2017 Wimbledon Championships - Men

[Carol]

Jerzy Janowicz is like Nick Kyrgios' even crazier older brother.

@Moxie, I have no faith in Coric ever being more than a borderline top 20 guy, if that. To me he seems like another Tomic or, at best, someone in the Almagro/Simon range - which isn't bad at all, just not commensurate with his early promise, having reached the top 100 at 17. Despite winning his first tournament earlier this year, he's pretty much stagnated in the rankings for a couple years now. He reached the top 100 just a couple weeks shy of his 18th birthday, reached the top 50 in May of 2015 at age 18 and is currently ranked...#45, never having gone higher than #33. So no real movement in over two years.

Great players literally never stall out like that at a young age for as long as Coric has. Both Sampras and Rafa stalled a bit, but only for short times and then jumped quickly to elite status. An interesting comp is Richard Gasquet, who also reached the top 100 as a 17-year old (not long after turning 17, so a bit younger than Coric) but then stalled out around 100-150 for about a year and a half, before zooming up into the top 20 as a 19-year old. But then he stalled out again and never really got much better, although has spent some time in the top 10. Gasquet is what could be called a "tier 2.5" player - never as good as the Berdych/Tsonga (tier 2) types, but better than the Isner-Simon (tier 3) types. Not sure what Coric's upside is, but I'm guessing somewhere below Gasquet's.

Thanks to change the subject, it's about time to talk about others players before this could become on fire :bloodsucker1:

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Finally, tomorrow we have a match in which if Rafa loses AP won't be upset.

 

[Moxie]

Jerzy Janowicz is like Nick Kyrgios' even crazier older brother.

@Moxie, I have no faith in Coric ever being more than a borderline top 20 guy, if that. To me he seems like another Tomic or, at best, someone in the Almagro/Simon range - which isn't bad at all, just not commensurate with his early promise, having reached the top 100 at 17. Despite winning his first tournament earlier this year, he's pretty much stagnated in the rankings for a couple years now. He reached the top 100 just a couple weeks shy of his 18th birthday, reached the top 50 in May of 2015 at age 18 and is currently ranked...#45, never having gone higher than #33. So no real movement in over two years.

Great players literally never stall out like that at a young age for as long as Coric has. Both Sampras and Rafa stalled a bit, but only for short times and then jumped quickly to elite status. An interesting comp is Richard Gasquet, who also reached the top 100 as a 17-year old (not long after turning 17, so a bit younger than Coric) but then stalled out around 100-150 for about a year and a half, before zooming up into the top 20 as a 19-year old. But then he stalled out again and never really got much better, although has spent some time in the top 10. Gasquet is what could be called a "tier 2.5" player - never as good as the Berdych/Tsonga (tier 2) types, but better than the Isner-Simon (tier 3) types. Not sure what Coric's upside is, but I'm guessing somewhere below Gasquet's.

Bolded above is hilarious, even if it makes too much of JJ.

I get that Coric is probably destined to the mid-range. I'm missing @JesuslookslikeBorg, who was an early proponent of him. (JLLB has been a great scout of young talent over the years.) I think you could say that Roger also stalled more than a bit before jumping to elite status. Aside from injury, Nadal's trajectory was pretty fast and clean. I was actually thinking of Gasquet even before you mentioned him. And yes, I think Coric is less talented than Gasquet, but you never know where these players will find their water level.

 

[Moxie]

Finally, tomorrow we have a match in which if Rafa loses AP won't be upset.

If Rafa loses tomorrow, I'll eat my hat. Now, given that I already owe you a beer (on the Wawrinka-Dimitrov bet) one would think I'd be more cautious than that. Oh, hell, in for a penny, in for a pound.

 

[Carol]

Finally, tomorrow we have a match in which if Rafa loses AP won't be upset.

Keep going.......do you think that Roger will survive to Isner or Grigor? if he lose I know you are not going to be mad for sure. Let's go to wait for the third or fourth round......

 

[the AntiPusher]

Finally, tomorrow we have a match in which if Rafa loses AP won't be upset.

Quit trying to bait me, you know I would not favor DYjr over Rafa aka the KING SLAYER

 

[britbox]

Day 2 Pressers:

 

[the AntiPusher]

Keep going.......do you think that Roger will survive to Isner or Grigor? if he lose I know you are not going to be mad for sure. Let's go to wait for the third or fourth round......

I concur, this is the match Grigor vs Roger that should concern Fed Fans the most..if Grigor can stay on Roger's fh and produce some ATP Fed shanks , this is the real ambush of this tournament. Darth had better hope Grigor has his former Pussycat doll band leader to distract him this week.

 

[Moxie]

Keep going.......do you think that Roger will survive to Isner or Grigor? if he lose I know you are not going to be mad for sure

Carol, take a klonopin. Then drink a martini. Take a deep breath, and realize that the most likely man to win Wimbledon this year is Roger Federer. Why? For the exact same reason that the mostly likely man to win RG was Rafael Nadal. They are both back on form, and each on his best surface. There is a long way to go before the final weekend, so we all need to take a chill pill. Or at least some of us. But hurling preposterous claims doesn't make it more likely that Nadal will win. It only makes you look like a dick. #moodsuppressantsginOM

 

[Moxie]

@britbox If you can find a link to the Bernie Tomic one, that would be interesting. I couldn't, but it was shocking how sanguine he is about not caring about his career, and willing to just take the money and run.

 

[britbox]

@britbox If you can find a link to the Bernie Tomic one, that would be interesting. I couldn't, but it was shocking how sanguine he is about not caring about his career, and willing to just take the money and run.

I've found part of it.



