Whose GF is most beautiful?

[Horsa]

Thanks to @GameSetAndMath for bumping this. Why not, if everyone wants to discuss it? Plus, maybe I'll get pictures without having to google them, myself.

Since Ann has weighed in for the women, I'll do, as well, then you guys can have at it. But remember, Ann has asked you to consider more than the superficial. You're on notice, dudes.

I will say, as has been noted, that I've always been a bit happy with Roger and Rafa that they didn't go the super-model route. While I think that both Mirka and Mary are very beautiful, they aren't super-models and they seem to fit their men in a real-life way, not just a trophy GF way. I find this admirable. Not to disparage the players that have the super-model GFs/wives. Just to say that either Roger or Rafa could have done the 'dump the old one and upgrade to a supermodel,' and they didn't. It does say something about them.

That said, we girls have weighed in. Let loose, fellas.

Since the men refuse to look at us as a whole person, please can we gawp at sophisticated looking men? We can give them a taste of their own medicine. I like the contemplative look & I'm a sucker for men in kilts.

 

[Moxie]

Lol! Personally I don't give a hoot about what women think about female beauty. It's as absurd as DF arguing with someone last year about if an ATP player was good looking. I had to roast him for that. Ladies... stay in your lane

Title of the thread says "most beautiful," not "hottest." Everyone has opinions about beauty.

 

[Federberg]

You know what I'm talking about. I've put it plainly enough & we communicate in the same language. (Well, we did last time I noticed. Maybe you'd prefer me to type in French or Spanish instead?). You'd complain if we stared at men in the "Phwoar! Look at him!" way but like to see women & judge them for what they look like. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinions on beautiful women & know that women's needs won't change what anyone thinks but think sometimes men can be too judgemental. I know women can be too judgemental when it comes to men too. I don't just depend on looks & see beauty as more than just looks as you could see by my poem. A truly beautiful woman also has a good voice & can have a very interesting conversation with you. I don't have a problem to conquer. I see men for more than just looks so think that's how women should be seen. If you want to stare at pictures of women & think "Phwoar! Look at her!" that's your choice though.

I couldn't care less how you look at men. Quite frankly if women prioritised men's looks it wouldn't bother a good proportion of us In reality that isn't our experience. Achievement and wealth seem to be higher in the scale for a lot of women. Both sexes have their superficialities, they're just different. For example a man, generally speaking, is likely to find an older wealthy woman less attractive than a drop dead gorgeous young woman who can't rub two coins together. Do we complain (actually we do)? It is what it is and that's all it is. I'll be damned if I care what tickles a woman. Each to their own

 

[Federberg]

Title of the thread says "most beautiful," not "hottest." Everyone has opinions about beauty.

Tomato tomatoes

 

[imjimmy]

You'd complain if we stared at men in the "Phwoar! Look at him!" way but like to see women & judge them for what they look like. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinions on beautiful women & know that women's needs won't change what anyone thinks but think sometimes men can be too judgemental.

See that's where I disagree. Women can be just as superficial as men in terms of judging by looks alone. I can say that from personal experience. But even discounting that, it's just a stereotype that it's only men who chase looks. There's plenty of women who've left marriages/committed relationships - for guys who were younger and better looking than their partners. I feel that the with women being increasingly more independent, financially well off and flourishing in their careers, they too have changed their priorities..

 

[imjimmy]

I’m surprised anyone thinks Nadal’s gf is pretty. His sister is way better looking. Maybe I’m just looking at the face while men are more focused on the body?? Tim Henman’s wife was beautiful.

I do agree with that. It seems that the ATG of this era - Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have fairly pedestrian partners (judging by external appearance alone) than what might be expected given their superstar status. But as we go down in the ranks - ex Roddick, Juan Monaco, Moya, Berdych, Verdasco, Haas, Fish, Soderling, Blake - have model/super-model type partners.

Once again it isn't necessary that a women can't be both beautiful and virtuous/supportive thereby being a great partner. So for ex Carlos Moya's wife -Carolina Cerezuela - who was an actress/model could likely be as ideal a partner for Moya as Mirka is for Federer for ex..

 

[Horsa]

I couldn't care less how you look at men. Quite frankly if women prioritised men's looks it wouldn't bother a good proportion of us In reality that isn't our experience. Achievement and wealth seem to be higher in the scale for a lot of women. Both sexes have their superficialities, they're just different. For example a man, generally speaking, is likely to find an older wealthy woman less attractive than a drop dead gorgeous young woman who can't rub two coins together. Do we complain (actually we do)? It is what it is and that's all it is. I'll be damned if I care what tickles a woman. Each to their own

That's fine & fair enough. I've shown you an attitude problem at times so you're entitled to show me an attitude problem. I'm not money-motivated so wouldn't go for a wealthy man unless he fit into the other categories. I know that we're different. Lol. We all have our rights to have & air opinions & I respect yours as long as you respect mine.

 

[Federberg]

I do agree with that. It seems that the ATG of this era - Federer, Nadal and Djokovic have fairly pedestrian partners (judging by external appearance alone) than what might be expected given their superstar status. But as we go down in the ranks - ex Roddick, Juan Monaco, Moya, Berdych, Verdasco, Haas, Fish, Soderling, Blake - have model/super-model type partners.

Once again it isn't necessary that a women can't be both beautiful and virtuous/supportive thereby being a great partner. So for ex Carlos Moya's wife -Carolina Cerezuela - who was an actress/model could likely be as ideal a partner for Moya as Mirka is for Federer for ex..

