2018 Wimbledon Championships - Men

[monfed]

Note that there was no whining when Fed's projected 3rd round danger, Coric, went out. That seems a fair trade, (and equal "luck." For your buddy, Monfed.) You guys are becoming insufferable, including with the insults.

What has dull done to deserve luck at Wimbledon again? Oh right absolutely NOTHING. You should be grateful that mowgli has won 17 slams already. Biggest overachiever in the history of any sport let alone tennis.

 

[Carol]

You are worse than me. I was only calling Rafa a Peasant. You are calling him a monkey. Have some respect.

Don’t take it so badly,it was just an expression which means It doesn’t matter how your idol is dressing, he still is tacky. And when you have some respect to Rafa then ask respect for others

 

[Carol]

What has dull done to deserve luck at Wimbledon again? Oh right absolutely NOTHING. You should be grateful that mowgli has won 17 slams already. Biggest overachiever in the history of any sport let alone tennis.

Then what we can say about your dear mowgli having 20 slams already and getting three of them at 36-37 years old, are you kidding me big mouth?

 

[monfed]

Then what we can say about your dear mowgli having 20 slams already and getting three of them at 36-37 years old, are you kidding me big mouth?

 

[herios]

What has dull done to deserve luck at Wimbledon again? Oh right absolutely NOTHING. You should be grateful that mowgli has won 17 slams already. Biggest overachiever in the history of any sport let alone tennis.

You kept complaining that Rafa's draw is full of claycourters, I am seeing none of them in his first 3 rounds. Find something else to complain about because those allegations aren't true.

 

[Moxie]

At the risk of indulging in the poisonous: "Luck" is eventually divvied out amongst top players. Also, it isn't so much fallen into as "created." When you have a high seeding, because you have had great success, the draw can tend to fall away. Nadal and Federer both have earned their "luck" in draws. That's the way the draw works.

 

[monfed]

You kept complaining that Rafa's draw is full of claycourters, I am seeing none of them in his first 3 rounds. Find something else to complain about because those allegations aren't true.

There's not a SINGLE player who can take out dull till the QF unless you want to count Kukushkin and Herbert's as threats.

I guess dull is such an abomination on grass now that his tards think that even they are threats.

 

[monfed]

At the risk of indulging in the poisonous: "Luck" is eventually divvied out amongst top players. Also, it isn't so much fallen into as "created." When you have a high seeding, because you have had great success, the draw can tend to fall away. Nadal and Federer both have earned their "luck" in draws. That's the way the draw works.

LOL what? on a scale of 1-10, dull's luck is 11. If Fed had dull's luck, he would be sitting at 25 slams EASY. And that is being generous. Truth be told, if Fed had dull's luck, he would be sitting at 30 slams with dull not having a sniff of the slam record which mowgli and his blind tards like you dream about day and night.

 

[Moxie]

LOL what? on a scale of 1-10, dull's luck is 11. If Fed had dull's luck, he would be sitting at 25 slams EASY. And that is being generous. Truth be told, if Fed had dull's luck, he would be sitting at 30 slams with dull not having a sniff of the slam record which mowgli and his blind tards like you dream about day and night.

Based on what evidence? I'm sorry, but you keep exclaiming this. Across the years, the draws tend to even out. It's only a fanboy like you that whines and cries that the tennis world has been so unfair to Roger. Do a draw analysis across the years and show us that that is true. You won't, because you can't. And every time some one like me holds your feet to the fire on false claims, you disappear. These things are not anecdotal...they're provable. Give it a try...go on. You also claimed that it was easier to dominate on clay than on grass. I asked you to come up with evidence for that, and you were really just talking Fedal. You can't just proclaim things because you want them to be true. Folks around here look for evidence.

 

[monfed]

Based on what evidence? I'm sorry, but you keep exclaiming this. Across the years, the draws tend to even out. It's only a fanboy like you that whines and cries that the tennis world has been so unfair to Roger. Do a draw analysis across the years and show us that that is true. You won't, because you can't. And every time some one like me holds your feet to the fire on false claims, you disappear. These things are not anecdotal...they're provable. Give it a try...go on.

Why don't YOU do a draw analysis and prove why his draws aren't a cake every single freaking time? Oh that's right you can't cause it's easier to disprove something by simply whining about stats which VB is expert at doing.

