2014 US Open Final: Nishikori vs. Cilic

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GameSetAndMath

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tennisville said:
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Today reminds me of the semis of 2008 AO.

Both Roger and Rafa were involved in the semifinals and everyone thought that they
will make it to the finals and it will be a Fedal final.

However, Novak took out Roger and Tsonga took out Rafa to produce an unexpected
final.

What are you talking about.Most people felt something was wrong with Fed and Novak would take him out. I also predicted Tsonga to destroy Nadal in that match actually as well

I hope Kei wins .He has played better players on his route to the final

Yes, with respect to Fed being taken out by Novak. Most people knew there was something
wrong with Fed especially when he went to 5 set against Tipsy.

Anyway, I should have said projected finalists instead of expected finalists in 2008.

But Rafa being blown away by Tsonga was unexpected.
 

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I don't want to derail this topic or anything, but can someone quickly please tell me what type of drugs Cilic was caught using last year? I mean, was it intentional? Did he know what he did?
 

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This is from the BBC rundown of both semis regarding Cilic's post match comment that it was the "best ever performance in my career."

Stephanie Siu: "It's a testament to the (now former) dominance of Federer that players say beating him is the "best ever performance in my career."

Lots of good stuff here http://www.bbc.com/sport/live/tennis/29010919
 

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TsarMatt said:
I don't want to derail this topic or anything, but can someone quickly please tell me what type of drugs Cilic was caught using last year? I mean, was it intentional? Did he know what he did?

There is a whole thread on it and I will bump it up for your reading pleasure.
 

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TsarMatt said:
I don't want to derail this topic or anything, but can someone quickly please tell me what type of drugs Cilic was caught using last year? I mean, was it intentional? Did he know what he did?

http://www.tennisfrontier.com/forum/showthread.php?tid=2922&pid=131279#pid131279
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
tennisville said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Today reminds me of the semis of 2008 AO.

Both Roger and Rafa were involved in the semifinals and everyone thought that they
will make it to the finals and it will be a Fedal final.

However, Novak took out Roger and Tsonga took out Rafa to produce an unexpected
final.

What are you talking about.Most people felt something was wrong with Fed and Novak would take him out. I also predicted Tsonga to destroy Nadal in that match actually as well

I hope Kei wins .He has played better players on his route to the final

Yes, with respect to Fed being taken out by Novak. Most people knew there was something
wrong with Fed especially when he went to 5 set against Tipsy.

Anyway, I should have said projected finalists instead of expected finalists in 2008.

But Rafa being blown away by Tsonga was unexpected.

Haha true , I expected Tsonga to win in a close 4 setter .Did not expect the result we got in reality . I think the worst scoreline Rafa has faced in a slam apart from DP in 2009
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
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I agree that Cilic's serves were more about placement than speed. I actually checked the
stats. Cilic's average first serve speed was 122 and second serve was 91. That speed is
fairly normal in ATP matches. Even his fastest serve was only 132 mph.

I think Fed was drained mentally going into the match due to the previous match.
More of a mental drain than physical drain.

Cough, excuse, cough.

The discussion we were having is about Fed not getting a read on Cilic's serves.
It has nothing to do with winning / losing the match and excuses.

Just bringing up some incidental facts about roger's quality of play, makes sense.

Don't get me wrong I agree, just feels like a pot calling the kettle black, but I guess your excuses came up organically in conversation...
 

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I think the question I'm more interested in is, "Do we think Cilic had to go through the ban, whether he actually did it or not, to get to where he is now? You know, to mature or whatever?" He hired Goran. He's been great all year. And he took advantage of an open draw here but validated it with a win over a not as great as he once was Roger Federer, who has been playing truly solid tennis lately though. But let's be real, Roger shouldn't have been in this semi anyways. Monfils outplayed him most of the night he just didn't have the mental fortitude. The Monfils match is actually why I was worried Fed would struggle with Cilic. Because Cilic has always been good, if not great. When he showed up in 2007 and 2008 I think we all thought he'd be a lot better than he has been. A chronic underachiever who got himself a former player who could get him over some mental humps. What's crazy to me is that Cilic is still only 25. Kei is 24. I feel like Cilic has been on tour a lot longer and he did turn pro in 2005 at 16 or 17, and Kei didn't turn pro until 2008 but Kei had some early success that I recognized him in 2008. Meanwhile, as said above, I don't remember noticing Cilic until 2007. Anyways, I guess that's neither here nor there.
 

