2016 Wimbledon SF: Federer vs. Raonic

[ftan]

I am just sad

Likewise. He really threw it away at 5-6 in the 4th. All the commentators said the same thing. Just hoping he's moving a lot better and fit enough to contend at the USO where he also has a ton of points to defend. Would be nice to at least see him tear everyone a new one at Cinci for the umpteenth time.

Yea he did and he even said it in his presser that he cant explain what happened there and is just mad at himself.
Maybe he would not have beaten Murray in finals, but he should not have lost to Raonic nono:nono
I am now 99% sure he will NOT get another slam. 1% is just because my heart doesnt want to be 100%

 

[Kieran]

But did you really want me to take you out on a date to Las Vegas :laydownlaughing

Well, I didn't think it would be a date, I just thought you'd give me loads of money to waste... :snicker

So you want dinner and you ain't going to offer me anything :eyepop

Alright, I think it's time to stop :cover

Just don't go sending me any pm's during the night... :ras: :laydownlaughing

 

[Front242]

I am just sad

Likewise. He really threw it away at 5-6 in the 4th. All the commentators said the same thing. Just hoping he's moving a lot better and fit enough to contend at the USO where he also has a ton of points to defend. Would be nice to at least see him tear everyone a new one at Cinci for the umpteenth time.

Yea he did and he even said it in his presser that he cant explain what happened there and is just mad at himself.
Maybe he would not have beaten Murray in finals, but he should not have lost to Raonic nono:nono
I am now 99% sure he will get another slam. 1% is just because my heart doesnt want to be 100%

Well, the Roger of 2014 or 2015 would've won this tournament with Novak gone but I personally can't see him winning another slam unfortunately. The knee surgery has clearly hampered his movement and screwed his chances here even if he made the final which would've been a very physical match and he's currently not fit enough to beat Murray. If the movement comes back I can see him reach another slam final alright but I don't see him winning it unless he's moving like the last 2 years and facing someone really quite far from elite. And that's a big ask 'cos this was a dream draw if not for his injury woes of this year and movement issues since then. Another major opportunity has been and gone and doubt he gets too many more like that.

 

[ftan]

Likewise. He really threw it away at 5-6 in the 4th. All the commentators said the same thing. Just hoping he's moving a lot better and fit enough to contend at the USO where he also has a ton of points to defend. Would be nice to at least see him tear everyone a new one at Cinci for the umpteenth time.

Yea he did and he even said it in his presser that he cant explain what happened there and is just mad at himself.
Maybe he would not have beaten Murray in finals, but he should not have lost to Raonic nono:nono
I am now 99% sure he will get another slam. 1% is just because my heart doesnt want to be 100%

Well, the Roger of 2014 or 2015 would've won this tournament with Novak gone but I personally can't see him winning another slam unfortunately. The knee surgery has clearly hampered his movement and screwed his chances here even if he made the final which would've been a very physical match and he's currently not fit enough to beat Murray. If the movement comes back I can see him reach another slam final alright but I don't see him winning it unless he's moving like the last 2 years and facing someone really quite far from elite. And that's a big ask 'cos this was a dream draw if not for his injury woes of this year and movement issues since then. Another major opportunity has been and gone and doubt he gets too many more like that.

Sadly it's the truth and it hurts

 

[DarthFed]

Yeah the grand slam ship has officially sailed. I figured last year's USO was it and sadly that looks to be the case. I can't picture him coming back next year and winning Wimbledon and his chances at this year's USO are minimal at best and AO and RG are completely out of the question at this point.

 

[DarthFed]

Too many spoiled opportunities the last 6+ seasons. Matches like today have become something of a norm though this was especially bad given who he was up against and the fact it was 40-0 on his serve at 5-6. No guarantee he'd have won the TB but it'd be tough not to give him the clear edge going into it.

 

[Fiero425]

Yeah the grand slam ship has officially sailed. I figured last year's USO was it and sadly that looks to be the case. I can't picture him coming back next year and winning Wimbledon and his chances at this year's USO are minimal at best and AO and RG are completely out of the question at this point.