Moronic comments about donating his money to charity if Roger and Novak do the same.

 

[Carol]

And be careful with Novak, even that "he has lost motivation" he doesn't skimp on to hire a couple of good coaches......

 

[Carol]

What's wrong with the Australian players? there are very good athletes in that country but the tennis payers don't look to be in the correct way, what a shame!

 

[GameSetAndMath]

It must be pointed out that Rafa had odds of about 10/11 when RG started. In other words, he had more chances to win RG, then the rest of the field combined. Rafa had about 53% chances and all other put together had 47% chances. That was the level of dominance of Rafa on Clay.

The same cannot be said about Fed. Fed has odds of about 9/4, which translates to 30% chances of winning. In other words, the bookies feel that there are greater chances (70% to be precise) that someone else wins Wimbledon 17 than Federer. So, if Federer loses Wimbledon 2017 it is not really a surprise as per the bookies.

However, Federer has the highest chances to win Wimbledon when compared to other individual player's chances . Next highest is Rafa with 20% chances. Then, Novak with about 17% chances and Andy with about 14% chances. Non Big Four members collectively account for the remaining 19% chances.

 

[britbox]

What's wrong with the Australian players? there are very good athletes in that country but the tennis payers don't look to be in the correct way, what a shame!

I'd be inclined to give Kyrgios a pass here. He was injured in the lead up to Wimbledon and clearly not fit. Maybe he shouldn't have played at all.

Kokkanakis - I take more positives than negatives from his recent matches. He's come back from a long injury lay off and is fighting his way back into the mix. I saw the end of the Delpo match (not an easy first rounder for anybody) and Kokkanakis was fighting tooth and nail for every point. It took Delpo 7 match points finally to close it out.

Tomic - Bernie is just a spoiled show pony. Don't have time for his antics. Entitled brat. Kyrgios fires off but at least he has something about him. Tomic is probably my least favourite player on the entire tour... you just feel like slapping him.

Millman, Groth - these are journeyman. At least they give it a go. Groth is a servebot without much game to go with it.

 

[Moxie]

I've found part of it.



Moronic comments about donating his money to charity if Roger and Novak do the same.

That was the bit I was looking for, thanks. Plus, the Navratilova/Cash weigh in was great, and I hadn't seen it. I'm sorry for Bernie's crappy dad, but he's a spoiled brat and is basically stealing people's money, if that's what he feels about being a performing monkey in tennis.

 

[Carol]

Carol, take a klonopin. Then drink a martini. Take a deep breath, and realize that the most likely man to win Wimbledon this year is Roger Federer. Why? For the exact same reason that the mostly likely man to win RG was Rafael Nadal. They are both back on form, and each on his best surface. There is a long way to go before the final weekend, so we all need to take a chill pill. Or at least some of us. But hurling preposterous claims doesn't make it more likely that Nadal will win. It only makes you look like a dick. #moodsuppressantsginOM

Sorry Moxie but you are completely wrong. First at all I don't know if you remember what Roger's fans said that if he would play RG he could win too, I've never say that Rafa is going to win Wimbledon. Second, you should say Roger's fans to take a breath and drink a martini instad to repeat again and again who is going to upset Nadal. Third, do you honesty would put some money on Roger to win Wimbledon? sure? 100%? that's my point, but I'm not saying that he is the not favorite to win, he is. And fourth, I think someone else looks like a dick and much more than that and very often

 

[Carol]

I'd be inclined to give Kyrgios a pass here. He was injured in the lead up to Wimbledon and clearly not fit. Maybe he shouldn't have played at all.

Kokkanakis - I take more positives than negatives from his recent matches. He's come back from a long injury lay off and is fighting his way back into the mix. I saw the end of the Delpo match (not an easy first rounder for anybody) and Kokkanakis was fighting tooth and nail for every point. It took Delpo 7 match points finally to close it out.

Tomic - Bernie is just a spoiled show pony. Don't have time for his antics. Entitled brat. Kyrgios fires off but at least he has something about him. Tomic is probably my least favourite player on the entire tour... you just feel like slapping him.

Millman, Groth - these are journeyman. At least they give it a go. Groth is a servebot without much game to go with it.

Millman at least has been through some serious injuries

 

[Moxie]

I'd be inclined to give Kyrgios a pass here. He was injured in the lead up to Wimbledon and clearly not fit. Maybe he shouldn't have played at all.

Kokkanakis - I take more positives than negatives from his recent matches. He's come back from a long injury lay off and is fighting his way back into the mix. I saw the end of the Delpo match (not an easy first rounder for anybody) and Kokkanakis was fighting tooth and nail for every point. It took Delpo 7 match points finally to close it out.

Tomic - Bernie is just a spoiled show pony. Don't have time for his antics. Entitled brat. Kyrgios fires off but at least he has something about him. Tomic is probably my least favourite player on the entire tour... you just feel like slapping him.

Millman, Groth - these are journeyman. At least they give it a go. Groth is a servebot without much game to go with it.

Well distinguished between the various Aussie players. No need to paint them all by the same brush. I think we're all sorry that Nick wasn't fit to play Wimbledon, and also we're glad to see that Kokkinakis is back in the mix. Hard fought match today between the two wounded warriors.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I'd be inclined to give Kyrgios a pass here. He was injured in the lead up to Wimbledon and clearly not fit. Maybe he shouldn't have played at all.

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Sure, we can give Kyrgios a pass here. However, Kyrgios has the same problem of "being bored' in matches often and he has even said in interviews sometimes he would rather be on basketball court and things like that. So, while more talented, he has attitude issues as well. In fact NK was fined for lack of effort in a match.

TK is the best of the pack attitude wise.