2015 ATP World Tour Finals

[Busted]

Looks like Rafael has gotten a bit of a "stay of execution" being placed in this group. Let's hope he finally does something with it and if uncle Roger takes care of Novak.

I think it's more like Murray has gotten a stay of execution to NOT be in the same group as Roger. Somehow I knew Roger would end up in the same group as Djokovic and need to beat him twice to win the title. Murray says he needs to do better against Roger and Nole...well...now he won't need to do "better" until the final weekend when he'll most likely play Roger in the semis. That assuming he wins his group - which he should even if he's half asleep. We all know Stan only shows up mentally for 1 match per tournament - if that.

 

[Busted]

Is Nadal shrinking to go along with his lost game? Why does he look so short in this photo? He's taller than Stan, isn't he?

 

[Busted]

This is another one of your silly rants you keep going on and on about even when Federer fans have already told you countless times some of us actually like how Djokovic plays tennis as well. It's really not that hard to grasp and I can't be bothered to search for old posts as both I and others have told you this many times already. As for a 28 year old in a very physically demanding sport and in his prime not being at an advantage over a 34 year old in the final stages of his career, I pity your logic. I really do. You must love the movie Cocoon. It was fiction though, sorry. People do actually get older and slower. If Novak is so superior to Roger then why is the h2h 21-21 ? Why did it take till Roger got old for it to get closer ? Come on, I know you have a great reply to this one for us all. Why also is it still extremely tough for a 28 year old vastly superior (according to you) player to beat an old fart who could easily have retired by now? Again, I'm sure you'll come up with a wonderful enlightening reply full of great
factual and statistical brilliance to back up your claim.

It's not a silly rants it's a fact if you like it or not, if they would be the same age I'm sure Novak would have beaten before and now, he is just better player

Sorry to inform you, Carol but facts are real. What you're dreaming about is not. We can't teleport either guy back or forth in time to make them the same age so it's all just pointless nonsense you're spouting there. They're both great players and the fact that there's not much separating a 34 year old Federer from a 28 year old Djokovic completely contradicts the poop you're babbling on about. Federer's break point conversion is terrible for years and is accounting for a lot of the big matches lost but don't let facts get in the way of reality. I suggest you watch some matches from 2004-2007 and if you think Federer (who is still admittedly very good a lot of the time) now is the same as then, well you have issues. Major issues requiring a sight check and a reality check. In fact you contradict yourself constantly here. A few days ago you basically downgraded Novak's achievements in 2015 saying Federer's old, Nadal is lacking confidence, Murray's inconsistent, blah blah, etc. So using the Federer part, it was all down to him being old a few days ago and yet now today 'cos you forgot to take the blue pill you decided to type this as per above:

"And don't make excuses because Roger's age, Novak is better player than him in all the ways and probably is going to break all the Roger's records".

Yeah, makes sense. Always good to completely contradict yourself. :cover

This whole convo has me :laydownlaughing. You can't argue with illogical people. Time is NOT on Nole's side. He'll be 29 when next year's French Open rolls around. In order for Nole to break all of Roger's records he'll have to play at his current level until he's 32. Roger won his last Slam just shy of turning 31 and everyone acted like he'd just parted the Red Sea AND found the Holy Grail sitting at the bottom of it. Time is not on any of the top players' side. Considering the type of game he plays, which is very similar to Nadal's, who's to say Djokovic won't be a broken shell of his former self in a year's time just like Nadal? That kind of grinding game is going to catch up with him sooner rather than later. When that happens - I gotta remember to come back and check on what Carol35 is saying about it. Nobody can stop the march of Father Time. Not Roger, not Nadal, - and not Djokovic.

 

[Busted]

Really? that's is your opinion but this board is full of Federer's fans who are now in the Novak's wagon just for convenience and I don't understand why, Novak is playing much better than when Federer was younger, Federer is still playing well and Novak beats him every time they play each either. And don't make excuses because Roger's age, Novak is better player than him in all the ways and probably is going to break all the Roger's records so I don't finish to understand the hate to Nadal, it's sounds already like a joke

So, in a few years, let's see just what the probability turned out to be that Djokovic would break all of Roger's records --- allowing for the fact that already some are beyond his reach, but we'll take you at your word for the time being.

