2014 Roland Garros QF: Nadal vs. Ferrer

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Iona16 said:
It's been confirmed that this match will be on Lenglen.

It just bothers me that it'll be played at the same time as Monfils-Andy. That's the scheduling part I don't understand (and I know it was the same for the QF's today).
 

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^ That sucks as I'd like to watch both. A big putain de merde! to the tournament officials.
 

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Front242 said:
^ That sucks as I'd like to watch both. A big putain de merde! to the tournament officials.

This always ticked me off in slams that don't use night sessions (FO and Wimbledon), they schedule two quarter finals to take place at the same time. You're playing the quarter finals over the span of 2 days, 2 matches each day. How difficult it is to have them take place at different times so that we get to see all 4?
 

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Even today I was watching Djokovic v Raonic on ITV4 and missed Gulbis v Berdych as it was on at the same time, though I caught some highlights of the end. Really all you can do is move a 2nd tv next to the main one and watch 2 channels at once or two laptops or watch tv while periodically checking out the other match on a laptop but that's nonsense!
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
Iona16 said:
It's been confirmed that this match will be on Lenglen.

It just bothers me that it'll be played at the same time as Monfils-Andy. That's the scheduling part I don't understand (and I know it was the same for the QF's today).

It is a pain. I had to switch between matches today. Tomorrow I'll need to watch the Andy match in the lounge and Rafa's match in the study. That will be fun. The scheduling at RG is always a pain. I much prefer how Wimbledon arrange matches. Both these matches should be on Chatrier.
 

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I didn't see one minute of Gulbis v. Berdy today. I agree with all…totally aggravating.
 

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Just a thought,seeing Rafa is playing on Lenglen,it plays faster than PC...does this give a advantage to Ferrer?
 

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Off of scheduling and back to the match: Ferrer has been looking very sharp. He has every reason to fancy his chances. Broken said earlier that Rafa will raise his game for this match. I think this is right. He has been coasting a bit. Maybe David gets a set.
 

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fashionista said:
Just a thought,seeing Rafa is playing on Lenglen,it plays faster than PC...does this give a advantage to Ferrer?

Didn't realize the courts were different speeds but I guess it's hard (probably impossible) to keep them all exactly the same.
 

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Moxie629 said:
Off of scheduling and back to the match: Ferrer has been looking very sharp. He has every reason to fancy his chances. Broken said earlier that Rafa will raise his game for this match. I think this is right. He has been coasting a bit. Maybe David gets a set.

He'll lose a bucket load of points if he loses tomorrow. True of either guy obviously enough but Ferrer was always gonna have a hard time defending the final points from last year.
 

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Front242 said:
fashionista said:
Just a thought,seeing Rafa is playing on Lenglen,it plays faster than PC...does this give a advantage to Ferrer?

Didn't realize the courts were different speeds but I guess it's hard (probably impossible) to keep them all exactly the same.

I have been to Roland Garos many times over the years,to me Lenglen always plays faster than PC.
 

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fashionista said:
Front242 said:
fashionista said:
Just a thought,seeing Rafa is playing on Lenglen,it plays faster than PC...does this give a advantage to Ferrer?

Didn't realize the courts were different speeds but I guess it's hard (probably impossible) to keep them all exactly the same.

I have been to Roland Garos many times over the years,to me Lenglen always plays faster than PC.

A faster clay court suits Nadal. Higher bounce, less time for the opponent. Ferrer will be trying to cut off the spin, but he'll have much less time to do it.
 

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fashionista said:
Front242 said:
fashionista said:
Just a thought,seeing Rafa is playing on Lenglen,it plays faster than PC...does this give a advantage to Ferrer?

Didn't realize the courts were different speeds but I guess it's hard (probably impossible) to keep them all exactly the same.

I have been to Roland Garos many times over the years,to me Lenglen always plays faster than PC.

Interesting. Must say I've found the rallies entertaining in what I've seen of the tournament so far and the courts don't look that slow at all.
 

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Moxie629 said:
fashionista said:
Front242 said:
fashionista said:
Just a thought,seeing Rafa is playing on Lenglen,it plays faster than PC...does this give a advantage to Ferrer?

Didn't realize the courts were different speeds but I guess it's hard (probably impossible) to keep them all exactly the same.

I have been to Roland Garos many times over the years,to me Lenglen always plays faster than PC.

A faster clay court suits Nadal. Higher bounce, less time for the opponent. Ferrer will be trying to cut off the spin, but he'll have much less time to do it.

Point taken.I also agree with Broken's post,Rafa will raise his game against Ferrer.
 

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Interesting comments from Verdasco re: Lenglen

You lost after a very tough match. Did you have problems of like you expected to win the second set maybe? You put lots of energy. Did you have a lack of concentration after losing, after being two sets down in the beginning of the third? And do you think that Murray has improved on clay? How did you find his game regarding his chance for the tournament?

