2019 Crystal Ball Thread

[atttomole]

Overreaching as always! I didn't say that; was totally what I was transferring into the psyches of Nadal and his team concerning Fed being the GOAT! If you're going to quote me at least do it in context! :whistle: :cuckoo:

So what did you mean when you made the statement below?

"There's has to be a huge amount of resentment that Nadal's had Roger's number for the most part, but is still considered the GOAT regardless of their H2H record!"

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Rafa is the true GOAT, I think we can all agree on that.

He is 9-3 in slams vs Federer and 9-5 in slams vs Djokovic.

And he is trailing Federer only 17 slams to 20 slams despite being 5 years younger.

Considering all of Nadal's injuries and setbacks compared to Federer, as well as the fact that he has played much less overall, Federer should have the double amount of slams.

The numbers don't lie. Goldal is the GOAT. Silverer and Bronzokovic are not.

And he is more beautiful and has never broken a racket.

 

[Fiero425]

So what did you mean when you made the statement below?

"There's has to be a huge amount of resentment that Nadal's had Roger's number for the most part, but is still considered the GOAT regardless of their H2H record!"

That's the one! Like I said, it's what I think he would be considering due to Roger being ahead of him, but H2H is totally reversed! :whistle:

 

[atttomole]

That's the one! Like I said, it's what I think he would be considering due to Roger being ahead of him, but H2H is totally reversed! :whistle:

But the other part of the statement still needs some explaining.
"There's has to be a huge amount of resentment that Nadal's had Roger's number for the most part, but is still considered the GOAT regardless of their H2H record!"

 

[DarthFed]

Rafa is the true GOAT, I think we can all agree on that.

He is 9-3 in slams vs Federer and 9-5 in slams vs Djokovic.

And he is trailing Federer only 17 slams to 20 slams despite being 5 years younger.

Considering all of Nadal's injuries and setbacks compared to Federer, as well as the fact that he has played much less overall, Federer should have the double amount of slams.

The numbers don't lie. Goldal is the GOAT. Silverer and Bronzokovic are not.

And he is more beautiful and has never broken a racket.

Twatdal wouldn't be injured so much if he didn't have to play his ugly peasant game, the most physical game in history. Chases after every ball like a chicken with its head cut off. If Roger had his strength, speed, and endurance he wouldn't lose a match. He's been lucky with injuries of anything. One of these days he will finally be done. Good riddance.

 

[Nadalfan2013]

Twatdal wouldn't be injured so much if he didn't have to play his ugly peasant game, the most physical game in history. Chases after every ball like a chicken with its head cut off. If Roger had his strength, speed, and endurance he wouldn't lose a match. He's been lucky with injuries of anything. One of these days he will finally be done. Good riddance.

Take off Federer's servebot talent and he wouldn't be in the Top 100. One of these days he and his boring game will finally be done. Good riddance.

 

[The_Grand_Slam]

Another thread derail courtesy Fieros foolish baiting

 

[Front242]

LOL you should better say luckily Federer and his ANNOYING fans who are very INSECURE that Nadal has had a chronic knee tendinitis, otherwise Federer never would have won his only RG and he also would have had a lot more competition on grass and HC because Nadal is enough good to play well in all the surfaces but his knee has been his worst opponent.
And remember, Nadal has beaten Federer en a Wimbledon final and an AO final

Give me a fucking break. Posts like this from people like you is why people hate Nadal fans so much, always making excuses for injuries that no one really sees except them because it suits them to explain why he lost, 'cos, hey, a healthy Nadal never loses right?! He was running down rockets that Soderling was throwing at him that day but he lost. It happens. Cheer up, he still has 11 RG titles and, what's more, if his supposed chronic tendinitis was anywhere near as bad as a lot of the Nadal fans make out (it's not btw), then how the hell did he manage to win 17 slams lol?

We all know Federer lost that Wimbledon 2008 final and subsequent AO 2009 mentally due to him adopting a crap ineffective game plan at RG 2008 and playing crap and then the snow ball effect carried over from the poor RG loss. He also wasn't able to train properly first 6 months of 2008. Anyway, what exactly is your point, Federer beat him there too. So what? And, no, Nadal's knee has not been his worst opponent...he's won way too much already and there's absolutely no way you can say he'd have won anything else had he played a few more tournaments. He missed the last few events because they thought he might tear an ab muscle if he played, not because he actually tore anything. He skipped the AO 2013 cos of a sore tummy that apparently lasted 3 weeks. Wimbledon 2009 he chose to skip but he was moving fine at RG 2009. I can go on but I think you get the message, he actually chose to miss a lot of them and there was no real obligation to do so...

