Wimbledon, Day 4, 2 July, Order of Play

[Kieran]

I'm not convinced by Murray, as I posted above. He's got to get through the big guns, and I'm not sure he can...

 

[Carol]

Muzz is playing well and strong, at the end his coach and been back injury free are doing a good job on him
Gooooo Muzz :clap

 

[DarthFed]

Regardless of draw Murray was always right up there as one of the top favourites anyway so don't think he needed any help. Besides last year's poor loss he's always done well in grass season.

Agreed, but it doesn't hurt. As he'll likely have to go through both Federer and Djokovic to win, it'll be useful to get to the semis without a long trial. Federer and Djokovic will likely have at least one good fight before the SFs. Andy'll be my favorite to win it.

Andy has a good chance but realistically Djokovic is the favorite here because he won't have to go through 2 of the big dogs. Any scenario where Murray and Fed play a long brutal match means the winner is probably at a disadvantage for the final.

Now if Wawrinka manages to get to the semi then all bets are off but I don't expect him to as he is just not as strong on the faster surfaces.

 

[Moxie]

I'm not convinced by Murray, as I posted above. He's got to get through the big guns, and I'm not sure he can...

And the big guns will almost surely have to get through him. Roger is playing confident and relaxed grass tennis. But if he gets to Murray, he will unlikely have the crowd support he had in 2012. Not that that really matters to Roger. But I think Andy has the chops to make it long, and I think that will get Roger. And if it's Novak in the final, he'll have to contend with a cheering section that could fit in a phone booth, once again, which doesn't suit him. I think Andy can take them both.

 

[Kirijax]

I think at this point the only thing Nadal fans have to look forward to is all the points Nadal will rack up over the second half of the season. So he'll probably end up around 5th or so and make the WTF. If he doesn't get injured as he usually does.

 

[Kieran]

Well, Nole will have to go through Stan, who actually looks quite relaxed and under the radar at this event, and Roger is getting on in years, I expect him to face a buffer sometime soon, but even still, I've found that Andy looked the part in both Oz and Paris, and then went away when he should have come forward. We'll see! I like your assessment too...

 

[Moxie]

Regardless of draw Murray was always right up there as one of the top favourites anyway so don't think he needed any help. Besides last year's poor loss he's always done well in grass season.

Agreed, but it doesn't hurt. As he'll likely have to go through both Federer and Djokovic to win, it'll be useful to get to the semis without a long trial. Federer and Djokovic will likely have at least one good fight before the SFs. Andy'll be my favorite to win it.

Andy has a good chance but realistically Djokovic is the favorite here because he won't have to go through 2 of the big dogs. Any scenario where Murray and Fed play a long brutal match means the winner is probably at a disadvantage for the final.

Now if Wawrinka manages to get to the semi then all bets are off but I don't expect him to as he is just not as strong on the faster surfaces.

Agreed that Wawrinka is the most likely one to take Djokovic down before the final. But Novak has some opponents that could make his days a bit long. Tomic maybe not so much. Anderson with the big serve, then Isner or Cilic, perhaps could cause some complications. Likewise, though, Wawrinka doesn't have a clear path. Kyrgios could get out of that quarter, though, and he likes to play the giant-killer.

 

[DarthFed]

I'm not convinced by Murray, as I posted above. He's got to get through the big guns, and I'm not sure he can...

And the big guns will almost surely have to get through him. Roger is playing confident and relaxed grass tennis. But if he gets to Murray, he will unlikely have the crowd support he had in 2012. Not that that really matters to Roger. But I think Andy has the chops to make it long, and I think that will get Roger. And if it's Novak in the final, he'll have to contend with a cheering section that could fit in a phone booth, once again, which doesn't suit him. I think Andy can take them both.

I'd expect Roger to have just as much crowd support as he did in 2012, possibly more. Why wouldn't he when you consider he is just older and Murray got the monkey off his back by winning Wimbledon. Face it, the Brits love him like he is one of their own!

If it shapes up it should be a heck of a match but Berd doo is a wild card in all this. Roger has dominated him twice this year but I still wouldn't call Berd an easy matchup and Fed is well aware that Tomas has won 2 straight matches at majors vs. him. Even if he just stretches Roger (or any of the next 2 opponents stretch him) that could hurt his chances in the semi.