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And now, I'm not totally shocked, but I'm sort of mourning the beginning of the end of the era of the big 4. This is literally the first slam final since the 2005 AO final (Safin v Hewitt) that a member of the big 4 (or future member) has not been involved. Which I'm sure most if not all of you, my fellow tennis lovers and gurus, were already aware of. The only other match would be the Djokovic v Tsonga AO 2008 final. But Djokovic was already top 5 and maybe the #3 seed there and had just been to the US Open final that he lost to Fed. If it wasn't a big 4 yet, I think it was a big 3 because Murray hadn't made it that high yet. In that 2005 AO final Safin had defeated Fed in the semis and Hewitt beat Roddick in the semis. They were the top 4 seeds but Hewitt and Safin were the 3rd and 4th seeds respectively. I've always hated that tournament because it really should have been a Fed v Roddick final. And while Fed would certainly have won it, Roddick never got closer to the AO final, because Roger did in fact beat Roddick in the two semis that Roddick made there in 2007 and 2009. I'm WAY off topic.

It's definitely a new day. It won't end the big 4's dominance just yet. They'll probably still be the dominant force over the next few years, though Fed may truly start to slip away the older he gets. It may become just a big 3 or we'll just have to do away with the moniker because Kei and Dimitrov and Raonic and maybe (hopefully) DelPo will be winning slams. But I do imagine Novak will remain the extremely consistent man we've seen him be the last few years. Rafa when healthy will still be a force to be reckoned with. And Murray will get back at it. Next year Murray will be more healed and most likely in his true prime, so we'll see what he does next year. Hoping Fed can find #18 still and hoping Nadal doesn't close the gap anymore. I say this because while the year isn't over, the slam year is.

Annnnddd... It looks like Serena Williams will finally have more slams than Fed for the first time since Fed tied her with his 2006 AO title at 7 slams a piece. He'd hit 8 a few months later at Wimbledon. She wouldn't get to 8 until the next year at the 2007 AO. And wouldn't get to 9 until the 2008 US Open, which was the slam that Fed got to 13 at. Anyways, that is if she beats Woz tomorrow. Here's to Woz having to wait at least a bit longer to show her ex that she don't need him anymore.
 
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tenisplayrla08 said:
And now, I'm not totally shocked, but I'm sort of mourning the beginning of the end of the era of the big 4.

Proclaiming "the end of the era" doesn't really count for much if we see Nadal in the AO and RG finals again next year, or if we see Djokovic win Wimbledon again next year.

The fact is, Djokovic hasn't won the US Open since 2011 :puzzled
And Federer hasn't won the US Open since 2008, and hasn't made a final since 2009 :puzzled
So instead of making the final they lost in the semis this time.....not much of a difference.
 

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tenisplayrla08 said:
And now, I'm not totally shocked, but I'm sort of mourning the beginning of the end of the era of the big 4. This is literally the first slam final since the 2005 AO final (Safin v Hewitt) that a member of the big 4 (or future member) has not been involved. Which I'm sure most if not all of you, my fellow tennis lovers and gurus, were already aware of. The only other match would be the Djokovic v Tsonga AO 2008 final. But Djokovic was already top 5 and maybe the #3 seed there and had just been to the US Open final that he lost to Fed. If it wasn't a big 4 yet, I think it was a big 3 because Murray hadn't made it that high yet. In that 2005 AO final Safin had defeated Fed in the semis and Hewitt beat Roddick in the semis. They were the top 4 seeds but Hewitt and Safin were the 3rd and 4th seeds respectively. I've always hated that tournament because it really should have been a Fed v Roddick final. And while Fed would certainly have won it, Roddick never got closer to the AO final, because Roger did in fact beat Roddick in the two semis that Roddick made there in 2007 and 2009. I'm WAY off topic.