(Note: A few stats have not been updated since USO -- will be upgraded after YEC -- and *=continuing streak)

Most GS titles
1. Roger Federer 17 (career slam)
2. Pete Sampras 14
= Rafael Nadal 14 (career slam)
4. Björn Borg 11
5. Novak Djokovic 10
6. Andre Agassi 8 (career slam)
= Ivan Lendl 8
= Jimmy Connors 8
9. John McEnroe 7
= Mats Wilander 7
11. Stefan Edberg 6
= Boris Becker 6

GS finals
1. Roger Federer 27
2. Rafael Nadal 20
3. Ivan Lendl 19
4. Pete Sampras 18
= Novak Djokovic 18
6. Björn Borg 16
7. Jimmy Connors 15
= Andre Agassi 15
9. John McEnroe 11
= Mats Wilander 11
= Stefan Edberg 11


Consecutive GS finals
1. Roger Federer 10
2. Roger Federer 8
3. Rafael Nadal 5
4. Andre Agassi 4
= Rod Laver 4
= Novak Djokovic 4*
= Novak Djokovic 4
8. Jimmy Connors 3
= Andy Murray 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Björn Borg 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Ivan Lendl 3
= Mats Wilander 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Jim Courier 3
= Pete Sampras 3
= Rafael Nadal 3

GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 38
2. Jimmy Connors 31
3. Novak Djokovic 28
= Ivan Lendl 28
5. Andre Agassi 26
6. Pete Sampras 23
= Rafael Nadal 23
8. John McEnroe 19
= Stefan Edberg 19
9. Boris Becker 18
10. Björn Borg 17


Consecutive GS semi-finals
1. Roger Federer 23
2. Novak Djokovic 14
3. Ivan Lendl 10
4. Novak Djokovic 7*
5. Ivan Lendl 6
= Nadal 6
7. = Andy Murray 5
= Boris Becker 5
9. Roger Federer 4
= Rod Laver 4
= Tony Roche 4
= John McEnroe 4
= Andre Agassi 4
= Jim Courier 4
= Nadal 4


GS quarter-finals
1. Roger Federer 46
2. Jimmy Connors 41
3. Agassi 36
4. Novak Djokovic 34
= Ivan Lendl 34
6. Pete Sampras 29
= Rafael Nadal 29
8. John McEnroe 26
= Stefan Edberg 26
10. Boris Becker 23
11. Björn Borg 21

Consecutive GS quarter-finals
1. Roger Federer 36
2. Novak Djokovic 26*
3. Ivan Lendl 14
= Andy Murray 14
5. Rafael Nadal 11
6. Pete Sampras 10
7. Ivan Lendl 7
= Mats Wilander 7
9. Andre Agassi 6
= Rafael Nadal 6

All Four Slams in a Year
Rod Laver 1969

Three Slams in a Year
Jimmy Connors 1974
Mats Wilander 1988
Roger Federer 2004
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Rafael Nadal 2010
Novak Djokovic 2011
Novak Djokovic 2015

All Four Finals in a Year
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2009
Novak Djokovic 2015
Rod Laver 1969

All Four Semi-finals in a Year
Rod Laver 1969
Ivan Lendl 1987
Roger Federer 2005
Roger Federer 2006
Roger Federer 2007
Roger Federer 2008
Roger Federer 2009
Rafael Nadal 2008
Novak Djokovic 2011
Novak Djokovic 2012
Novak Djokovic 2013
Novak Djokovic 2015
Andy Murray 2011

Most consecutive matches won at one Grand Slam event:
1. Björn Borg (Wimbledon), 41
2. Roger Federer (Wimbledon), 40 (not 41 because walkover in 2007 not counted)
= Roger Federer (US Open), 40 (not 41 because walkover not counted)
4. Rafael Nadal (French Open), 35
5. Pete Sampras (Wimbledon), 31


Most Grand Slam match wins
1. Roger Federer 297
2. Jimmy Connors 233
3. Andre Agassi 224
4. Ivan Lendl 222
5. Pete Sampras 204