 

[Moxie]

I think at this point the only thing Nadal fans have to look forward to is all the points Nadal will rack up over the second half of the season. So he'll probably end up around 5th or so and make the WTF. If he doesn't get injured as he usually does.

In spite of your outrageous optimism, Kirijax, I think we'll still be hoping for the USO.

 

[DarthFed]

Agreed, but it doesn't hurt. As he'll likely have to go through both Federer and Djokovic to win, it'll be useful to get to the semis without a long trial. Federer and Djokovic will likely have at least one good fight before the SFs. Andy'll be my favorite to win it.

Andy has a good chance but realistically Djokovic is the favorite here because he won't have to go through 2 of the big dogs. Any scenario where Murray and Fed play a long brutal match means the winner is probably at a disadvantage for the final.

Now if Wawrinka manages to get to the semi then all bets are off but I don't expect him to as he is just not as strong on the faster surfaces.

Agreed that Wawrinka is the most likely one to take Djokovic down before the final. But Novak has some opponents that could make his days a bit long. Tomic maybe not so much. Anderson with the big serve, then Isner or Cilic, perhaps could cause some complications. Likewise, though, Wawrinka doesn't have a clear path. Kyrgios could get out of that quarter, though, and he likes to play the giant-killer.

Anderson is zero threat. Simply not a good enough server to win on that alone. Isner's serve on the other hand can win by itself and a red hot Cilic could cause trouble for sure. It'd still be a mega upset if he's not in the semis. Isner might take a set and I don't see Cilic suddenly going all USO again.

On the other hand it would not surprise me if Stan lost in any of the next 3 potential matchups on grass. Without so much time to line up the ball he can get erratic. Of course Verdasco is erratic personified so that figures to be entertaining.

 

[Carol]

Andy has a good chance but realistically Djokovic is the favorite here because he won't have to go through 2 of the big dogs. Any scenario where Murray and Fed play a long brutal match means the winner is probably at a disadvantage for the final.

Now if Wawrinka manages to get to the semi then all bets are off but I don't expect him to as he is just not as strong on the faster surfaces.

Agreed that Wawrinka is the most likely one to take Djokovic down before the final. But Novak has some opponents that could make his days a bit long. Tomic maybe not so much. Anderson with the big serve, then Isner or Cilic, perhaps could cause some complications. Likewise, though, Wawrinka doesn't have a clear path. Kyrgios could get out of that quarter, though, and he likes to play the giant-killer.

Anderson is zero threat. Simply not a good enough server to win on that alone. Isner's serve on the other hand can win by itself and a red hot Cilic could cause trouble for sure. It'd still be a mega upset if he's not in the semis. Isner might take a set and I don't see Cilic suddenly going all USO again.

On the other hand it would not surprise me if Stan lost in any of the next 3 potential matchups on grass. Without so much time to line up the ball he can get erratic. Of course Verdasco is erratic personified so that figures to be entertaining.

I agree that Verdasco is erratic personified but you never know how his head could work anytime, if it's working well Wawrinka could go to the looker room and flying back to Swirzerland or wherever he lives faster than you think :snicker

 

[JesuslookslikeBorg]

dustin carried his halle2014 form into wimby (6-4, 6-1), i was checking his career and its surprising how poor he has been, ok maybe the 2 nadal wins were brown at the peak of his maximum but this is a 30yr old bloke with around half a dozen singles wins in majors and around 30 singles wins on the atp tour..good for him though, he was exciting to watch and made the match memorable..

nadal looked leaden footed and slow, as he frequently has this year. bet he plays some clay tourneys now after Wimbledon to try and enhance his morale.

 

[Carol]

I know that his is completely off of the topic but I'm watching the movie "World Trade Center" and it is bringing to me very bad memories, I was in NY at that time and thank God that my family and me did well
Then I don't feel so bad about Rafa loss, he can recovery of these bad times (he has not played too much due to his early exits so he can't be too tired ) he is losing some points but from now he doesn't have more points to defend so he will be able to come back stronger. This is not a drama, it's just a temporary tough time for him and for his fans but I'm sure we will have better times for sure

 

[Moxie]

I'm not convinced by Murray, as I posted above. He's got to get through the big guns, and I'm not sure he can...