Here's a hint - Start with all the draws that Fed drew fakervic in the SF of slams and dull drew some nobody or Murray.

I'm not going to do your homework for you, foxy cause the world isn't blind to dull's cake draws. Not my problem if you get triggered by stating facts about dull's cakes. Get over it!

 

[Moxie]

The argument isn't mine. Do your own homework, otherwise, your complaint is baseless.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There's not a SINGLE player who can take out dull till the QF unless you want to count Kukushkin and Herbert's as threats.

Actually, Alex De Minaur has much better chances of doing the honors this year than Kuku and Herbie.

 

[Moxie]

Actually, Alex De Minaur has much better chances of doing the honors this year than Kuku and Herbie.

Why do you like De Minaur's chances? Just curious. They've never played. How do you see that match-up?

 

[monfed]

Actually, Alex De Minaur has much better chances of doing the honors this year than Kuku and Herbie.

I have no idea how he plays but I hope you're right! (preferably Kukushkin though). Wimbledon really needs to be saved from this clay vulture, that's for sure.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Why do you like De Minaur's chances? Just curious. They've never played. How do you see that match-up?

It is all relative; I am saying in comparison to Kuku and Herbie.

Alex's plus points are the following.

1. He is too young to know that he is supposed to revere Rafa and not beat him up.
2. They have not played each other.
3. Alex is having good feel for grass and won Nottingham (even though it is just a challenger) and was doing semi-reasonable afterwards.

The main negative point for Alex is that if he reaches 3R, he has already caused two upsets in a row and has punched above his weight. Expecting him to cause three upsets in a row might be little too much. But, he is all I have to hope for at the moment.

 

[Moxie]

It is all relative; I am saying in comparison to Kuku and Herbie.

Alex's plus points are the following.

1. He is too young to know that he is supposed to revere Rafa and not beat him up.
2. They have not played each other.
3. Alex is having good feel for grass and won Nottingham (even though it is just a challenger) and was doing semi-reasonable afterwards.

The main negative point for Alex is that if he reaches 3R, he has already caused two upsets in a row and has punched above his weight. Expecting him to cause three upsets in a row might be little too much. But, he is all I have to hope for at the moment.

Alright, at least the bolded is honest. And youngsters are always dangerous. As are players that one has never played before. I don't see him as the trip-wire for Rafa at a Major, but, hey, in the last several years we've never known where that would come. So feel free to keep your hope alive.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Now that the first round is over, it is time to check with the bookies again.

Here are current odds.

1. Federer 8/5 (38%)
2. Cilic 6 (14%)
3. Novak / Rafa 13/2 (13%)
5. JMDP 16 (6%)
6. Nick / Sasha 18 (5%)
8. Raonic 28 (3%)
9. Anderson 50 (2%)
10. Shapo / Stan 80 (1.2%)
12. Edmund / Querry / Isner / Nishikori 100 (1%)

Key changes / observations:

1. Fed's odds slightly improved.
2. Rafa and Novak are tied now and just slightly below Cilic.
3. JMDP moved ahead of both Nick and Sasha as he seemed to be in good physical condition.
4. We now have four contenders, four pretenders and seven players who will make naive betters poor.

 

[Moxie]

At least I will say they did the right thing and made Cilic the #2 option. Probably putting Rafa and Novak at the same odds is right.

Who is your dark horse at this point, to seriously win?

 

[GameSetAndMath]

At least I will say they did the right thing and made Cilic the #2 option. Probably putting Rafa and Novak at the same odds is right.

Who is your dark horse at this point, to seriously win?

The dark horse had to be Stan. Stan does not have much pedigree on grass and has done poorly in Wimbies of the past. But, the warm and sunny conditions suits him also. Besides, he has the knack of winning GSs when he is on no one's radar. Incidentally, if he wins Wimby, he would have accomplished Career Slam also.

 

[Moxie]

The dark horse had to be Stan. Stan does not have much pedigree on grass and has done poorly in Wimbies of the past. But, the warm and sunny conditions suits him also. Besides, he has the knack of winning GSs when he is on no one's radar. Incidentally, if he wins Wimby, he would have accomplished Career Slam also.

All good points, but I would not pick him. I think I'd go with Kyrgios. Is he ranked low enough to be a dark horse?