Year-End Championships
1. Roger Federer 6
2. Ivan Lendl 5
= Pete Sampras 5
4. Novak Djokovic 4
5. Ilie Nastase 3
= John McEnroe 3
= Boris Becker 3


Most Year-End Championship finals
1. Federer 9
= Ivan Lendl 9
2. Boris Becker 8
3. Pete Sampras 6
4. Ilie Năstase 5
5. Bjorn Borg 4
= John McEnroe 4
= Andre Agassi 4
= Novak Djokovic 4
9. Lleyton Hewitt 3

Most Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer 302
2. Pete Sampras 286
3. Ivan Lendl 270
4. Jimmy Connors 268
5. Novak Djokovic 171*
6. John McEnroe 170
7. Rafael Nadal 141
8. Björn Borg 109
9. Andre Agassi 101
10. Lleyton Hewitt 80


Consecutive Weeks at #1
1. Roger Federer (1) 237
2. Jimmy Connors (1) 160
3. Ivan Lendl (1) 157
4. Pete Sampras (1) 102
5. Jimmy Connors (2) 84
6. Pete Sampras (2) 82
7. Ivan Lendl (2) 80
8. Lleyton Hewitt (1) 75
9. 11. Novak Djokovic(1) 66*
10. John McEnroe (1) 58


Year End #1
1. Sampras 6
2. Federer 5
= Connors 5
4. McEnroe 4
= Lendl 4
6. Nadal 3
= Djokovic 4

Most ATP Titles
1. Jimmy Connors 109
2. Ivan Lendl 94
3. Roger Federer 88
4. John McEnroe 77
5. Rafael Nadal 66
6. Björn Borg 64
= Pete Sampras 64
8. Guillermo Vilas 62
9. Andre Agassi 60
10. Djokovic 55
11. Boris Becker 49


Most Master Series or equivalent win
1. Rafael Nadal 27
2. Novak Djokovic 26
3 Roger Federer 24
4. Ivan Lendl 22
5. John McEnroe 19
6. Andre Agassi 17
= Jimmny Connors 17
8. Bjorn Borg 15
9. Boris Becker 13
10. Pete Sampras 11
= Andy Murray 11

Novak is on an extraordinary pace to be the all time Great

Forget Novak for a second - what strikes me is how few of these lists Nadal is on and how low his rank is on the lists he is on. Yet there are plenty of people who've argued that he's the GOAT and not Roger (side-eyeing John McEnroe, who DID finally come around this year). Seems to me that you should have to be a little more consistent at all the Slams and not just one. I get that the total number of Grand Slams goes a long way with some people, but Nadal's absence in so many of these categories is glaring. I'm kinda shocked that he hasn't demanded that the ATP play all tournaments on nothing but clay. :lolz:

 

[Fiero425]

IMO Nadal's been the weakest "GOAT" of all time! How many times do I have to remind people of his HUGE deficiencies? He's the clay KING; done, but what about the other majors? He's never defended a title off his beloved surface as well! He has as complete a career as any one, but when you look closely, you have to wonder and question the record! Roger and Nole have owned the #1 ranking between them with minor periods held by Raga! It doesn't look like he has any chance of catching up unless lightning strikes; so I can't see his #'s improving! He's just one Masters 1000 ahead of Nole and their H2H will change hands soon as well if Rafa can make it to Qtr's, semi's, and finals to meet him! ;-) :nono :eyepop

 

[Kirijax]

Just a little something I threw together:

 

[Front242]

Looks like Rafael has gotten a bit of a "stay of execution" being placed in this group. Let's hope he finally does something with it and if uncle Roger takes care of Novak.

If Roger's playing well enough to beat Novak on this court he's definitely playing well enough to beat Nads Most likely Novak wins the whole thing unless the court is miraculously much faster this year.

Best of five, I will still take Rafa

Good thing this is best of 3 so

 

[the AntiPusher]

If Roger's playing well enough to beat Novak on this court he's definitely playing well enough to beat Nads Most likely Novak wins the whole thing unless the court is miraculously much faster this year.

