World Tour Finals: Day 3, Tuesday Nov. 11, Order of Play

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GameSetAndMath said:
Also, Andy is now #2 in the group pushing aside Kei to #3 (based on percentage of games won).

Hmm, not at this time. Kei is #2, and Andy is #3, because only he and Andy are tied, with same # of matches played and won, and if two players are tied, the next criterion is H2H. Kei beat Andy, so Kei is #2 at the moment.

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masterclass said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Also, Andy is now #2 in the group pushing aside Kei to #3 (based on percentage of games won).

Hmm, not at this time. Kei is #2, and Andy is #3, because only he and Andy are tied, with same # of matches played and won, and if two players are tied, the first criterion is H2H. Kei beat Andy, so Kei is #2 at the moment.

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Interesting. Hypothetically speaking, what if Raonic beats Kei and Roger beats Andy, both matches in straights, how will they separate the also-rans? Number of sets is tied, so it comes down to games won and lost?
 

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Kieran said:
masterclass said:
GameSetAndMath said:
Also, Andy is now #2 in the group pushing aside Kei to #3 (based on percentage of games won).

Hmm, not at this time. Kei is #2, and Andy is #3, because only he and Andy are tied, with same # of matches played and won, and if two players are tied, the first criterion is H2H. Kei beat Andy, so Kei is #2 at the moment.

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Interesting. Hypothetically speaking, what if Raonic beats Kei and Roger beats Andy, both matches in straights, how will they separate the also-rans? Number of sets is tied, so it comes down to games won and lost?

a. Essentially, if a set of players have played and won the same number of matches,
and 2 are tied, it is decided by H2H.

b. In the same scenario as a. but if 3 are tied, then it is decided by sets won. If one player has a better % than the other two, then he is ahead. If that leaves 2 still eligible, then their placing is determined by H2H. Anytime you have only 2 tied, it reverts to H2H.

c. In the same scenario as b. (3 tied), if all players have the same % of sets won, then it goes to game % won. They are ordered according to that, and then the same rules apply as described in b.

d. If 3 players all have the same set and game % won, then it goes to according to ATP ranking on Monday following Paris.

So in the scenario you describe, c. above will apply. Roger will win the group outright with 3-0 record. The other 3 will be 1 and 2 with equal sets (b). The player of the 3 with best game won % will be second in the group and the others will be eliminated. If two players have the same game won %, then the 3rd is eliminated and the player with that won the H2H will be second in the group. If they all 3 have the same game % then d will apply. The player with the best ranking will be second in the group and advance with Roger, in this case, Nishikori.

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^^ Thanks for that, masterclass, a true masterclass indeed! :clap
 

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