 

[Shivashish Sarkar]

The big question right now is who shows up with what game at AO.

 

[Front242]

Take off Federer's servebot talent and he wouldn't be in the Top 100. One of these days he and his boring game will finally be done. Good riddance.

You've really shown the whole forum what an absolute moron you are if you think Federer is a serve bot. He rarely serves above 125mph and usually much less. Guys considered serve bots frequently serve 135-140+ mph and only win matches because of their serves, unless of course you think Isner, Karlovic, etc possess the same shot making skills and variety as Federer, in which case, again, you're a complete and utter moron.

 

[Carol]

Give me a fucking break. Posts like this from people like you is why people hate Nadal fans so much, always making excuses for injuries that no one really sees except them because it suits them to explain why he lost, 'cos, hey, a healthy Nadal never loses right?! He was running down rockets that Soderling was throwing at him that day but he lost. It happens. Cheer up, he still has 11 RG titles and, what's more, if his supposed chronic tendinitis was anywhere near as bad as a lot of the Nadal fans make out (it's not btw), then how the hell did he manage to win 17 slams lol?

We all know Federer lost that Wimbledon 2008 final and subsequent AO 2009 mentally due to him adopting a crap ineffective game plan at RG 2008 and playing crap and then the snow ball effect carried over from the poor RG loss. He also wasn't able to train properly first 6 months of 2008. Anyway, what exactly is your point, Federer beat him there too. So what? And, no, Nadal's knee has not been his worst opponent...he's won way too much already and there's absolutely no way you can say he'd have won anything else had he played a few more tournaments. He missed the last few events because they thought he might tear an ab muscle if he played, not because he actually tore anything. He skipped the AO 2013 cos of a sore tummy that apparently lasted 3 weeks. Wimbledon 2009 he chose to skip but he was moving fine at RG 2009. I can go on but I think you get the message, he actually chose to miss a lot of them and there was no real obligation to do so...

On the contrary post like this from people like you is why people think that Federer's fans are stupid and too much fanatic looking always excuses for his loss, "mono" "back" "poor preparation" etc etc , now it's me who says give me a fucking break!
People like you hate Nadal because how many times he has beaten your idol when this one still was playing his best and at his best age and now you only have the consolation (lol) of 2017 results which is unrepeatable. One thing is to have your own favorite but another thing is to act like a sect, too much insanity fanaticism like many of you do .
By the way I don't think this thread is another fedal war but you always like to start with it , what a pain!

 

[Moxie]

If Nadal was anywhere close to as good as Federer on grass then the h2h would be more even but he's nowhere near as good on grass as Federer is on clay considering both are each guy's respective worst surfaces. Luckily for Nadal and his annoying fans who are so insecure they harp on and on about h2h like it's the be all end all, Federer was good enough to play Nadal way more on clay than the reverse, Nadal wasn't good enough for them to have met more on grass so you all lucked out.

Pretty sure you wouldn't be so cocky if they played another 14 matches on grass even with Roger 37.

This is unlikely to have helped as much as you think. They rarely have played the same tune-up, and have spent most of their careers on opposite sides of the draw at Wimbledon. Even a much better Nadal would have been unlikely to have played Federer 8 more times since 2011 (it was Roger who missed the date in 2010, don't forget,) much less 14 more times. Your claim makes no sense, yet some "liked" it without even thinking about it.

It looks like we are agree here. I had said that I do not think that that H2H are very relevant in the goat discussion, in response to Fiero425's post. That is why I was saying that if we use Fiero425's reasoning, then Djokovic would be the goat because he has better H2H against both Federer and Nadal.

Not when it took him as long as it did to pass them. This is a completely different narrative than the ones contained in the Nadal/Federer H2H. That one has been all Ralph, up until last year. And not just on clay. And terrible at Majors.

And in the spirit of this thread: I think Ralph and Fred will meet next year and Rafa takes him both times.

 

[britbox]

If slams were a three-man tournament then Nadal might be considered the GOAT. Unfortunately, they aren't.

Yeah, Fed's H2H against Nadal isn't pretty... but there is some context, particularly in relation to surfaces.... but the main issue with this methodology is that it doesn't take into account things like Nadal getting blown off the court by the likes of Lukas Rosol.

The biggest reason that Nadal is sitting on 2 Wimbledon titles rather than Federer's 8 is nothing to do with a weak field in Federer's prime... it's the fact Nadal couldn't navigate the field in his prime with the regularity of Federer.

I regularly read that Federer bloated his slam count against the likes of Roddick and Philloupousis... but is Rosol any better than Philloupousis? I think not. Would Nadal or Djokovic have been a lock to beat Roddick on grass? I think not... Roddick even edged Djokovic on the overall H2H... You enter tournaments to win and have a full field to navigate... not just 2 players.