Best of five, I will still take Rafa

You said that in the Novak -Rafa match-up too before RG, hen Rafa was not even able to get a set

I think you misread my post

 

[the AntiPusher]

If Roger's playing well enough to beat Novak on this court he's definitely playing well enough to beat Nads Most likely Novak wins the whole thing unless the court is miraculously much faster this year.

Best of five, I will still take Rafa

Good thing this is best of 3 so

Isn't the final best of five format or did it change

 

[the AntiPusher]

IMO Nadal's been the weakest "GOAT" of all time! How many times do I have to remind people of his HUGE deficiencies? He's the clay KING; done, but what about the other majors? He's never defended a title off his beloved surface as well! He has as complete a career as any one, but when you look closely, you have to wonder and question the record! Roger and Nole have owned the #1 ranking between them with minor periods held by Raga! It doesn't look like he has any chance of catching up unless lightning strikes; so I can't see his #'s improving! He's just one Masters 1000 ahead of Nole and their H2H will change hands soon as well if Rafa can make it to Qtr's, semi's, and finals to meet him! ;-) :nono :eyepop

If Rafa is the "weakest "GOAT of all time as you say, can u explain the H2H Rafa over Roger

 

[the AntiPusher]

If Roger's playing well enough to beat Novak on this court he's definitely playing well enough to beat Nads Most likely Novak wins the whole thing unless the court is miraculously much faster this year.

Best of five, I will still take Rafa

You said that in the Novak -Rafa match-up too before RG, hen Rafa was not even able to get a set

U said that Novak would win RG,in the finals he got his doors blown during the big points by Stan

 

[Fiero425]

IMO Nadal's been the weakest "GOAT" of all time! How many times do I have to remind people of his HUGE deficiencies? He's the clay KING; done, but what about the other majors? He's never defended a title off his beloved surface as well! He has as complete a career as any one, but when you look closely, you have to wonder and question the record! Roger and Nole have owned the #1 ranking between them with minor periods held by Raga! It doesn't look like he has any chance of catching up unless lightning strikes; so I can't see his #'s improving! He's just one Masters 1000 ahead of Nole and their H2H will change hands soon as well if Rafa can make it to Qtr's, semi's, and finals to meet him! ;-) :nono :eyepop

If Rafa is the "weakest "GOAT of all time as you say, can u explain the H2H Rafa over Roger

Go ask John McEnroe! :snicker :angel: :dodgy: :cover :nono :ras:

 

[Carol]

IMO Nadal's been the weakest "GOAT" of all time! How many times do I have to remind people of his HUGE deficiencies? He's the clay KING; done, but what about the other majors? He's never defended a title off his beloved surface as well! He has as complete a career as any one, but when you look closely, you have to wonder and question the record! Roger and Nole have owned the #1 ranking between them with minor periods held by Raga! It doesn't look like he has any chance of catching up unless lightning strikes; so I can't see his #'s improving! He's just one Masters 1000 ahead of Nole and their H2H will change hands soon as well if Rafa can make it to Qtr's, semi's, and finals to meet him! ;-) :nono :eyepop

If Rafa is the "weakest "GOAT of all time as you say, can u explain the H2H Rafa over Roger

And the H2H over Novak and Murray having been so many times out of the court because his injuries and almost two years with a serious "mentally injury" like he says, which is even worse.
I can't believe that after this awful year some people are still so "concerned" about him like he would be the player to beat instead of to be more focused to the ones who are winning everything :snicker
But yes, I know, nothing is for ever, the good and also the bad things

 

[Kirijax]

Everybody has their weakness, a vulnerability, a failure. There are no complete almighty champions. That's what makes them so interesting. Sampras couldn't win the French, Agassi couldn't beat Sampras, Lendl coudn't win Wimbledon, Borg couldn't win the USO, Federer had a losing record against Nadal, and Nadal couldn't win the WTF or indoors. Federer's record despite his losing record against Nadal would seem to show that Nadal has the greater numbers everywhere else but he doesn't. Nadal's own failure is probably his own body and the way it kept breaking down on him. He may have the H2H record over Federer but Federer has the better, more consistent, overall record by far. Can't argue with the numbers.

