Will Nadal pass Federer?

[Kieran]

Answer the blumming question and stop squawking like a jilted hen:

Will Nadal surpass Roger's count, or not?

Yes or no?

The rest of it's between your ears, and as Don Draper once said, you'll be surprised how easily none of this happened...

 

[Federberg]

he didn't seem anyway injured as much as the Nadal fans make out and that's where the disrespect comes in.

Buddy, we love your confusions when it comes to Rafa. Federberg clicking likes on them only adds to your predicament. Seriously, you been on the wrong side of this stuff for years, to the extent that you used to make up whole fictional segments of Rafa's autobiography. :laydownlaughing :lolz:

Give it a rest... :hug

Maye you should pay attention to the silly likes other Nadal fans do because most of the time Federer fans make more valid arguments and don't succumb to what if scenarios so we tend to like realistic posts. We live in a more real world, not one where you guys seem to assume that Nadal would've won all the events he missed. I'm sure he was so utterly debilitated from his stomach virus that it meant he couldn't possibly have recovered in 18 days before the AO '13 started Newsflash though, Federer didn't "benefit" there either since Novak won.

Wish I could double 'like'!

Maggots might think they're on the 'right' side. But given the excessive fantasy already... probably not! :snicker

 

[Front242]

Answer the blumming question and stop squawking like a jilted hen:

Will Nadal surpass Roger's count, or not?

Yes or no?

The rest of it's between your ears, and as Don Draper once said, you'll be surprised how easily none of this happened...

Unless my name was Nostradamus I couldn't possibly answer that but as far as things are looking so far, probably no. And even Nostradamus got loads of things wrong

 

[Kieran]

Did Rafa skip 2009 RG? He was clearly not injured enough to play RG and smoke his first 4 opponents... Roger wasn't sick enough to skip AO 2008 and other tournaments either. Both guys played way worse than we were accustomed to seeing but they showed up, they played, and they lost. So again, what is the difference between Rafa and his knees in RG 09 and Roger and his mono in 2008?

You're serious, right? :laydownlaughing

Well, for a start, mono didn't seem to affect Roger during that event. I mean, he played almost 5 hours in the heat with Tipsy, then two days later made a miraculous recovery and dispatched Birdman in straights. He seemed fine there, right? I mean, we're using your logic.

What happened to Rafa after the FO? He skipped Wimbo. Fairly big indicator there, I'd say.

We're kinda checking this creeping revisionism, the kinda stuff that says, yeah, Rafa had a few minor injuries in his career, nothing that Roger wouldn't play through, like the way he played through his chronic back pain since he was 12. That sort of thing.

Fact: Rafa has been adversely affected by injuries and a cycle of withdrawal/recovery/return for the past few seasons. Would you agree with this?

 

[Kieran]

Answer the blumming question and stop squawking like a jilted hen:

Will Nadal surpass Roger's count, or not?

Yes or no?

The rest of it's between your ears, and as Don Draper once said, you'll be surprised how easily none of this happened...

Unless my name was Nostradamus I couldn't possibly answer that but as far as things are looking so far, probably no. And even Nostradamus got loads of things wrong

Far as I know he got most things wrong, but a little known quatrain of his, oft-ignored but should be remembered:

When the honest bull races from the island,
The Narcissist will be scared,
And whatever his followers (?) think is sacred,
The honest bull from Manacar will take and desecrate and then the fans of Ralph the Younger will have a helluva time celebrating, no? Si? :celeb: :celeb:

 

[DarthFed]

Did Rafa skip 2009 RG? He was clearly not injured enough to play RG and smoke his first 4 opponents... Roger wasn't sick enough to skip AO 2008 and other tournaments either. Both guys played way worse than we were accustomed to seeing but they showed up, they played, and they lost. So again, what is the difference between Rafa and his knees in RG 09 and Roger and his mono in 2008?

You're serious, right? :laydownlaughing

Well, for a start, mono didn't seem to affect Roger during that event. I mean, he played almost 5 hours in the heat with Tipsy, then two days later made a miraculous recovery and dispatched Birdman in straights. He seemed fine there, right? I mean, we're using your logic.

What happened to Rafa after the FO? He skipped Wimbo. Fairly big indicator there, I'd say.

We're kinda checking this creeping revisionism, the kinda stuff that says, yeah, Rafa had a few minor injuries in his career, nothing that Roger wouldn't play through, like the way he played through his chronic back pain since he was 12. That sort of thing.

Fact: Rafa has been adversely affected by injuries and a cycle of withdrawal/recovery/return for the past few seasons. Would you agree with this?