 

[DarthFed]

This is unlikely to have helped as much as you think. They rarely have played the same tune-up, and have spent most of their careers on opposite sides of the draw at Wimbledon. Even a much better Nadal would have been unlikely to have played Federer 8 more times since 2011 (it was Roger who missed the date in 2010, don't forget,) much less 14 more times. Your claim makes no sense, yet some "liked" it without even thinking about it.



Not when it took him as long as it did to pass them. This is a completely different narrative than the ones contained in the Nadal/Federer H2H. That one has been all Ralph, up until last year. And not just on clay. And terrible at Majors.

And in the spirit of this thread: I think Ralph and Fred will meet next year and Rafa takes him both times.

Who cares how long it took Djokovic to pass Nadal. They are one year apart. When Djoker came into his own he has absolutely owned Nadal. It is about 40-60 on clay and 90-10 off it. Djokovic taking awhile to catch old bag Federer is a far different tale.

Nadal has never owned Federer off clay, he's just done better than one would expect. It is now 13-10 off dirt. Pathetic for Federer especially considering the magnitude of some of the losses and how pathetic he was to allow them.

 

[Front242]

This is unlikely to have helped as much as you think. They rarely have played the same tune-up, and have spent most of their careers on opposite sides of the draw at Wimbledon. Even a much better Nadal would have been unlikely to have played Federer 8 more times since 2011 (it was Roger who missed the date in 2010, don't forget,) much less 14 more times. Your claim makes no sense, yet some "liked" it without even thinking about it.

I just randomly typed 14 times for the laugh but 8 times would be just fine too as the winner most of the time would have been Federer and you know it. Regarding the likes nonsense, all the Nadal goons do the same thing so quit acting like Federer fans are any different. I couldn't give a shit about likes anyway as I'm not a 15 year old girl sticking my arse out on Instagram hoping people like it, but if someone does "like" something on this forum it means they agree with the substance of the post, which in this case meant more matches on grass = most likely more wins for Federer, which isn't too hard for most to grasp really. As I correctly pointed out, Federer is much better on clay than Nadal is on grass and hence why they met in so many clay finals and semis and Nadal being the better clay courter therefore managed to get a massive h2h advantage on clay.

 

[Front242]

On the contrary post like this from people like you is why people think that Federer's fans are stupid and too much fanatic looking always excuses for his loss, "mono" "back" "poor preparation" etc etc , now it's me who says give me a fucking break!
People like you hate Nadal because how many times he has beaten your idol when this one still was playing his best and at his best age and now you only have the consolation (lol) of 2017 results which is unrepeatable. One thing is to have your own favorite but another thing is to act like a sect, too much insanity fanaticism like many of you do .
By the way I don't think this thread is another fedal war but you always like to start with it , what a pain!

You call Federer fans stupid and then you type this lol?! Stop putting "mono" in quotes, you're embarrassing yourself. It's a real condition and typing "back" and "poor preparation" makes you look even more stupid. Keep telling yourself that's why people like me hate Nadal but I've already told you plenty of times this IS NOT the reason I hate him so you're 100% wrong and if you can actually read you'll see it was Fiero who derailed this thread and not me. You really should read some of the crap you type yourself too before accusing people of fanaticism btw lol.

 

[Carol]

You call Federer fans stupid and then you type this lol?! Stop putting "mono" in quotes, you're embarrassing yourself. It's a real condition and typing "back" and "poor preparation" makes you look even more stupid. Keep telling yourself that's why people like me hate Nadal but I've already told you plenty of times this IS NOT the reason I hate him so you're 100% wrong and if you can actually read you'll see it was Fiero who derailed this thread and not me. You really should read some of the crap you type yourself too before accusing people of fanaticism btw lol.

Crap is what you, Fiero and someones else are constantly posting, stupid and embarrassing and ridiculous comments which are not going any place, only showing your hatred to one player who deserves more respect and admiration but your fanatism doesn’t allow you to see more far than your nose, pity!

 

[herios]

The crystal ball thread has been changed into a fierce Fedal war, like many others.
You guys are hopeless.

 

[Carol]

Nadal camp and their obsession with Roger's slam count.

Yeah, I’m sure that Severin Luthin wants that Nadal wins more GS and Novak’s coach’s too.....:lulz2:

 

[Front242]

Crap is what you, Fiero and someones else are constantly posting, stupid and embarrassing and ridiculous comments which are not going any place, only showing your hatred to one player who deserves more respect and admiration but your fanatism doesn’t allow you to see more far than your nose, pity!

I hate plenty more players than just Nadal just so you know, little miss perfect.