FERNANDO VERDASCO: Well, about the first question, I didn’t expect nothing about winning the second set or anything. You know, I was just trying every point to win, every point, next point, next point, next point. But I think I didn’t have my best day. He played better than me. He played very deep.

Also I need to say that the court, I didn’t like it. It was much faster than Philippe Chatrier, so for his flat shots was I think a good advantage. So it was you know, he had played I think very deep, very good shots, very good control, close to the lines, but the court was very fast compared to the Philippe Chatrier. Completely a different tournament. And I don’t think that one tournament like Roland Garros must have two courts that different. So for that part, I’m not happy at all.

And for my part, I didn’t play a good match, of course. I played short, many shots. He was able to step in, and he did it pretty well. He have also big part of his win he played well. And I cannot say like much more. I tried, I fight till the end, but it was not my day. He had a good day.

About his chances for the tournament, I don’t know. I think the favorite is still Rafa for me, and he will always be the favorite here, because the final is in the Philippe Chatrier, not in the Suzanne Lenglen. Like I said, it’s a different court. It’s a different tournament. One court from another. This court is much slower. So I think that it’s going to be different once he play in this court. We’ll see, but, yeah. I cannot really say nothing else.
 

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Cheers for posting that, Iona. A great insight and very surprised to hear they're so radically different in terms of speed.
 

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Front242 said:
Cheers for posting that, Iona. A great insight and very surprised to hear they're so radically different in terms of speed.

Surprising, actually. So the flatter ball hitter is favored in Lenglen? That doesn't help Ferrer. Nadal's ball will get up on him.
 

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Moxie629 said:
Front242 said:
Cheers for posting that, Iona. A great insight and very surprised to hear they're so radically different in terms of speed.

Surprising, actually. So the flatter ball hitter is favored in Lenglen? That doesn't help Ferrer. Nadal's ball will get up on him.

Ferrer hits a flatter ball than Nadal so if Verdasco's comments are true, the court will help him. Nadal's ball gets up on opponents because of top spin, not because it's flat.
 

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Broken_Shoelace said:
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Front242 said:
Cheers for posting that, Iona. A great insight and very surprised to hear they're so radically different in terms of speed.

Surprising, actually. So the flatter ball hitter is favored in Lenglen? That doesn't help Ferrer. Nadal's ball will get up on him.

Ferrer hits a flatter ball than Nadal so if Verdasco's comments are true, the court will help him. Nadal's ball gets up on opponents because of top spin, not because it's flat.

I think I was clear about that (Nadal's spin, not flat hitting.) Aren't you the one that says a faster court helps Nadal? Ferrer can hit flat, and get fast on a ball, but if the court is fast, and Nadal's ball jumps up on a less than tall Ferrer, doesn't that help Nadal, at least in the rallies? I would think the worry would be Ferrer returns, if Nadal is still serving puff balls.
 

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Moxie629 said:
Broken_Shoelace said:
Moxie629 said:
Front242 said:
Cheers for posting that, Iona. A great insight and very surprised to hear they're so radically different in terms of speed.

Surprising, actually. So the flatter ball hitter is favored in Lenglen? That doesn't help Ferrer. Nadal's ball will get up on him.

Ferrer hits a flatter ball than Nadal so if Verdasco's comments are true, the court will help him. Nadal's ball gets up on opponents because of top spin, not because it's flat.

I think I was clear about that (Nadal's spin, not flat hitting.) Aren't you the one that says a faster court helps Nadal? Ferrer can hit flat, and get fast on a ball, but if the court is fast, and Nadal's ball jumps up on a less than tall Ferrer, doesn't that help Nadal, at least in the rallies? I would think the worry would be Ferrer returns, if Nadal is still serving puff balls.

Actually, no you weren't clear. You said "so the flatter hitter is favored in Lenglen? That doesn't help Ferrer." It sounded pretty contradicting, and the part about the ball getting up was right after the flat part with no mention of top spin, hence the confusion. Of course Nadal's ball will get up on Ferrer as it's still clay. But, if Verdasco's account is indeed accurate (keep in mind different players say different things about the same surface/courts all the time), then the courts would give Ferrer a slightly better chance than he would have had on Chatrier (though not necessarily a great one).

Of course Nadal's balls will still kick up and he'll still have the advantage since it's on clay, he's the better player, and he's the favorite. But that seems like such an obvious statement to make that nobody would bother using it to preface their arguments, and understandably so.

As far as me saying Nadal would prefer a faster surface, you're putting words in my mouth and taking comments out of context. I mentioned that Nadal would likely prefer HARD COURTS to play slightly faster against NOVAK DJOKOVIC, as he can't hit through him on slower hards and can't get any cheap points on serves. This literally has nothing to do with playing Ferrer on clay.

"I would think the worry would be Ferrer returns, if Nadal is still serving puff balls."

Yes, and I would think I've brought up about a week ago ;)