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Looking ahead, Zverev and Carlos have given Jannik some help during the Sunshine Double, and Jannik only loses 600 points from Monte-Carlo and Madrid - so he's going to be #1 when he comes back, no matter what happens before Rome. Then he only has 1900 points to defend from Rome through Canada, as he struggled a bit last year during that time. Meaning, he only has to play on auto-pilot until the North American segment of the tour, when he's got a ton of points to defend (almost 6000 from Cincy to the end of the year).
 

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New ATP Top Ten as of Monday 31st of March,
Medvedev leaving the Top Ten, debut in the Top Ten in 2019

1. Sinner 10,300
2, Zverev 7,645
3. Alcaraz 6,720
4. Fritz 5,290
5. Djokovic 4,510
6. Ruud 3,855
7. Draper 3,780
8. Tsitsipas 3,410 (+2)
9. Rublev 3,400
10.De Minaur 3,335 (+1)
 

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ATP Race Top 8 after Miami ( Monday 31st Match)

1. Sinner 2,000
2. Zverev 1,665
3. Draper 1,540
4. Djokovic 1,510 ( +5)
5. Alcaraz 1,410 (-1)
6. Mensik 1,330 (+40)
7. FAA 1,195 (-2)
8. Shelton 1,110 (-2)
 

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New Career Highs on ATP Top 100, Monday 31st March,

15. Fils
24 Mensik
56. Halys
59 Fonseca
64 Comesana
73 Fearnley
 

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New ATP Top Ten, Monday 7th April,
1. Sinner 10,330
2. Zverev 7,645
3. Alcaraz 6,720
4. Fritz 5,290
5. Djokovic 4,510
6 Draper 3,780 (+1)
7 Ruud 3,765 (-1)
8.Tsitsipas 3,445
9.Rublev 3,440
10.de Minaur 3,335

New Career Highs on ATP Top 100
6. Draper
23 Mensik
31 Nakashima
39 Muller
61 Comesana
66 Bellucci
79 Diallo
95 Kopriva
96 De Jong
 
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New Top Ten, Monday 14th April,

1. Sinner 9,930
2. Alcaraz 7,720 (+1)
3. Zverev 7,595 (-1)
4. Fritz 5,280
5. Djokovic 4,120
6. Draper 3,870
7. de Minaur 3,535 (+3)
8. Rublev 3,530 (+1)
9. Medvedev 3,290 (+2)
10.Ruus 3,215 (-3)

Tsitsipas will leave the Top 15 for the first time since October 2018
 
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New ATP Race after Monte Carlo Monday 14th April,

1. Alcaraz 2,410 (+4)
2. Sinner 2,000 (-1)
3. Zverev 1,675 (-1)
4. Draper 1,640 (-1)
5.Djokovic 1,520 (-1)
6. de Minaur 1,485
7. Mensik 1,330
8. Davidovich 1,210 (+10)

9.FAA 1,205 (-2)
10.Shelton 1,120 (-2)
 
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New Career Highs ATP Top 100, Monday 14th April,
11. Musetti
14. Fils
54. Halys
60. Carabelli
64. Bu
83. Collignon
94. De Kong
 
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New Career Highs ATP Top 100, Monday 14th April,
11. Musetti
14. Fils
54. Halys
60. Carabelli
64. Bu
83. Collignon
94. De Kong
I like Fils and he’s definitely moving, but there’s aspects of his character I don’t like. I tend not to like brats in tennis and sometimes he’s a bit performative in that regard. He broke a racket against Medvedev. He’s done it a few times. Fine, rackets are cheap for rich boys, but actually win something with having before you act so disgusted with yourself when Medvedev is beating you. You’re not that, yet. He’s also an unimaginative player, which isn’t a character defect, or actually can be a strength - Monfils and Kyrgios have great imaginations and empty trophy cabinets - but I wonder if Fils is mentally that bloke who can go the next step and dominate top players.

We’ll see…
 
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New ATP Race after Monte Carlo Monday 14th April,

1. Alcaraz 2,410 (+4)
2. Sinner 2,000 (-1)
3. Zverev 1,675 (-1)
4. Draper 1,640 (-1)
5.Djokovic 1,520 (-1)
6. de Minaur 1,485
7. Mensik 1,330
8. Davidovich 1,210 (+10)

9.FAA 1,205 (-2)
10.Shelton 1,120 (-2)
Sinner might look at this list and smirk that he’d be much better off than the rest of them if he hadn’t been banned. It’s not a given though, nobody has stepped up since Aus and looked invincible. He may not have, either..
 