It's definitely a new day. It won't end the big 4's dominance just yet. They'll probably still be the dominant force over the next few years, though Fed may truly start to slip away the older he gets. It may become just a big 3 or we'll just have to do away with the moniker because Kei and Dimitrov and Raonic and maybe (hopefully) DelPo will be winning slams. But I do imagine Novak will remain the extremely consistent man we've seen him be the last few years. Rafa when healthy will still be a force to be reckoned with. And Murray will get back at it. Next year Murray will be more healed and most likely in his true prime, so we'll see what he does next year. Hoping Fed can find #18 still and hoping Nadal doesn't close the gap anymore. I say this because while the year isn't over, the slam year is.

Annnnddd... It looks like Serena Williams will finally have more slams than Fed for the first time since Fed tied her with his 2006 AO title at 7 slams a piece. He'd hit 8 a few months later at Wimbledon. She wouldn't get to 8 until the next year at the 2007 AO. And wouldn't get to 9 until the 2008 US Open, which was the slam that Fed got to 13 at. Anyways, that is if she beats Woz tomorrow. Here's to Woz having to wait at least a bit longer to show her ex that she don't need him anymore.

Unlike you , I really enjoyed AO 2005..especially the semi finals between Safin vs Federer(one of the best matches Ever).. Safin was at his best for those two weeks and we all witness one of the sports real legends playing the game at its highest heights.
 

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All depends on whether you believe Cilic or not. I haven't heard of any concrete proof that he even took those prescriptions and that it is absolutely what triggered the failed test. We know everyone who gets busted will come up with something. Regardless this dude shouldn't even be allowed to play right now. The whole thing sets a dangerous precedent that people can get out of their bans so easily. Hope Kei destroys him.
 

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I haven't seen a shot struck in anger, this year. Been away buffing up the tan. Seriously, you'd wanna see how I glow. :cool: Been on an island in the Med, bronzing and pieballing the beach fare, drinking vino and hamburgers, and generally mooching about, tennis-free and chirpy.

So since I haven't seen any tennis, allow me to tell you what'll happen: it'll come down to serve, and if Cilic serves the way he apparently did against Roger, he'll win this one in three or four sets.

But I prefer Nishi. I love his attitude and I'm glad he's bookended his slam-year with strong results. I hope he wins, but I think Cough Drop takes it, and from all accounts, either one of them deserves it...
 

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NADAL2005RG said:
1972Murat said:
Judging by both performances today, Cilic wins this in 3 or 4.

Completely different opponent in the final :lolz:



I think it safe to say nothing will remain the same, as the opponent is completely different in the final :s


I am glad you are amused, but not too knowledgeable about the game eh?

First, Kei likes to hug the baseline and play attacking tennis. So does Roger. Cilic nullified that with amazing returns and ground strokes. Roger and Kei both serve around the same speed. Cilic punished Roger's serve severely, he can do the same to Kei. The serves that Roger was not able to put a racket on(and he is one of the best at nullifying big servers), Kei will not be able to put a racket on either, even though he might have more success if he gets second serves. Cilic did not give up the baseline against a guy who lives on the baseline. Kei likes to live there as well. Roger built his career on taking time away from his opponents, Kei is doing exactly the same thing. The only real difference in their game at this stage, besides the single handed/double handed backhand, is Kei is much quicker and prefers to finish the points from the baseline (even though his volleying improved immensely in the last year) and Roger will still look to come to the net whenever he can. Their mentality and approach to the game is extremely similar.

The qualifier was "today's performance", meaning the semis. Sure, Cilic admittedly played the best match of his career , that's why I qualified. If Cilic plays close to the same level as he did against Roger, the same things that bothered Roger will bother Kei as well.
 

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Change of guards or just USOpen owners nightmare ?

Vote for Samurai
 

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Mile said:
Change of guards or just USOpen owners nightmare ?

Vote for Samurai

I was thinking the same thing yesterday. The sponsors/advertisers who have poured countless millions of dollars into Federer and Novak must be inconsolable.
 

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I am picking Nishikori.. Kei has really stepped up his game this year and I would have to admit, he totally outplayed the world's former number in the Madrid finals. I think this one will go the distance, if so I will pick Cilic hoist the championship trophy.
 

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tented said:
Mile said:
Change of guards or just USOpen owners nightmare ?

Vote for Samurai

I was thinking the same thing yesterday. The sponsors/advertisers who have poured countless millions of dollars into Federer and Novak must be inconsolable.

Well, I think Uniqlo was happy that either way one of their guys was going to be in the final.

Nike? Not a happy camper.