World Tour Finals: Day 5, Thursday Nov. 13, Order of Play

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Thursday, November 13, Group B:

Afternoon Session:

Doubles — 12:00 P.M.
Nestor/Zimonjic vs Granollers/Lopez

Singles — 2:00 P.M.
Nishikori vs Raonic




Evening Session:

Doubles — 6:00 P.M.
Benneteau/Roger-Vasselin vs Dodig/Melo

Singles — 8:00 P.M.
Federer vs Murray
 

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Starting from today, for the next three days, the second singles match can be seen on old fashioned TV even by non tennis channel subscribers on ESPN2 in USA. They also carry the finals live.
 

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Do you mean from today, Wednesday, or from tomorrow which is referenced in your thread?
 

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shawnbm said:
Do you mean from today, Wednesday, or from tomorrow which is referenced in your thread?

I mean from Thursday, the day referenced in thread.
 

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Mad Milos has withdrawn, forcing Daveed Ferrer to stop counting his money and play.

Nishi was massaging his wrist against Federer - I wonder if there's any scenario that sees Ferrer go through to the semis... :plot
 

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Kieran said:
Mad Milos has withdrawn, forcing Daveed Ferrer to stop counting his money and play.

Nishi was massaging his wrist against Federer - I wonder if there's any scenario that sees Ferrer go through to the semis... :plot

Is there any scenario where Roger does NOT go through? There might be 3 guys with 2 wins.
 

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Masterclass broke it down here. I'm not sure if this means that there are any scenarios whereby Roger can't qualify, though...

masterclass said:
a. Essentially, if a set of players have played and won the same number of matches,
and 2 are tied, it is decided by H2H.

b. In the same scenario as a. but if 3 are tied, then it is decided by sets won. If one player has a better % than the other two, then he is ahead. If that leaves 2 still eligible, then their placing is determined by H2H. Anytime you have only 2 tied, it reverts to H2H.

c. In the same scenario as b. (3 tied), if all players have the same % of sets won, then it goes to game % won. They are ordered according to that, and then the same rules apply as described in b.

d. If 3 players all have the same set and game % won, then it goes to according to ATP ranking on Monday following Paris.

So in the scenario you describe, c. above will apply. Roger will win the group outright with 3-0 record. The other 3 will be 1 and 2 with equal sets (b). The player of the 3 with best game won % will be second in the group and the others will be eliminated. If two players have the same game won %, then the 3rd is eliminated and the player with that won the H2H will be second in the group. If they all 3 have the same game % then d will apply. The player with the best ranking will be second in the group and advance with Roger, in this case, Nishikori.

Respectfully,
masterclass
 

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I'm not going to calculate it but Roger would have to lose very badly to Murray and Kei would have to win very easily vs. Ferrer. I'm talking something like 6-2, 6-2 for both scorelines as an estimate.
 

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GameSetAndMath said:
Starting from today, for the next three days, the second singles match can be seen on old fashioned TV even by non tennis channel subscribers on ESPN2 in USA. They also carry the finals live.

These matches have been such dogs, I heard ESPN will be showing Australian Rules Football instead. :snigger
 

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Alright I went ahead and calculated :)

Fed is at 25-12
Murray is at 21-20
Kei is at 17-20

If Kei wins 6-2, 6-2, Roger will tie him in games by losing 6-2, 6-2. So my original guess was pretty decent.
 

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Happy to see Daveeed on court again, hope he can play a decent match vs Nishi
 

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Woof! Got a bit of a shock when I checked scores and saw Ferrer. Sad for Raonic. I'm guessing all Roger needs to do today is win a set and he's certain to qualify. Of course he needs to win his group to make sure he only meets Nole in the final..
 

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Yep that qualifies Fed, as for Murray he has to win no matter what because Kei would have the tiebreak. Roger still has plenty to play for, getting #1 in the group and to still have the slightest chance of finishing #1. I expect him to take out Murray pretty easily and start correcting that silly H2H.
 

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Nishi levels the match 6-4. He goes up a break in the decider 2-0