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Sinner might look at this list and smirk that he’d be much better off than the rest of them if he hadn’t been banned. It’s not a given though, nobody has stepped up since Aus and looked invincible. He may not have, either..
I think mentally he runs rings around most of the Top Ten, he dosent have the dips in his game, other players have, no player is invincible and can have 'bad days at the office' as we have seen in the past and the present., including Sinner
In saying that Zverev was in a good position to threaten the No 1 position, he has been struggling mentally since he lost to Sinner at the AO, apart from his game, it is the mental game that comes into play, our game is 80% mental, you can have a bad day tennis wise, though sometimes its the mentality of a player that gets them the win, in Zverev's case he has been struggling both mentally which goes hand in hand with his game.
 
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I like Fils and he’s definitely moving, but there’s aspects of his character I don’t like. I tend not to like brats in tennis and sometimes he’s a bit performative in that regard. He broke a racket against Medvedev. He’s done it a few times. Fine, rackets are cheap for rich boys, but actually win something with having before you act so disgusted with yourself when Medvedev is beating you. You’re not that, yet. He’s also an unimaginative player, which isn’t a character defect, or actually can be a strength - Monfils and Kyrgios have great imaginations and empty trophy cabinets - but I wonder if Fils is mentally that bloke who can go the next step and dominate top players.

We’ll see…
I think Fils has to learn to play 'controlled aggression' in his game, on both his fhand and bhand wings, instead of 'bashing the ball' he is a big unit and does move well for his size,
 
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One way I sort of subjectively differentiate non-great players - or players that aren't "super elite" (so right now, Sinner, Alcaraz, and Novak) - is by considering whether them not winning a Slam will be a disappointment.

In recent years, this has been true of Zverev and Tsitsipas. In my mind, they're disappointments because of their inability to bring home a Slam title. Meaning, they're good enough that it seems they "should" be Slam winners, but aren't. But guys like Fritz, Rublev, Ruud, Hurkacz, Berrettini? Not as much. Meaning, I think it would be a disappointment if Ruud and Berrettini didn't win a Masters, but not a Slam. I mean, it would be disappointing to them and their fans - but I don't think they'd be viewed historically as disappointments simply by virtue of not winning a Slam.

Similarly with players like Berdych, Tsonga, and even Ferrer. They aren't disappointments - I never really felt that any of them "should have" won a Slam. Could have? Sure, but not should. Tsonga came closest, if I remember correctly, and Ferrer had the overall steadiest career, but I can't see any of them as being disappointing. I would add guys like Raonic and Nishikori, or going back further, someone like Nikolay Davydenko. Raonic and Nishikori had somewhat disappointing careers, but more in that they didn't even win Masters; both (especially Kei) were far better players than literally dozens of guys who have won Masters in weaker eras (Portas, anyone?). Davydenko won a handful of Masters and even a Tour Final, but he never reached a Slam final and he was more in the vein of a David Ferrer: Very steady, but didn't wow people with flashes of Slam winning form.

Where am I going with this? Well, I sort of see Arthur Fils more in the category with Rublev, Ruud, Berdych, Raonic, etc - and NOT with Zverev and Tsitsipas. As of right now, at least. He doesn't look like a player that "should" win a Slam. He could...I mean, I don't think Marin Cilic was better than most of the guys mentioned in this post, but he won a Slam. But if Cilic hadn't, no one would have thought twice about it (except Cilic himself). In fact, if you look at the top 10 guys of the Big Four era, before Cilic won his, there were a half a dozen guys that could have been picked as more likely to win a Slam. In fact, before he won the 2014 US Open, Cilic was really half a step below guys like Berdych and Tsonga, and more with guys like Isner and Gasquet.

Fils is still just 20 and still improving. He made gains in 2024 and after a slow start, has done well in the last few Masters. If I were to guess who would be the next new Masters winner, he'd be near the top of the list. I think you could make an argument that aside from maybe Fonseca, he's the current Master-less player who is most likely to win a Masters at some point in his career - if only by virtue of having a lot more time than guys like Berrettini, Ruud, etc.

