters and even be a darkhorse at a Slam. I seem him in a similar category as Berretini and Rublev, but I don't expect him to be a #1 or multi-Slam winner. Humbert and Khachanov seem in the next tier down, more like top 20 guys than elites. Sort of like Ruud and Opelka. Too soon to say about Rune, although as of now he's behind FAA, Sinner, Musetti, and Alcaraz among "Millenial Genners." Maybe he's in the next group with Kecmanovic, Popyrin, and maybe Shapovalov (who seems like a wildcard, could take another step into the elite or be more of a Raonic/Dimitrov level player).

I didn't see it, but Laver softened up Borg in the SF of the 1975 WCT CHP.! It took 5 grueling sets to overcome the old man! Ashe was on a roll, drop-shot Bjorn to death in the final! I thought he was going to cry Bjorn looked so tired! Ashe then took Borg out at Wimbledon in straight sets IIRC in '75! No one could foresee what he would do the next 5-6 years overcoming amazing odds to win 5 str. Wimbledons, 4 more FO's making 6, and 2 Masters YE Chp.! Looks like Hubi overcame Murray so I'll have to catch the repeat after LC! Was out walking and getting some exercise! Did at least 5-6 miles with a bud hitting downtown Chicago! :partying-face: :dance2::pompoms::yahoo::face-with-hand-over-mouth:
 
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I don't know how posters on here feel about Benoit Paire, but I had the opportunity to watch him defeat Davidovich Fokina 6-4, 7-5 at the 250 event in Sofia. What I found most surprising, Paire actually was engaged, held his nerve and seemed to actually care if he won. Granted Fokina was, to be honest, having a rough Monday but in the end Paire managed to hold on for the victory. I just don't know what to expect with Paire, but between the double faults he really showed some great feel and touch at the net.
 
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I don't know how posters on here feel about Benoit Paire, but I had the opportunity to watch him defeat Davidovich Fokina 6-4, 7-5 at the 250 event in Sofia. What I found most surprising, Paire actually was engaged, held his nerve and seemed to actually care if he won. Granted Fokina was, to be honest, having a rough Monday but in the end Paire managed to hold on for the victory. I just don't know what to expect with Paire, but between the double faults he really showed some great feel and touch at the net.
Benoit is an enigma.
 

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ATP500 Vienna tournament.....Andy Murray received a wild card into the main draw....looking at the entry list a strong field.
 
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