Wimbledon 2014 final: Federer vs Djokovic

[Front242]

Well at least the umpire was good there and docked her a whole game.

 

[Front242]

No idea why she raced off but ridiculous either way. Wasn't exactly rushing back either.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

^^ Totally agree, and I'm not being selective, since I said that "all players use them". But I was also directly referring to the BS that goes on around here from Fedfans about Rafa doing these things - you might have missed that thread - when in fact, they all do it.

Totally agree about the two hours as well: Roger took a toilet break after 1' 34" on Sunday, and again after 3' 13". Novak did too. Players are using these comfort breaks as momentum breaks and disrupting the flow, and there needs to be a policy on it. I remember when the change of ends was every two games - and that included starting the next set immediately. Had that been still the rule, Nole would have had to serve immediately after losing the fourth, and the momentum Roger gathered could have been carried on.

They changed that rule, and I think they should have another look at these things, because part of the challenge of five set tennis is having to endure the shifts of fortune, handle the physical stress and benefit from any momentum you'll have gained by winning such a close fourth set...

Totally false. The first toilet break was taken by Roger after losing the second sets at 1:34. The second one that you are referring to at 3:13 is taken by Novak after losing the 4th set.

 

[Kieran]

^^ Totally agree, and I'm not being selective, since I said that "all players use them". But I was also directly referring to the BS that goes on around here from Fedfans about Rafa doing these things - you might have missed that thread - when in fact, they all do it.

Totally agree about the two hours as well: Roger took a toilet break after 1' 34" on Sunday, and again after 3' 13". Novak did too. Players are using these comfort breaks as momentum breaks and disrupting the flow, and there needs to be a policy on it. I remember when the change of ends was every two games - and that included starting the next set immediately. Had that been still the rule, Nole would have had to serve immediately after losing the fourth, and the momentum Roger gathered could have been carried on.

They changed that rule, and I think they should have another look at these things, because part of the challenge of five set tennis is having to endure the shifts of fortune, handle the physical stress and benefit from any momentum you'll have gained by winning such a close fourth set...

Totally false. The first toilet break was taken by Roger after losing the second sets at 1:34. The second one that you are referring to at 3:13 is taken by Novak after losing the 4th set.

Totally true, actually.

They both took a toilet break at the end of the fourth.

Get your act together, sonny...

 

[GameSetAndMath]

They both took toilet breaks after sets ended and were back in the due time so I dunno why that's even an issue. No momentum is broken when you're allowed a set amount of time between sets anyway. It's clearly a whole lot different to a break before your opponent serves for the match!

What about sitting on the potty until the sun has gone down? Would you agree with me that this is both hilarious and wrong?

What about taking a break after the first set. If someone takes a break after two or three or
four sets, we can possibly give benefit of doubt. On the other hand, if you want to go on
a break after just the first set, that is ridiculous. Stop throwing stones from glass house.

 

[Kieran]

They both took toilet breaks after sets ended and were back in the due time so I dunno why that's even an issue. No momentum is broken when you're allowed a set amount of time between sets anyway. It's clearly a whole lot different to a break before your opponent serves for the match!

What about sitting on the potty until the sun has gone down? Would you agree with me that this is both hilarious and wrong?

What about taking a break after the first set. If someone takes a break after two or three or
four sets, we can possibly give benefit of doubt. On the other hand, if you want to go on
a break after just the first set, that is ridiculous. Stop throwing stones from glass house.

Stop making it up as you go along, you prejudicial so and so. :laydownlaughing

YOU complained about players taking a toilet break before two hours had passed: now you want to change that to "two or three sets."

Why?

Er, because Roger took two of them, after 1'34" and 3'13" minutes of the final the other day... :lolz:

 

[Front242]

2 hours? Roger wins most matches in that time

 

[the AntiPusher]

Folks..this is much to do about nothing.. I don't know if any of you have played competively before(college, satelite or USTA 4.5 or higher), its not that big of a deal.. If a player has to go , they gotta go.. I think the extended medical time outs is really more of an issues since we are talking about Djoker.. I think it may have been around 2005(Monfils and Djoker were battling in the quarters at the US Open).. Djoker took about a 30 min break for breathing , then cramping.. It was the biggest abuse of a medical timeout anyone have every seen. A less than 5 min bathroom timeout isnt gonna hurt players just as a short rain delay. What you gonna do now, get upset with the Creator because 5- 10 minutes weather related delay of a few rain showers.. not much of a difference IMO

 

[Murat Baslamisli]

AP, I agree, as long as the nature call is at the end of a set, not during. Especially not before your opponent is about to serve for the match...:snigger

 

[Front242]

He's more likely to crap himself after losing to Roger than before anyway!

 

[the AntiPusher]

AP, I agree, as long as the nature call is at the end of a set, not during. Especially not before your opponent is about to serve for the match...:snigger

Agreed,, Hold it til its your service:snigger:clap

 

[Kieran]

He's more likely to crap himself after losing to Roger than before anyway!

He's more likely not to lose to Roger at all...

 

[GameSetAndMath]

They both took toilet breaks after sets ended and were back in the due time so I dunno why that's even an issue. No momentum is broken when you're allowed a set amount of time between sets anyway. It's clearly a whole lot different to a break before your opponent serves for the match!

What about sitting on the potty until the sun has gone down? Would you agree with me that this is both hilarious and wrong?

What about taking a break after the first set. If someone takes a break after two or three or
four sets, we can possibly give benefit of doubt. On the other hand, if you want to go on
a break after just the first set, that is ridiculous. Stop throwing stones from glass house.

Stop making it up as you go along, you prejudicial so and so. :laydownlaughing

YOU complained about players taking a toilet break before two hours had passed: now you want to change that to "two or three sets."

Why?

Er, because Roger took two of them, after 1'34" and 3'13" minutes of the final the other day... :lolz:

a. Rafa took toilet break after 0'56" against M. Kukushkin in the 3rd round
of this Wimbledon after losing the first set. That is not even 10 minutes
more than half of 1'34" that you are complaining about above.

b. I had already said in my OP on this that everybody abuses it; to make it explicit I
named both Fed and Rafa on it. Can't accuse me of being prejudicial on this.

c. Unlike other sports such as soccer, football, basketball etc which are dictated by
time, tennis is dictated by the structure of the game with variable time. So,
perhaps it is apt to schedule breaks based on the structure as opposed to time
and so I revised my thoughts.

d. Continuing along these lines, I think they should schedule official toilet and/or
whatever breaks for 10 minutes after every two sets. I am sure all the advertisers
will love this also as they can peddle more things to us during this time.
This would mean that a 3-set match will have only one comfort break
(and none if it ends in straight sets) and a 5-set match will have only two comfort
breaks (and only one for the vast majority of matches that end within 4 sets).
That will not cause a hug nuisance for the audience and we would have taken
away the ability of players to time their toilet breaks for gamesmanship.

 

[GameSetAndMath]

^^ Totally agree, and I'm not being selective, since I said that "all players use them". But I was also directly referring to the BS that goes on around here from Fedfans about Rafa doing these things - you might have missed that thread - when in fact, they all do it.

Totally agree about the two hours as well: Roger took a toilet break after 1' 34" on Sunday, and again after 3' 13". Novak did too. Players are using these comfort breaks as momentum breaks and disrupting the flow, and there needs to be a policy on it. I remember when the change of ends was every two games - and that included starting the next set immediately. Had that been still the rule, Nole would have had to serve immediately after losing the fourth, and the momentum Roger gathered could have been carried on.

They changed that rule, and I think they should have another look at these things, because part of the challenge of five set tennis is having to endure the shifts of fortune, handle the physical stress and benefit from any momentum you'll have gained by winning such a close fourth set...

Totally false. The first toilet break was taken by Roger after losing the second sets at 1:34. The second one that you are referring to at 3:13 is taken by Novak after losing the 4th set.

Totally true, actually.

They both took a toilet break at the end of the fourth.

Get your act together, sonny...

They both went for a toilet break. However, the person who first sought a toilet
break was Novak. Instead of waiting on the court pacing up and down, Fed decided
to follow suit.

This is not to say that Fed has never abused toilet breaks. I am just stating the
facts of this Wimbledon.

 

[Kieran]

a. Rafa took toilet break after 0'56" against M. Kukushkin in the 3rd round
of this Wimbledon after losing the first set. That is not even 10 minutes
more than half of 1'34" that you are complaining about above.

a. I didn't complain about Roger's toilet break at 1'34" - you did, when you said that "if you cannot hold it even for two hours...you should not even be playing professional sports, IMO."

You cited Rafa, but I'm sure that you meant everybody, and I merely gave you another example.

b. I had already said in my OP on this that everybody abuses it; to make it explicit I
named both Fed and Rafa on it. Can't accuse me of being prejudicial on this.

You did, and I agreed with you.

But once you realised that Roger was equally at fault for taking one before two hours had passed, well, you had to get Rafa-centric again, and emphasise that taking one after the first set was worse than taking one after two sets - which suddenly you decided was acceptable.

But surely, "if you cannot hold it even for two hours...you should not even be playing professional sports?" You still think this, right?

c. Unlike other sports such as soccer, football, basketball etc which are dictated by
time, tennis is dictated by the structure of the game with variable time. So,
perhaps it is apt to schedule breaks based on the structure as opposed to time
and so I revised my thoughts.

Oh, here we are.

I disagree. You revised your thoughts because you found Roger being placed in the same bracket as everyone in this matter, and the reason I think this is because you went to attack Rafa, like good Fedfans always do.

We'll let this pass, but bear in mind that I did tell you about "the BS that goes on around here from Fedfans about Rafa doing these things" - and you just contributed to it.

d. Continuing along these lines, I think they should schedule official toilet and/or
whatever breaks for 10 minutes after every two sets. I am sure all the advertisers
will love this also as they can peddle more things to us during this time.
This would mean that a 3-set match will have only one comfort break
(and none if it ends in straight sets) and a 5-set match will have only two comfort
breaks (and only one for the vast majority of matches that end within 4 sets).
That will not cause a hug nuisance for the audience and we would have taken
away the ability of players to time their toilet breaks for gamesmanship.

I disagree. I think toilet breaks - if they're to be allowed - should occur only after the third set. A toilet break before then is too early. And a toilet break after the fourth set disrupts the momentum of the man who won it. I'm not really in favour of toilet breaks at all - they never used to occur, and as far as I know, the human bladder hasn't changed shape - but if they are to occur, just give them one, and penalise them for any others they take.

And that includes Rafa and Roger.

By the way, do you acknowledge that Roger took two toilet breaks during the match? It's not a big deal, but you were hasty to accuse me of posting something that was "totally false." It wasn't, of course, and I'm sure you realise you were too hasty, in retrospect...

 

[GameSetAndMath]

c. Unlike other sports such as soccer, football, basketball etc which are dictated by
time, tennis is dictated by the structure of the game with variable time. So,
perhaps it is apt to schedule breaks based on the structure as opposed to time
and so I revised my thoughts.

Oh, here we are.

I disagree. You revised your thoughts because you found Roger being placed in the same bracket as everyone in this matter, and the reason I think this is because you went to attack Rafa, like good Fedfans always do.

You can possibly disagree with the idea that the toilet breaks should be scheduled based
on the structure of the game and you will be entitled to your opinion on this matter.

However, you cannot disagree with why I revised my thoughts. Since when did you
get the ability to read minds? uzzled

Stop talking about all the BS about rafa all the time and being too sensitive.

The reason to discuss issues on the board with others is to let the opinions and
ideas evolve over issues.

 

[Kieran]

c. Unlike other sports such as soccer, football, basketball etc which are dictated by
time, tennis is dictated by the structure of the game with variable time. So,
perhaps it is apt to schedule breaks based on the structure as opposed to time
and so I revised my thoughts.

Oh, here we are.

I disagree. You revised your thoughts because you found Roger being placed in the same bracket as everyone in this matter, and the reason I think this is because you went to attack Rafa, like good Fedfans always do.

You can possibly disagree with the idea that the toilet breaks should be scheduled based
on the structure of the game and you will be entitled to your opinion on this matter.

However, you cannot disagree with why I revised my thoughts. Since when did you
get the ability to read minds? uzzled

Stop talking about all the BS about rafa all the time and being too sensitive.

The reason to discuss issues on the board with others is to let the opinions and
ideas evolve over issues.

Well, it must be a coincidence that you attacked Rafa in the same sentence where you revised your thoughts. :s

Have you revised your thoughts on Roger taking two toilet breaks, or are you standing by your erroneous allegation?

This isn't a big deal either, by the way, you were very firm and fast about it, so I think you should address it...

 

[GameSetAndMath]

I have already addressed that. You claim to read my mind, but do not read my posts? uzzled

See post number 1594.

 

[Kieran]

Ah, you did indeed. Isn't it funny how, even in that post, you go out of your way to excuse him? They're all at fault for abusing the system - Rafa, and Roger, and a lot of other players. I never said otherwise, but as we see, you Fedfans still have to try spin your bloke to be purer than the rest.

But you and I agree, anyway: they all do it.

Anyhow, glad that's cleared up. :clap

 

[GameSetAndMath]

Ah, you did indeed. Isn't it funny how, even in that post, you go out of your way to excuse him? They're all at fault for abusing the system - Rafa, and Roger, and a lot of other players. I never said otherwise, but as we see, you Fedfans still have to try spin your bloke to be purer than the rest.

But you and I agree, anyway: they all do it.

Anyhow, glad that's cleared up. :clap

What do you mean I am going out of the way to excuse him? Read about the Wimbledon
match news report from any news media; all will say Novak took toilet break after the 4th
set and not the other way (even though both went for a toilet break). This is because it
was Novak who made the request first. So, are you accusing the newspapers around the
world of spinning it?

Finally, even assuming Fed is evil and gamer, why would he want to ask for a
toilet break at the end of the fourth set when the momentum is clearly favoring him
with him having won five games in a row?