And again, not saying he won't win a Slam or two. He is definitely a possible Slam winner. I just don't seem him as a probable Slam winner like I do, say, Joao Fonseca or I did, Tsitsipas and Zverev.
 

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One way I sort of subjectively differentiate non-great players - or players that aren't "super elite" (so right now, Sinner, Alcaraz, and Novak) - is by considering whether them not winning a Slam will be a disappointment.

In recent years, this has been true of Zverev and Tsitsipas. In my mind, they're disappointments because of their inability to bring home a Slam title. Meaning, they're good enough that it seems they "should" be Slam winners, but aren't. But guys like Fritz, Rublev, Ruud, Hurkacz, Berrettini? Not as much. Meaning, I think it would be a disappointment if Ruud and Berrettini didn't win a Masters, but not a Slam. I mean, it would be disappointing to them and their fans - but I don't think they'd be viewed historically as disappointments simply by virtue of not winning a Slam.

Similarly with players like Berdych, Tsonga, and even Ferrer. They aren't disappointments - I never really felt that any of them "should have" won a Slam. Could have? Sure, but not should. Tsonga came closest, if I remember correctly, and Ferrer had the overall steadiest career, but I can't see any of them as being disappointing. I would add guys like Raonic and Nishikori, or going back further, someone like Nikolay Davydenko. Raonic and Nishikori had somewhat disappointing careers, but more in that they didn't even win Masters; both (especially Kei) were far better players than literally dozens of guys who have won Masters in weaker eras (Portas, anyone?). Davydenko won a handful of Masters and even a Tour Final, but he never reached a Slam final and he was more in the vein of a David Ferrer: Very steady, but didn't wow people with flashes of Slam winning form.

Where am I going with this? Well, I sort of see Arthur Fils more in the category with Rublev, Ruud, Berdych, Raonic, etc - and NOT with Zverev and Tsitsipas. As of right now, at least. He doesn't look like a player that "should" win a Slam. He could...I mean, I don't think Marin Cilic was better than most of the guys mentioned in this post, but he won a Slam. But if Cilic hadn't, no one would have thought twice about it (except Cilic himself). In fact, if you look at the top 10 guys of the Big Four era, before Cilic won his, there were a half a dozen guys that could have been picked as more likely to win a Slam. In fact, before he won the 2014 US Open, Cilic was really half a step below guys like Berdych and Tsonga, and more with guys like Isner and Gasquet.

Fils is still just 20 and still improving. He made gains in 2024 and after a slow start, has done well in the last few Masters. If I were to guess who would be the next new Masters winner, he'd be near the top of the list. I think you could make an argument that aside from maybe Fonseca, he's the current Master-less player who is most likely to win a Masters at some point in his career - if only by virtue of having a lot more time than guys like Berrettini, Ruud, etc.

And again, not saying he won't win a Slam or two. He is definitely a possible Slam winner. I just don't seem him as a probable Slam winner like I do, say, Joao Fonseca or I did, Tsitsipas and Zverev.
Where would you place Felix AA ?
 

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Where would you place Felix AA ?
I definitely see him as a disappointment. I thought he was going to be an elite player - not necessarily a great, but somewhere in the Thiem/Medvedev range. But he still hasn't won a Masters, and at this point, I doubt he ever will.

Some of that is due to over-expectation, but if you look at where he was at in 2019 -- finishing the year at #21 and only 19 years old - there was good reason to think he'd be an elite player. And n 2022, he seemed on the cusp but sort of fell apart.

I see him as a kind of lesser version of Zverev and Tsitsipas. We like to pick on those two, but they've had pretty damn good careers, even without the Slams. FAA has won a half dozen ATP 500s/250s, but that's it. He hasn't even reached a Slam QF since AO 2022.
 
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I definitely see him as a disappointment. I thought he was going to be an elite player - not necessarily a great, but somewhere in the Thiem/Medvedev range. But he still hasn't won a Masters, and at this point, I doubt he ever will.

Some of that is due to over-expectation, but if you look at where he was at in 2019 -- finishing the year at #21 and only 19 years old - there was good reason to think he'd be an elite player. And n 2022, he seemed on the cusp but sort of fell apart.

I see him as a kind of lesser version of Zverev and Tsitsipas. We like to pick on those two, but they've had pretty damn good careers, even without the Slams. FAA has won a half dozen ATP 500s/250s, but that's it. He hasn't even reached a Slam QF since AO 2022.