 

[Carol]

It's not a silly rants it's a fact if you like it or not, if they would be the same age I'm sure Novak would have beaten before and now, he is just better player

Sorry to inform you, Carol but facts are real. What you're dreaming about is not. We can't teleport either guy back or forth in time to make them the same age so it's all just pointless nonsense you're spouting there. They're both great players and the fact that there's not much separating a 34 year old Federer from a 28 year old Djokovic completely contradicts the poop you're babbling on about. Federer's break point conversion is terrible for years and is accounting for a lot of the big matches lost but don't let facts get in the way of reality. I suggest you watch some matches from 2004-2007 and if you think Federer (who is still admittedly very good a lot of the time) now is the same as then, well you have issues. Major issues requiring a sight check and a reality check. In fact you contradict yourself constantly here. A few days ago you basically downgraded Novak's achievements in 2015 saying Federer's old, Nadal is lacking confidence, Murray's inconsistent, blah blah, etc. So using the Federer part, it was all down to him being old a few days ago and yet now today 'cos you forgot to take the blue pill you decided to type this as per above:

"And don't make excuses because Roger's age, Novak is better player than him in all the ways and probably is going to break all the Roger's records".

Yeah, makes sense. Always good to completely contradict yourself. :cover

This whole convo has me :laydownlaughing. You can't argue with illogical people. Time is NOT on Nole's side. He'll be 29 when next year's French Open rolls around. In order for Nole to break all of Roger's records he'll have to play at his current level until he's 32. Roger won his last Slam just shy of turning 31 and everyone acted like he'd just parted the Red Sea AND found the Holy Grail sitting at the bottom of it. Time is not on any of the top players' side. Considering the type of game he plays, which is very similar to Nadal's, who's to say Djokovic won't be a broken shell of his former self in a year's time just like Nadal? That kind of grinding game is going to catch up with him sooner rather than later. When that happens - I gotta remember to come back and check on what Carol35 is saying about it. Nobody can stop the march of Father Time. Not Roger, not Nadal, - and not Djokovic.

Maybe you are right but I would like to know why (like I said in my post below) most of Federer's' fans are still so worried about Rafa and so happy when he lose if according to you he never is going to reach the Federer's numbers, something doen't match so well ....

 

[herios]

Best of five, I will still take Rafa

Good thing this is best of 3 so

Isn't the final best of five format or did it change

It got changed a long time ago. The last year they played 3 of 5 was 2007.

 

[sid]

Good to see Andy has a good draw,hope he goes deep.

 

[Front242]

IMO Nadal's been the weakest "GOAT" of all time! How many times do I have to remind people of his HUGE deficiencies? He's the clay KING; done, but what about the other majors? He's never defended a title off his beloved surface as well! He has as complete a career as any one, but when you look closely, you have to wonder and question the record! Roger and Nole have owned the #1 ranking between them with minor periods held by Raga! It doesn't look like he has any chance of catching up unless lightning strikes; so I can't see his #'s improving! He's just one Masters 1000 ahead of Nole and their H2H will change hands soon as well if Rafa can make it to Qtr's, semi's, and finals to meet him! ;-) :nono :eyepop

If Rafa is the "weakest "GOAT of all time as you say, can u explain the H2H Rafa over Roger

And the H2H over Novak and Murray having been so many times out of the court because his injuries and almost two years with a serious "mentally injury" like he says, which is even worse.
I can't believe that after this awful year some people are still so "concerned" about him like he would be the player to beat instead of to be more focused to the ones who are winning everything :snicker
But yes, I know, nothing is for ever, the good and also the bad things

Please stop repeating this over and over again. Almost 2 years with a "serious mental injury" ? Really? Most players would be delighted to win 2 slams in 2 years. Then again it makes more sense when I revisit this photo :snicker

 

[Front242]

All jokes aside though, Roger has won 1 slam in the last 3 years, Rafa has won 2 in the last 2 years. Really not anywhere near as bad as you're making out. They all get old eventually.

 

[Carol]

Yep, it was clearly Rafa being one of the best players of the history has went through a very mentally though time but he is getting better and better, no doubts about it and wait... :ras: