2017 Australian Open Day 2: Tuesday, Jan 17 - Order of Play

[Carol]

I rather to see what the ten top players are going to play after the third round though someones have easier opponents than others

You just can't help yourself, can you. :s

So in your opinion every top player have the same tough way to reach the QF? sorry but you seem to be the one that you can't help yourself :huh:

 

[El Dude]

LOL, so predictable - always assuming. I didn't say anything other than point out that you always find a way to dig at Roger, yet you're always on the defensive about Rafa. How about a bit of self-awareness, dear Carol?

 

[Carol]

LOL, so predictable - always assuming. I didn't say anything other than point out that you always find a way to dig at Roger, yet you're always on the defensive about Rafa. How about a bit of self-awareness, dear Carol?

Do you see? you always are thinking that I'm talking about Roger. I was referring to Novak that maybe his tougher oponente could be Dimitrov if this one would reach the semis and playing still well which I doubt it .But now that you have mentioned Roger (too bad :snicker) who is his next opponent?....do you know him? and about Nishi....he is more out than in in this tournament, I would very surprised if he would pass the next round

 

[El Dude]

I don't know Noah Rubin personally, but I have heard of him - only because I keep track of young players. And yes, Roger has an easy first two rounds, although very difficult from 3R on. Tomas Berdych, Kei Nishikori, Andy Murray, then Stanimal/Kyrgios/Cilic/Tsonga is a deadly path to a final. I don't expect Roger to make it past the QF, and maybe not even get there.

My apologies if you were talking about Novak. I guess he is the other guy you like to dig at . I just don't understand why people need to attack other players to support their own favorite.

 

[Carol]

I don't know Noah Rubin personally, but I have heard of him - only because I keep track of young players. And yes, Roger has an easy first two rounds, although very difficult from 3R on. Tomas Berdych, Kei Nishikori, Andy Murray, then Stanimal/Kyrgios/Cilic/Tsonga is a deadly path to a final. I don't expect Roger to make it past the QF, and maybe not even get there.

My apologies if you were talking about Novak. I guess he is the other guy you like to dig at . I just don't understand why people need to attack other players to support their own favorite.

I've never understood either but I' m learning little by little for the ones which use to do it attacking and critizing the player who has beaten their fav several times and wishing that he lose against anyone.
And again, I'm talking about the draw and I don' think I'm wrong to say that Novak has reached the easier draw but maybe for you and others he got the tougher one, whatever

 

[El Dude]

To be honest, I haven't compared and contrasted Novak's and Rafa's draw. But looking at it, Rafa's first week isn't too tough, except for Zverev. Mayer, Baghdatis, Zverev/Tiafoe, then probably Monfils.

Novak's? Verdasco, Istomin, Edmund/Busta, then probably Dimitrov or maybe Gasquet.

I'm not seeing a vastly easier draw for Novak than Rafa. Verdasco is tougher than Mayer. Baghdatis and Istomin are close, although I suppose Baggy is harder. So let's call the first two rounds even. Then, Tiafoe would be much easier than Edmund or Busta, and Zverev a bit harder. So we'll have to see. But even so, Busta and Edmund are both rising. Finally, Monfils vs. Dimitrov/Gasquet. Again, about even - although Monfils and Dimi are wildcards.

So yeah...if there is a difference, it isn't much.

 

[mightyjeditribble]

he should consider retirement for good, his body refuses to play tennis again

I think you may mean Haas, not Haase? IIRC Haas is retiring at the end of the year. Shame to see him retire in his final AO match.

I was talking about Haase (and not Haas) against Zeverev

I know you were, but I suspect isabelle wasn't - unless Haase has some debilitating health problems I am not aware of? :huh:

 

[herios]

To be honest, I haven't compared and contrasted Novak's and Rafa's draw. But looking at it, Rafa's first week isn't too tough, except for Zverev. Mayer, Baghdatis, Zverev/Tiafoe, then probably Monfils.

Novak's? Verdasco, Istomin, Edmund/Busta, then probably Dimitrov or maybe Gasquet.

I'm not seeing a vastly easier draw for Novak than Rafa. Verdasco is tougher than Mayer. Baghdatis and Istomin are close, although I suppose Baggy is harder.

Istomin and Baghdatis are not close these days.
Istomin is ranked 117 and Baggy 36.

 

[El Dude]

Yes, true, but that's a nitpick from the overall point, which is that Rafa doesn't have it that much harder than Novak, at least in the first week.

To put it another way, here are their opponents, with the highest ranked listed for future possible matches:

NADAL: F Mayer 49, Baghdatis 36, A Zverev 24, Bautista Agut 13
DJOKOVIC: Verdasco 40, Istomin 117, Carreno Busta 31, Dimitrov 15

Here's a numeric representation of how I see the difficulty of opponents. Verdasco is slightly more challenging than Mayer (+1 Novak), Baghdatis solidly more challenging than Istomin (+2 Rafa), Zverev slightly more challenging than Carreno Busta (+1 Rafa), Dimitrov slightly more challenging than Bautista Agut (+1 Novak).

The totals would be +2 Novak, +3 Rafa, so a slightly more difficult draw for Novak - but it isn't huge.

 

[Front242]

Absolute shame about Haas but was relieved to read it wasn't an injury and just an illness. Still sucks though. Hope we still get to see him play some good tennis this year.

 

[Carol]

Yes, true, but that's a nitpick from the overall point, which is that Rafa doesn't have it that much harder than Novak, at least in the first week.

To put it another way, here are their opponents, with the highest ranked listed for future possible matches:

NADAL: F Mayer 49, Baghdatis 36, A Zverev 24, Bautista Agut 13
DJOKOVIC: Verdasco 40, Istomin 117, Carreno Busta 31, Dimitrov 15

Here's a numeric representation of how I see the difficulty of opponents. Verdasco is slightly more challenging than Mayer (+1 Novak), Baghdatis solidly more challenging than Istomin (+2 Rafa), Zverev slightly more challenging than Carreno Busta (+1 Rafa), Dimitrov slightly more challenging than Bautista Agut (+1 Novak).

The totals would be +2 Novak, +3 Rafa, so a slightly more difficult draw for Novak - but it isn't huge.

Come on Dude, try to be a little more fair, first at all we all know that Verdasco rarely beats the top guys and also not so top. Baghdatis and Zverev are infinitely better than Istomin and Bautista Agut until now has better results than Carreno. Dimitrov is playing better but he is too unpredictable so to say that Novak's draw is more dificult than Nadal's sounds a little bit more "partiality" than anything else

 

[El Dude]

Carol, I am a fan of neither Novak or Rafa, nor do I dislike either one, so why would be partial to Novak over Rafa?

You are the most biased fan on this message board, you realize that, right?

Anyhow, you have to line the opponents up by round:

Verdasco vs. Mayer (slight edge to Verdasco/Novak)
Istomin vs. Baghdatis (solid edge to Baggy/Rafa, as herios corrected me...but not "infinitely")
Carreno Busta vs. Zverev (slight edge to Z/Rafa)
Dimitrov vs. Bautista Agut (slight edge to D/Novak)

Again, Rafa has a harder draw but it isn't by much.

 

[the AntiPusher]

One day some of us that live in the US are gonna have to meet up..this competitive banter is interesting but sometimes hilariously addicting

 

[Carol]

Carol, I am a fan of neither Novak or Rafa, nor do I dislike either one, so why would be partial to Novak over Rafa?

You are the most biased fan on this message board, you realize that, right?

Anyhow, you have to line the opponents up by round:

Verdasco vs. Mayer (slight edge to Verdasco/Novak)
Istomin vs. Baghdatis (solid edge to Baggy/Rafa, as herios corrected me...but not "infinitely")
Carreno Busta vs. Zverev (slight edge to Z/Rafa)
Dimitrov vs. Bautista Agut (slight edge to D/Novak)

Again, Rafa has a harder draw but it isn't by much.

This is not the first time that you say I am the most biased fan on this blog and that tells me that you are very parcial because there are others worse than me but you like to ignore them because they are fans of the same player like you so who cares what they say or how much biased fans they are, isn't?. And about the draw you are one of the few people are thinking that way, maybe the rest of the world are as biased as me? unbelievable......

 

[El Dude]

I can think of one Roger fan who clearly hates Rafa more than you hate Roger, but he isn't as blindly biased for Roger as you are for Rafa. Sorry, Carol.

As for the draw, we both agree that Novak has a better draw. But it seems we disagree on how much better. I saw it is just a bit better, you seem to think Rafa has to face peak Pancho, Hoad, Laver, and Rosewall in a row.

 

[the AntiPusher]

I can think of one Roger fan who clearly hates Rafa more than you hate Roger, but he isn't as blindly biased for Roger as you are for Rafa. Sorry, Carol.

As for the draw, we both agree that Novak has a better draw. But it seems we disagree on how much better. I saw it is just a bit better, you seem to think Rafa has to face peak Pancho, Hoad, Laver, and Rosewall in a row.

Nah.you can't measure DarthFed's distain for Rafa in contrast to some Rafa fans dislike Fed. Darth would be okay if Rafa's parents would have never met..:laydownlaughing..You got to respect the guy.:clap

 

[Carol]

I can think of one Roger fan who clearly hates Rafa more than you hate Roger, but he isn't as blindly biased for Roger as you are for Rafa. Sorry, Carol.

As for the draw, we both agree that Novak has a better draw. But it seems we disagree on how much better. I saw it is just a bit better, you seem to think Rafa has to face peak Pancho, Hoad, Laver, and Rosewall in a row.

What?!:eyecup, come on, there is not any player in the Tour so hated as Nadal by most of the Federer's fans (not everyone). I don't have any reason to hate Roger but I can't see him through your same eyes, thoughts and taste, I've said many times that he is one of the best players of the tennis hystory though is not my fav and I don't think you have seen me criticizing him often or making jokes about him or accusing him of something so you should check more around the Rafa's haters before pointing the finger at me

 

[the AntiPusher]

I can think of one Roger fan who clearly hates Rafa more than you hate Roger, but he isn't as blindly biased for Roger as you are for Rafa. Sorry, Carol.

As for the draw, we both agree that Novak has a better draw. But it seems we disagree on how much better. I saw it is just a bit better, you seem to think Rafa has to face peak Pancho, Hoad, Laver, and Rosewall in a row.

What?!:eyecup, come on, there is not any player in the Tour so hated as Nadal by most of the Federer's fans (not everyone). I don't have any reason to hate Roger but I can't see him through your same eyes, thoughts and taste, I've said many times that he is one of the best players of the tennis hystory though is not my fav and I don't think you have seen me criticizing him often or making jokes about him or accusing him of something so you should check more around the Rafa's haters before pointing the finger at me

Agreed, Rafa is by far the most hated tennis player on the board and on the Earth..because of one single Fact , Rafa mastery over the Beloved One ( Federer ). Rafa did the unforgivable, he interrupted Swiss prince's coranation to be the alltime (undisputed Tennis King).. Rafa is The UnForgiven (one)..nuff said

 

[mightyjeditribble]

Come on guys!

a) Let's not paint all fans of any one player with the same brush. There are always fanatic "fans" - be it of Federer, Djokovic, Nadal now, Agassi, Sampras in days past, fans of certain football clubs etc - who take support of their player too far around to bashing their rivals. Yet I believe the majority of true tennis fans support their favourites, but want them to have to beat the best to succeed, and can appreciate and respect other players. I love the way Federer plays, while Nadal and Djokovic don't do as much to me, yet I can respect their considerable achievements.

b) I think we should all hold ourselves to better standards than "I'm not as bad as XYZ".

c) It's quite natural to see your own favourites' draws as more challenging than others, as you are more worried about their prospects ... but in reality it all pretty much evens out in the long run.

 

[Carol]

Come on guys!

a) Let's not paint all fans of any one player with the same brush. There are always fanatic "fans" - be it of Federer, Djokovic, Nadal now, Agassi, Sampras in days past, fans of certain football clubs etc - who take support of their player too far around to bashing their rivals. Yet I believe the majority of true tennis fans support their favourites, but want them to have to beat the best to succeed, and can appreciate and respect other players. I love the way Federer plays, while Nadal and Djokovic don't do as much to me, yet I can respect their considerable achievements.

b) I think we should all hold ourselves to better standards than "I'm not as bad as XYZ".

c) It's quite natural to see your own favourites' draws as more challenging than others, as you are more worried about their prospects ... but in reality it all pretty much evens out in the long run.

Yep, the big difference in this board is that if I say that I love the way Nadal plays while Federer don't do as much to me but I can respect his considerable achievements then I hate Federer.
And clearly in every single tournament the draw sometimes looks to be better for ones than for the others but I've always said that the draw is a paper and many things can happen like we have seen before and also we'll see.
And it's very easy to call someone 'blindly biased for X" but as the proverb says "it's easier to see the speck in someone else's eye that the beam in his own"