So, the fact he had to go to 5 with a no name at a time when he was perceived darn near invincible is not a sign that something was wrong? Roger stunk that tournament even before he was listless in a straight set beatdown against a young Nole. Yet a much superior Soderling (compared to the likes of Tipsy) destroying every shot that came his way is a sign that Rafa was a total cripple at RG. Do you see how this is a contradiction on your part? Roger plays like crap at AO, he's fine. Rafa plays like crap at RG and he is crippled, could barely walk, etc.

You do realize that Rafa withdrew from Wimbledon AFTER he got his ass kicked by Sod right? Do you not know how tendinitis works? Here's a hint, Rafa getting run like a rag doll for 4 sets is probably what pushed it over the edge. He was more of a yo-yo that match than any I'd seen up to that point. And with his practice schedule he may have overdone it the week leading up to Queens. If his knees before Wimbledon were the same as his knees at RG he'd be a fool not to have played. But we also know that he is a bit of a puss when it comes to his injuries and ailments. We are talking someone who skipped the AO due to a tummy ache 3 weeks before the tournament. Roger, Nole, damn near anyone is tougher than Rafa when it comes to playing through discomfort.

 

[Front242]

Did Rafa skip 2009 RG? He was clearly not injured enough to play RG and smoke his first 4 opponents... Roger wasn't sick enough to skip AO 2008 and other tournaments either. Both guys played way worse than we were accustomed to seeing but they showed up, they played, and they lost. So again, what is the difference between Rafa and his knees in RG 09 and Roger and his mono in 2008?

You're serious, right? :laydownlaughing

Well, for a start, mono didn't seem to affect Roger during that event. I mean, he played almost 5 hours in the heat with Tipsy, then two days later made a miraculous recovery and dispatched Birdman in straights. He seemed fine there, right? I mean, we're using your logic.

What happened to Rafa after the FO? He skipped Wimbo. Fairly big indicator there, I'd say.

We're kinda checking this creeping revisionism, the kinda stuff that says, yeah, Rafa had a few minor injuries in his career, nothing that Roger wouldn't play through, like the way he played through his chronic back pain since he was 12. That sort of thing.

Fact: Rafa has been adversely affected by injuries and a cycle of withdrawal/recovery/return for the past few seasons. Would you agree with this?

Good one. Conveniently forgetting Rafa's miraculous recovery after the match against Verdasco at the AO '09. But hey I guess Roger's more super human than Rafa right? History would tell us Roger tires a lot more easily in long matches. Rafa may have made his knee worse playing golf or fishing for all we know but he sure as hell didn't look all that impaired at RG '09 to anyone but the most blind hardcore fans looking for an easy excuse for his loss. Going by previous history there was a high probability of a complete nobody knocking him out before week 2 of Wimbledon anyway so really, he probably didn't miss out on much except another early exit.

Dunno why you're making the pointless jibe about chronic back pain either 'cos no Federer fans have even mentioned any excuse about that, only you, a Nadal fan. And yes, going by other players with far more serious injuries, Nadal's do seem minor by comparison. It was always a case of him looking perfectly fine to most when he lost and then since he took a few months off it had to therefore be "really serious". Remember when he came back from a big losing streak to Novak with a vastly improved backhand... how do you know he wasn't taking an extended break to improve the area that was causing him to lose against Djokovic most of 2011?

 

[Front242]

Answer the blumming question and stop squawking like a jilted hen:

Will Nadal surpass Roger's count, or not?

Yes or no?

The rest of it's between your ears, and as Don Draper once said, you'll be surprised how easily none of this happened...

Unless my name was Nostradamus I couldn't possibly answer that but as far as things are looking so far, probably no. And even Nostradamus got loads of things wrong

Far as I know he got most things wrong, but a little known quatrain of his, oft-ignored but should be remembered:

When the honest bull races from the island,
The Narcissist will be scared,
And whatever his followers (?) think is sacred,
The honest bull from Manacar will take and desecrate and then the fans of Ralph the Younger will have a helluva time celebrating, no? Si? :celeb: :celeb:

Sorry, you lost with me honest but I'm with you on bull

 

[Kieran]

So, the fact he had to go to 5 with a no name at a time when he was perceived darn near invincible is not a sign that something was wrong? Roger stunk that tournament even before he was listless in a straight set beatdown against a young Nole. Yet a much superior Soderling (compared to the likes of Tipsy) destroying every shot that came his way is a sign that Rafa was a total cripple at RG. Do you see how this is a contradiction on your part? Roger plays like crap at AO, he's fine. Rafa plays like crap at RG and he is crippled, could barely walk, etc.

You do realize that Rafa withdrew from Wimbledon AFTER he got his ass kicked by Sod right? Do you not know how tendinitis works? Here's a hint, Rafa getting run like a rag doll for 4 sets is probably what pushed it over the edge. He was more of a yo-yo that match than any I'd seen up to that point. And with his practice schedule he may have overdone it the week leading up to Queens. If his knees before Wimbledon were the same as his knees at RG he'd be a fool not to have played. But we also know that he is a bit of a puss when it comes to his injuries and ailments. We are talking someone who skipped the AO due to a tummy ache 3 weeks before the tournament. Roger, Nole, damn near anyone is tougher than Rafa when it comes to playing through discomfort.

Easy now, brother, let's not go slagging the field. He went to five against a "no-mark", and that match lasted almost five hours in the sweltering Ozzie heat - and Federer ailing with mono.

Then two days later he dispatched the world #13 in straights.

Now, that's a fine recovery, right? For a bloke with mono.

As for what Sod was ably and expertly doing, he was batting away short balls. And then Rafa withdrew from Wimbledon. Do you understand why?

Now, I'm not saying Roger didn't have mono - don't misunderstand what we're discussing here. Your sentence that "we also know that he is a bit of a puss when it comes to his injuries and ailments. We are talking someone who skipped the AO due to a tummy ache 3 weeks before the tournament. Roger, Nole, damn near anyone is tougher than Rafa when it comes to playing through discomfort" in inaccurate. We're not talking about "discomfort". Discomfort is what Rafa played through in the 2007 Wimbledon final when he was hitting Roger so hard in the fourth set that Roger squealed like a lady and the dogs in the Battersea Dog's Home began to howl outta the pain to their ears.

That's "playing through discomfort." He did that for years, and we're not talking about that. We're talking about injury. Hell, Rafa played on against Stan with a back injury that meant he couldn't hardly move. Let's not be silly and get into denial.

I asked you a couple of questions, there's no need to answer them if you don't want to. This kinda thing can go on and on. Feel free to answer them, though, if you'd like to. I'm curious as to the level of this stuff Fedfans want to block out, especially when it's not necessary to...

 

[Kieran]

Good one. Conveniently forgetting Rafa's miraculous recovery after the match against Verdasco at the AO '09. But hey I guess Roger's more super human than Rafa right?

Rafa didn't have mono.

Going by previous history there was a high probability of a complete nobody knocking him out before week 2 of Wimbledon anyway so really, he probably didn't miss out on much except another early exit.

Previous history? In 2009? He was the defending champion, and he'd been in the three previous finals... :laydownlaughing

 

[britbox]

Based on this thread, Nadal might have been better sitting out this year too. He'd have likely have been awarded another one of those hypothetical slams he'd have won without picking up a racquet.

 

[Federberg]

^:laydownlaughing

Couldn't have put it better myself britbox

Oh to live in Nadalfanworld!

 

[Kieran]

Based on this thread, Nadal might have been better sitting out this year too. He'd have likely have been awarded another one of those hypothetical slams he'd have won without picking up a racquet.

That's how you twist an argument, brother. We've seen the same thing mentioned about Roger in 2008. This is how it goes and always will in the ongoing Fedal Wars. We've taken them out of the thread that was made for them, and we're going everywhere with them...

 

[DarthFed]

So, the fact he had to go to 5 with a no name at a time when he was perceived darn near invincible is not a sign that something was wrong? Roger stunk that tournament even before he was listless in a straight set beatdown against a young Nole. Yet a much superior Soderling (compared to the likes of Tipsy) destroying every shot that came his way is a sign that Rafa was a total cripple at RG. Do you see how this is a contradiction on your part? Roger plays like crap at AO, he's fine. Rafa plays like crap at RG and he is crippled, could barely walk, etc.

You do realize that Rafa withdrew from Wimbledon AFTER he got his ass kicked by Sod right? Do you not know how tendinitis works? Here's a hint, Rafa getting run like a rag doll for 4 sets is probably what pushed it over the edge. He was more of a yo-yo that match than any I'd seen up to that point. And with his practice schedule he may have overdone it the week leading up to Queens. If his knees before Wimbledon were the same as his knees at RG he'd be a fool not to have played. But we also know that he is a bit of a puss when it comes to his injuries and ailments. We are talking someone who skipped the AO due to a tummy ache 3 weeks before the tournament. Roger, Nole, damn near anyone is tougher than Rafa when it comes to playing through discomfort.

Easy now, brother, let's not go slagging the field. He went to five against a "no-mark", and that match lasted almost five hours in the sweltering Ozzie heat - and Federer ailing with mono.

Then two days later he dispatched the world #13 in straights.

Now, that's a fine recovery, right? For a bloke with mono.

As for what Sod was ably and expertly doing, he was batting away short balls. And then Rafa withdrew from Wimbledon. Do you understand why?

Now, I'm not saying Roger didn't have mono - don't misunderstand what we're discussing here. Your sentence that "we also know that he is a bit of a puss when it comes to his injuries and ailments. We are talking someone who skipped the AO due to a tummy ache 3 weeks before the tournament. Roger, Nole, damn near anyone is tougher than Rafa when it comes to playing through discomfort" in inaccurate. We're not talking about "discomfort". Discomfort is what Rafa played through in the 2007 Wimbledon final when he was hitting Roger so hard in the fourth set that Roger squealed like a lady and the dogs in the Battersea Dog's Home began to howl outta the pain to their ears.

That's "playing through discomfort." He did that for years, and we're not talking about that. We're talking about injury. Hell, Rafa played on against Stan with a back injury that meant he couldn't hardly move. Let's not be silly and get into denial.

I asked you a couple of questions, there's no need to answer them if you don't want to. This kinda thing can go on and on. Feel free to answer them, though, if you'd like to. I'm curious as to the level of this stuff Fedfans want to block out, especially when it's not necessary to...

What questions are those? You're the one dodging them brudda.

I repeat, did Rafa not play RG 09? Is it not possible that the physical beating he took getting run ragged for probably close to 4 hours is what caused his knees to buckle, especially when we are talking an ailment that is solely due to overuse? That's my favorite part of the argument that the Wafa nuts don't mention. They're of the mind that his knees before and during the Sod match were in the same condition as the knees that led him to miss Wimbledon. I think getting run ragged chasing bombs around the court may have had an impact :cover And what I say about him dealing with ailments is true...he doesn't handle them well. Takes forever and a day to come back and even skipped a major (a MAJOR) because of a tummy problem a few weeks before it began.

 

[Kieran]

What questions are those? You're the one dodging them brudda.

I repeat, did Rafa not play RG 09? Is it not possible that the physical beating he took getting run ragged for probably close to 4 hours is what caused his knees to buckle, especially when we are talking an ailment that is solely due to overuse? That's my favorite part of the argument that the Wafa nuts don't mention. It's basically saying his knees before and during the Sod match were in the same condition as the knees that led him to miss Wimbledon. I think getting run ragged chasing bombs around the court may have had an impact :cover

The question was: Rafa has been adversely affected by injuries and a cycle of withdrawal/recovery/return for the past few seasons. Would you agree with this?

Now, as for your other stuff, because you're not being coherent, but I'm here to help you , I'll add another question: did Rafa have any knee trouble before the Sod match? And if so, could this be the same injury?

 

[britbox]

Based on this thread, Nadal might have been better sitting out this year too. He'd have likely have been awarded another one of those hypothetical slams he'd have won without picking up a racquet.

That's how you twist an argument, brother. We've seen the same thing mentioned about Roger in 2008. This is how it goes and always will in the ongoing Fedal Wars. We've taken them out of the thread that was made for them, and we're going everywhere with them...

I'm fine with doing away with all woulda coulda shoulda arguments mate. Always been consistent with the view that you win matches on court and excuses needn't apply.

 

[Federberg]

So, the fact he had to go to 5 with a no name at a time when he was perceived darn near invincible is not a sign that something was wrong? Roger stunk that tournament even before he was listless in a straight set beatdown against a young Nole. Yet a much superior Soderling (compared to the likes of Tipsy) destroying every shot that came his way is a sign that Rafa was a total cripple at RG. Do you see how this is a contradiction on your part? Roger plays like crap at AO, he's fine. Rafa plays like crap at RG and he is crippled, could barely walk, etc.

You do realize that Rafa withdrew from Wimbledon AFTER he got his ass kicked by Sod right? Do you not know how tendinitis works? Here's a hint, Rafa getting run like a rag doll for 4 sets is probably what pushed it over the edge. He was more of a yo-yo that match than any I'd seen up to that point. And with his practice schedule he may have overdone it the week leading up to Queens. If his knees before Wimbledon were the same as his knees at RG he'd be a fool not to have played. But we also know that he is a bit of a puss when it comes to his injuries and ailments. We are talking someone who skipped the AO due to a tummy ache 3 weeks before the tournament. Roger, Nole, damn near anyone is tougher than Rafa when it comes to playing through discomfort.

Easy now, brother, let's not go slagging the field. He went to five against a "no-mark", and that match lasted almost five hours in the sweltering Ozzie heat - and Federer ailing with mono.

Then two days later he dispatched the world #13 in straights.

Now, that's a fine recovery, right? For a bloke with mono.

As for what Sod was ably and expertly doing, he was batting away short balls. And then Rafa withdrew from Wimbledon. Do you understand why?

Now, I'm not saying Roger didn't have mono - don't misunderstand what we're discussing here. Your sentence that "we also know that he is a bit of a puss when it comes to his injuries and ailments. We are talking someone who skipped the AO due to a tummy ache 3 weeks before the tournament. Roger, Nole, damn near anyone is tougher than Rafa when it comes to playing through discomfort" in inaccurate. We're not talking about "discomfort". Discomfort is what Rafa played through in the 2007 Wimbledon final when he was hitting Roger so hard in the fourth set that Roger squealed like a lady and the dogs in the Battersea Dog's Home began to howl outta the pain to their ears.

That's "playing through discomfort." He did that for years, and we're not talking about that. We're talking about injury. Hell, Rafa played on against Stan with a back injury that meant he couldn't hardly move. Let's not be silly and get into denial.

I asked you a couple of questions, there's no need to answer them if you don't want to. This kinda thing can go on and on. Feel free to answer them, though, if you'd like to. I'm curious as to the level of this stuff Fedfans want to block out, especially when it's not necessary to...

What questions are those? You're the one dodging them brudda.

I repeat, did Rafa not play RG 09? Is it not possible that the physical beating he took getting run ragged for probably close to 4 hours is what caused his knees to buckle, especially when we are talking an ailment that is solely due to overuse? That's my favorite part of the argument that the Wafa nuts don't mention. They're of the mind that his knees before and during the Sod match were in the same condition as the knees that led him to miss Wimbledon. I think getting run ragged chasing bombs around the court may have had an impact :cover And what I say about him dealing with ailments is true...he doesn't handle them well. Takes forever and a day to come back and even skipped a major (a MAJOR) because of a tummy problem a few weeks before it began.

Stop! You're making too much sense. In Nadalfanworld, reality has no place. It's pure fantasy :lolz:

 

[Front242]

He's been run ragged by nobodies in a lot of those losses and since he knows pretty much no other way to play than run after the ball like Lassie playing catch it probably doesn't help. But that's his fault and nothing that makes Federer "lucky" or Nadal unfortunate. Stupid maybe. He should use his head more and not play like that.

 

[DarthFed]

What questions are those? You're the one dodging them brudda.

I repeat, did Rafa not play RG 09? Is it not possible that the physical beating he took getting run ragged for probably close to 4 hours is what caused his knees to buckle, especially when we are talking an ailment that is solely due to overuse? That's my favorite part of the argument that the Wafa nuts don't mention. It's basically saying his knees before and during the Sod match were in the same condition as the knees that led him to miss Wimbledon. I think getting run ragged chasing bombs around the court may have had an impact :cover

The question was: Rafa has been adversely affected by injuries and a cycle of withdrawal/recovery/return for the past few seasons. Would you agree with this?

Now, as for your other stuff, because you're not being coherent, but I'm here to help you , I'll add another question: did Rafa have any knee trouble before the Sod match? And if so, could this be the same injury?

Yes poor poor Wafa has had a wide array of issues. Hard to keep up with them, almost would be as fun as keeping up with the Kardashians. Anyways, what do the last few seasons have to do with whether or not he played RG 2009?

I don't remember if all his 2006 and earlier issues were knee related, but again what does this have to do with him playing RG 2009? And the same injury? Tendinitis is tendinitis. It is really an ailment, not an injury. The fact he's had it, and the fact his ugly style is so demanding, makes it more likely to be recurring. Again, what does this have to do with him playing and losing RG 2009?

 

[Kieran]

Based on this thread, Nadal might have been better sitting out this year too. He'd have likely have been awarded another one of those hypothetical slams he'd have won without picking up a racquet.

That's how you twist an argument, brother. We've seen the same thing mentioned about Roger in 2008. This is how it goes and always will in the ongoing Fedal Wars. We've taken them out of the thread that was made for them, and we're going everywhere with them...

I'm fine with doing away with all woulda coulda shoulda arguments mate. Always been consistent with the view that you win matches on court and excuses needn't apply.

Well, woulda coulda brudda goes on both sides, and so do the excuses, you'll get no argument from me there, but I kinda disagree with you in this sense: discussions like this are made for discussion sites like this. It's the same as going out drinking with your mates. I'm sure you've gotten into similar stuff talking about Liverpool and Man Utd etc. They're part and parcel...