If the rest of the tour ALLOWS Roger to hang in there; HE WILL! Still making a lot of money and the gutlessness of many so-called TOP players allow him to be in perpetual contention; even with absences due to injury! Milos took the 1st step today; lets see if he can hold onto this level for just 1 more match! :eyepop uzzled :nono :cover

 

[Front242]

Too many spoiled opportunities the last 6+ seasons. Matches like today have become something of a norm though this was especially bad given who he was up against and the fact it was 40-0 on his serve at 5-6. No guarantee he'd have won the TB but it'd be tough not to give him the clear edge going into it.

He's was serving at 81% first serves before the double faults so it was inexplicable to have blown that game like that. If not for those doubles, had that serving % stayed like that he was clearly favoured to win the TB, given he won the other one 7-3. Major opportunity blown. I wasn't expecting him to beat Murray but at least give yourself the chance to win the title ffs. And of course you never know, maybe Murray against Roger might have been a nervous wreck.

 

[Fiero425]

Too many spoiled opportunities the last 6+ seasons. Matches like today have become something of a norm though this was especially bad given who he was up against and the fact it was 40-0 on his serve at 5-6. No guarantee he'd have won the TB but it'd be tough not to give him the clear edge going into it.

That can be said for more players than Roger! Top of the list w/b Murray in many major finals & failing miserably! :cover

 

[Front242]

Yeah but Murray doesn't have the same skill set as Roger who has clearly underachieved more than Murray has. Murray just isn't as good as the other "big four" and hence his losing record in slams. He'll win another on Sunday in any case.

 

[ftan]

Too many spoiled opportunities the last 6+ seasons. Matches like today have become something of a norm though this was especially bad given who he was up against and the fact it was 40-0 on his serve at 5-6. No guarantee he'd have won the TB but it'd be tough not to give him the clear edge going into it.

He's was serving at 81% first serves before the double faults so it was inexplicable to have blown that game like that. If not for those doubles, had that serving % stayed like that he was clearly favoured to win the TB, given he won the other one 7-3. Major opportunity blown. I wasn't expecting him to beat Murray but at least give yourself the chance to win the title ffs. And of course you never know, maybe Murray against Roger might have been a nervous wreck.

Thats what makes me mad n sad..we know he may have lost come Sunday, but this was one match he could and should have won..

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Too many spoiled opportunities the last 6+ seasons. Matches like today have become something of a norm though this was especially bad given who he was up against and the fact it was 40-0 on his serve at 5-6. No guarantee he'd have won the TB but it'd be tough not to give him the clear edge going into it.

He's was serving at 81% first serves before the double faults so it was inexplicable to have blown that game like that. If not for those doubles, had that serving % stayed like that he was clearly favoured to win the TB, given he won the other one 7-3. Major opportunity blown. I wasn't expecting him to beat Murray but at least give yourself the chance to win the title ffs. And of course you never know, maybe Murray against Roger might have been a nervous wreck.

Even if Fed has lost the (imaginary) TB in the 4th set, it would still be of significance as Fed would be serving first in the fifth set. So, every time Milos serves in the fag end of fifth, he will be under pressure of losing the match if he does not hold and would crack like Roddick did in 09.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Too many spoiled opportunities the last 6+ seasons. Matches like today have become something of a norm though this was especially bad given who he was up against and the fact it was 40-0 on his serve at 5-6. No guarantee he'd have won the TB but it'd be tough not to give him the clear edge going into it.

Yep, I concur; the ship has sailed. It is now four full years since Fed last won a slam. Pete had 2.25 years gap between his last two slams (although he deteriorated heavily during the gap). Off hand, I cannot think of anyone who has come back and won a slam after four years of gap (Dude can confirm this). If so, history is also against him.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Too many spoiled opportunities the last 6+ seasons. Matches like today have become something of a norm though this was especially bad given who he was up against and the fact it was 40-0 on his serve at 5-6. No guarantee he'd have won the TB but it'd be tough not to give him the clear edge going into it.

Yep, I concur; the ship has sailed. It is now four full years since Fed last won a slam. Pete had 2.25 years gap between his last two slams (although he deteriorated heavily during the gap). Off hand, I cannot think of anyone who has come back and won a slam after four years of gap (Dude can confirm this). If so, history is also against him.