And the big guns will almost surely have to get through him. Roger is playing confident and relaxed grass tennis. But if he gets to Murray, he will unlikely have the crowd support he had in 2012. Not that that really matters to Roger. But I think Andy has the chops to make it long, and I think that will get Roger. And if it's Novak in the final, he'll have to contend with a cheering section that could fit in a phone booth, once again, which doesn't suit him. I think Andy can take them both.

I'd expect Roger to have just as much crowd support as he did in 2012, possibly more. Why wouldn't he when you consider he is just older and Murray got the monkey off his back by winning Wimbledon. Face it, the Brits love him like he is one of their own!

If it shapes up it should be a heck of a match but Berd doo is a wild card in all this. Roger has dominated him twice this year but I still wouldn't call Berd an easy matchup and Fed is well aware that Tomas has won 2 straight matches at majors vs. him. Even if he just stretches Roger (or any of the next 2 opponents stretch him) that could hurt his chances in the semi.

Don't be expecting more crowd support, and I still stand by "not as much." In 2012, the Brits hadn't fully wrapped their arms around Andy, but after that runner-up speech, the Olympic gold, and the 2013 title, the floodgates opened. I'd wager that Roger could see his lowest support since facing Rafa in Spain. And you're making my point about Berdych...he doesn't have the best H2H v. Roger, but he troubles him in the big moments. And even a troublesome and long QF could influence Fed's SF.

 

[Kirijax]

I think at this point the only thing Nadal fans have to look forward to is all the points Nadal will rack up over the second half of the season. So he'll probably end up around 5th or so and make the WTF. If he doesn't get injured as he usually does.

In spite of your outrageous optimism, Kirijax, I think we'll still be hoping for the USO.

I'm trying to help my Nadal friends out a bit! You need some cheer!

 

[Moxie]

I think at this point the only thing Nadal fans have to look forward to is all the points Nadal will rack up over the second half of the season. So he'll probably end up around 5th or so and make the WTF. If he doesn't get injured as he usually does.

In spite of your outrageous optimism, Kirijax, I think we'll still be hoping for the USO.

I'm trying to help my Nadal friends out a bit! You need some cheer!

"If he doesn't get injured as he usually does." ?? Thanks for the cheer. :devil

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I am very impressed with DB's ROS today. Other aspects of his game such as thumping serve and net rushing are impressive, but well known. I did not expect him to do as good a job in ROS as he did today.

 

[DarthFed]

And the big guns will almost surely have to get through him. Roger is playing confident and relaxed grass tennis. But if he gets to Murray, he will unlikely have the crowd support he had in 2012. Not that that really matters to Roger. But I think Andy has the chops to make it long, and I think that will get Roger. And if it's Novak in the final, he'll have to contend with a cheering section that could fit in a phone booth, once again, which doesn't suit him. I think Andy can take them both.

I'd expect Roger to have just as much crowd support as he did in 2012, possibly more. Why wouldn't he when you consider he is just older and Murray got the monkey off his back by winning Wimbledon. Face it, the Brits love him like he is one of their own!

If it shapes up it should be a heck of a match but Berd doo is a wild card in all this. Roger has dominated him twice this year but I still wouldn't call Berd an easy matchup and Fed is well aware that Tomas has won 2 straight matches at majors vs. him. Even if he just stretches Roger (or any of the next 2 opponents stretch him) that could hurt his chances in the semi.

Don't be expecting more crowd support, and I still stand by "not as much." In 2012, the Brits hadn't fully wrapped their arms around Andy, but after that runner-up speech, the Olympic gold, and the 2013 title, the floodgates opened. I'd wager that Roger could see his lowest support since facing Rafa in Spain. And you're making my point about Berdych...he doesn't have the best H2H v. Roger, but he troubles him in the big moments. And even a troublesome and long QF could influence Fed's SF.

And Roger is closer to the end and is worse than he was in 2012, if anything there will be more support for him as he tries for one last good run at Wimbledon. The British warmed to Murray plenty before that and God knows how badly they wanted one of their own to win Wimbledon in 2012. Roger will have plenty of support, that won't make or break anything. Murray's serve will be the key IMO, if he serves well he probably wins.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Amazing Stat: DB served and volleyd in 99 of 114 service points he played. ie., 87% of time.

Also, when he served and volleyed, h won 71% of those points.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

There will be crowd support for both Andy and Fed. The crowd support will not be a significant factor if that match materializes.