the AntiPusher said:
DarthFed said:
On paper Roger has no business losing to Novak or Rafa on grass even now. But I give credit to Nole, he was fantastic and took out a good version of Roger. Roger wasn't aggressive enough on his forehand, aside from that he was excellent. If Djokovic was his usual level on grass he would've lost convincingly.
And yes, Cilic was on fire, but Roger compromised his chances by laying an egg vs. Monfils. If he had full energy he could've at least made things more complicated for Cilic and if things got tight...who knows how Marin would've handled it. So I was more pointing towards Roger's huge drop of form starting in the QF of USO.
How can you say on paper Roger has "no business " loosing to Djokovic or Nadal on grass.Both players are far better movers and more consistent off both wings, Both players read Roger's serve pretty well although Rafael ROS is very poor against the current big servers on the ATP tour in my opinion to be ranked as high as he is.
Well with Rafa we are talking a match 6 years ago when Roger was still great and was big time on grass. Needless to say that's a weak loss on paper, we were talking someone with 65 straight wins on grass, wasn't that much worse of a mover than Rafa at the time, way better serve, way better net play, and a forehand every bit as deadly. Rafa's advantages in consistency and defense are somewhat neutralized there, one of the reasons he has lost to the 3 stooges the past few years.
With this past match with Nole it is a little more hazy. Roger isn't as good as he was but Nole has had plenty of struggles on grass heading into that match. Nole played tremendous to barely edge past a slightly above average Roger (for current standards). Even now I don't know if Nole moves THAT much better than Roger on grass, the latter still has a much better serve, net play, etc. Some of the things that means grass court success. Honestly I don't have much problem with Roger's play this past Wimbledon, it obviously was far from perfect but he fought hard and did a lot right.