Are you kidding me! Roger had control of the match, Raonic finally grew a pair and wrestled it away from Roger. Oh yeah, a Roger choked it away but played a fantastic match. Had Fed won this match he would have been a favorite over Murray, Berdych had no chance ever. Milos got lucky in the 4 set that's all otherwise the Beloved One would be playing for his 8th Wimbledon title.

 

[the AntiPusher]

Yeah the grand slam ship has officially sailed. I figured last year's USO was it and sadly that looks to be the case. I can't picture him coming back next year and winning Wimbledon and his chances at this year's USO are minimal at best and AO and RG are completely out of the question at this point.

I don't agree, it takes Novak 5 sets two years ago and 4 tough sets last to defeat Roger. Roger has always battled like a warrior and could have possible won a major each of the past four years that he made the finals in the grand slams. Rafa can't even make it to the 2nd week of most slams, that's the definition of a "Ship that has Sailed",IMO.

 

[lob]

Roger put himself through 4 years on the tour in his 30s with, as it turns out, nothing to show for it. Effectively he has been bringing in the crowds without being able to win anything worth his while. Yeah he has made money but he would any way have made it in some other way. I can't understand the contempt for him at this juncture. I have grown to like and respect Nadal and Novak. It pains me to see Nadal struggle in spite of his past gamesmanship. Appreciate Roger's presence gratis. Tennis won't get an artist, a thoroughly fair great and an ambassador like Roger anytime soon. The locker room knows this. Btw, also never understood hatred for Murray. Look at his recent call for attention to the futures players. The guy has had the misfortune of playing in the shadow of three monsters..

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[GameSetAndMath]

In the first set, Milos's conversion of break points is 1 out of 1. How did he get that. Fed got broken due to a DF. I can't remember the last time Fed threw a DF on BP. There is not much talk about this as it got eclipsed by his quadruple fault in 4th set. At least his DFs in the 4th set were not at BP. :cry

 

[ftan]

In the first set, Milos's conversion of break points is 1 out of 1. How did he get that. Fed got broken due to a DF. I can't remember the last time Fed threw a DF on BP. There is not much talk about this as it got eclipsed by his quadruple fault in 4th set. At least his DFs in the 4th set were not at BP. :cry

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[GameSetAndMath]

Yeah the grand slam ship has officially sailed. I figured last year's USO was it and sadly that looks to be the case. I can't picture him coming back next year and winning Wimbledon and his chances at this year's USO are minimal at best and AO and RG are completely out of the question at this point.

I don't agree, it takes Novak 5 sets two years ago and 4 tough sets last to defeat Roger. Roger has always battled like a warrior and could have possible won a major each of the past four years that he made the finals in the grand slams. Rafa can't even make it to the 2nd week of most slams, that's the definition of a "Ship that has Sailed",IMO.

If he cannot get the job done so many times in the recent past, the chances of him being able to do it in the future is very less. This would be the case even without any physical issues. Now, with the knee operation and recurring back issues, I don't see it happening for him.

What you are mixing up here is the fact that he has not deteriorated steeply like Pete. Roger will continue to be at least in top 8 till end of 2018 and at least be in top 16 till end of 2020. But, that is not to be confused with actually getting the job done at a GS.

 

[mrzz]

I'd be shocked if the last match doesn't affect him at all, that's why I'm leaning towards Milos. A few somewhat recent examples of really grueling matches Roger has played near the end of a tournament:

2012 Olympics: He had an absolute war with DP in the semis and then got blasted in the final by Murray on the same court he beat him on a month before at Wimbledon

2013 AO: he beat Tsonga in 5 in the QF's and then lost to Murray in 5 in the semifinals. Roger was fairly flat and was outplayed badly most of the match though he did hang tough and managed to steal the 4th set. But you could tell the tank was running empty in the 5th.

2014 USO: He rallied from 2 sets down vs. Monfils in the QF's and saved match points in the 4th similar to yesterday. He then was lethargic against a red hot Cilic and was routed in the semis.

So you can see that history is kind of against him here and those matches came 2-4 years ago when he hadn't just come back from injury. The only thing working in his favor is that this is grass and with Milos the points figure to be short. The Murray Olympics match was also on grass but that's a totally different matchup as Murray is a great returner and could force Roger into more extended rallies.

You were 100% right in this one, Darth. I was 100% wrong (or delusional) on the replies.