I think most of us (myself for sure at least) are victims of the highlights effect. I still (moderately) root for FAA and (moderately^2) expect him to take another step, but most of this expectation comes from the impression I get watching him on highlights. He hits every shot so perfectly, and is so elegant in his play (I mean, apart from the two hander), that you cannot help but feel that he will win everything in sight.

But, when you watch a complete match, you see the inconsistencies. Naturally I have seen a few, but the highlights effect does not fade. I keep waiting for that almost perfect player to show up. Of course he won't.

Obviously, each and every player will look much better in highlights, but IMO in FAA this effect is multiplied tenfold. He ticks all the boxes for the perfect highlights player. He hits big, he is reasonably aggressive, he has an almost perfect and very elegant technique, and has good athleticism. He is a victim of himself...

And I will always mention his unprecedented show of class and sportsmanship on that infamous scene with Draper.
 

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I think most of us (myself for sure at least) are victims of the highlights effect. I still (moderately) root for FAA and (moderately^2) expect him to take another step, but most of this expectation comes from the impression I get watching him on highlights. He hits every shot so perfectly, and is so elegant in his play (I mean, apart from the two hander), that you cannot help but feel that he will win everything in sight.

But, when you watch a complete match, you see the inconsistencies. Naturally I have seen a few, but the highlights effect does not fade. I keep waiting for that almost perfect player to show up. Of course he won't.

Obviously, each and every player will look much better in highlights, but IMO in FAA this effect is multiplied tenfold. He ticks all the boxes for the perfect highlights player. He hits big, he is reasonably aggressive, he has an almost perfect and very elegant technique, and has good athleticism. He is a victim of himself...

And I will always mention his unprecedented show of class and sportsmanship on that infamous scene with Draper.
I do like Felix and hope he at last wins a Masters or two, but I have my doubts. I think I mentioned here that one day I fell into a rabbit hole of watching silly Youtube videos with ATP players playing quiz games. Felix came across as very smart and cultured - he knew tennis history better than most, and he's also a musician (piano). But he also came across as...too nice. Like, I question whether he has the killer instinct.

Anyhow, he's the type of player that could have a late peak - maybe within the next year or two, he finds a passion to win and puts together a nice run.
 
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Where am I going with this? Well, I sort of see Arthur Fils more in the category with Rublev, Ruud, Berdych, Raonic, etc - and NOT with Zverev and Tsitsipas. As of right now, at least. He doesn't look like a player that "should" win a Slam. He could...I mean, I don't think Marin Cilic was better than most of the guys mentioned in this post, but he won a Slam. But if Cilic hadn't, no one would have thought twice about it (except Cilic himself). In fact, if you look at the top 10 guys of the Big Four era, before Cilic won his, there were a half a dozen guys that could have been picked as more likely to win a Slam. In fact, before he won the 2014 US Open, Cilic was really half a step below guys like Berdych and Tsonga, and more with guys like Isner and Gasquet.
I definitely disagree with your assessment on Cilic. He was a consistent player from 2014-2018. If not for Federer's resurgence, he might have 3 slams (like Wawrinka). Plus, he had made a slam semifinal in 2010 and 2022. He has approximately the same number of career titles as Medvedev and 200 extra wins over him. Let's not pretend Cilic is in the same breath as Gaston Gaudio. He isn't. Gaudio has less than half of the career titles and wins as Cilic, and never made it to the second weekend at any other slam. Cilic at least in the same tier as a del Potro, Thiem or Meddy (just look at the career stats).
 
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I definitely disagree with your assessment on Cilic. He was a consistent player from 2014-2018. If not for Federer's resurgence, he might have 3 slams (like Wawrinka). Plus, he had made a slam semifinal in 2010 and 2022. He has approximately the same number of career titles as Medvedev and 200 extra wins over him. Let's not pretend Cilic is in the same breath as Gaston Gaudio. He isn't. Gaudio has less than half of the career titles and wins as Cilic, and never made it to the second weekend at any other slam. Cilic at least in the same tier as a del Potro, Thiem or Meddy (just look at the career stats).
I didn't compare him to Gaudio, but to Berdych, Tsonga, and Ferrer. I don't think he was a better player than those three -- that he belongs more in that category than, say, Medvedev. Cilic won a bunch of titles, but most were ATP 250s.
 
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