Amen for different tastes! I think she's gorgeous. As they say, one man's food is another man's poison

 

[Federberg]

That's fine & fair enough. I've shown you an attitude problem at times so you're entitled to show me an attitude problem. I'm not money-motivated so wouldn't go for a wealthy man unless he fit into the other categories. I know that we're different. Lol. We all have our rights to have & air opinions & I respect yours as long as you respect mine.

I'm not sure why you think there's any attitude involved in my response. I have my tastes, you have yours. There's no moral hierarchy here. We're all different. Implying that one person's tastes is misogynistic or patronising because it differs from yours is your issue not mine. As I said, it is what it is and that's all there is to it

 

[Horsa]

See that's where I disagree. Women can be just as superficial as men in terms of judging by looks alone. I can say that from personal experience. But even discounting that, it's just a stereotype that it's only men who chase looks. There's plenty of women who've left marriages/committed relationships - for guys who were younger and better looking than their partners. I feel that the with women being increasingly more independent, financially well off and flourishing in their careers, they too have changed their priorities..

O.K. I know. I've noticed that personally too. I'm disgusted by women I've overheard in pubs, etc. who go "Phwoar! Look at him. He's got a nice rear." & say other things like that & it makes it bad for ladies who see people as a complete package. Truth being told I had a lazy eye as a young girl & had to have an operation & I've had to wear spectacles on & off all my life. As 1 eye does most of the work I don't always see as well as others though I was always a brilliant reader so most of the time I notice people by their voices & what they say rather than looks & have an audial memory though I remember a lot of what I read. The optician explained to me why I don't realise why 1 eye is doing most of the work until I go for eye tests. She was also amazed I saw 3D films properly. This makes it harder for me to judge people on looks.

 

[Horsa]

I'm not sure why you think there's any attitude involved in my response. I have my tastes, you have yours. There's no moral hierarchy here. We're all different. Implying that one person's tastes is misogynistic or patronising because it differs from yours is your issue not mine. As I said, it is what it is and that's all there is to it

I'm very sorry. I mis-read you. I did think you were trying to patronise women as just being fancy-pieces. Combined with the fact I could sense anger in your words & didn't think I'd said anything wrong that's why I thought you had an attitude problem. Everyone has their own aesthetic tastes in beauty as they do in art & it wouldn't do for all of us to do the same. (I'm using art here as an example because some people would see beauty as a definition of art but I have a more extensive idea. My favourite artist is George Stubbs & think abstract art is ugly though a lot of people like it). Nobody is better than anyone else & everyone is unique. No one is perfect. The fact that I thought you were trying to patronise women was the cause of the problem. I didn't have a problem with you having & airing an opinion. My problem was mis-reading the reason why you thought that & the intention behind it. I'm very sorry if I came across as being too judgemental. When I'm wrong I say I'm wrong & when I'm wrong I apologise. I'll just eat humble pie & say sorry for saying you had an attitude problem. Anyway, I think it was a 2-way affair & we both gave more or less what we got & showed an attitude problem. It was a case of 6 of 1 & 1/2 a dozen of the other. I'm very sorry for the misunderstanding. Can we just draw a line under this & move on, please? Neither of us are bad people.

 

[Federberg]

I'm very sorry. I mis-read you. I did think you were trying to patronise women as just being fancy-pieces. Combined with the fact I could sense anger in your words & didn't think I'd said anything wrong that's why I thought you had an attitude problem. Everyone has their own aesthetic tastes in beauty as they do in art & it wouldn't do for all of us to do the same. (I'm using art here as an example because some people would see beauty as a definition of art but I have a more extensive idea. My favourite artist is George Stubbs & think abstract art is ugly though a lot of people like it). Nobody is better than anyone else & everyone is unique. No one is perfect. The fact that I thought you were trying to patronise women was the cause of the problem. I didn't have a problem with you having & airing an opinion. My problem was mis-reading the reason why you thought that & the intention behind it. I'm very sorry if I came across as being too judgemental.

I think I'm pretty clear when I'm emoting Probably best to focus on what posters say rather than attributing emotional context to other peoples writing. Both sexes objectify the other to some extent. That's part of the sexual experience. When one person meets another and actually gets to know them then other ingredients are added to the mix. But there is simply no way to avoid a certain amount of objectification when you're looking at someone on tv. It's definitional

 

[Horsa]

I think I'm pretty clear when I'm emoting Probably best to focus on what posters say rather than attributing emotional context to other peoples writing. Both sexes objectify the other to some extent. That's part of the sexual experience. When one person meets another and actually gets to know them then other ingredients are added to the mix. But there is simply no way to avoid a certain amount of objectification when you're looking at someone on tv. It's definitional

Oh! Sorry! Maybe I read too much into it. I always try to consider other people's feelings as well as what they say & understand why they may see things the way they do. I don't just take things at face value. Maybe I should just do basic reading sometimes instead of reading between the lines & reading critically. Maybe in future I'd be better off asking you nicely in private what your intentions & reasons behind comments like that are before anticipating how people are feeling & judging them. I'm very sorry if I offended you. I know. I've over-heard women in the pub say "he's got a nice behind" & was disgusted about this. I had a lazy eye as a child, because of that I had to wear specs on & off all my life so don't always see things as well as others. I don't really notice how much more work 1 eye does than the other until eye-test time but my optician said that was something about my eyes & brain working together to balance things out & she was amazed I could see a 3D film correctly. When I heard this, I was actually baffled at why I appear to be able to read brilliantly. Anyway enough of the ramble, the point being, as a result of this, I normally recognise & remember people by their voices & what they say & judge them for their voices & what they say. :0)

 

[Federberg]

Oh! Sorry! Maybe I read too much into it. I always try to consider other people's feelings as well as what they say & understand why they may see things the way they do. I don't just take things at face value. Maybe I should just do basic reading sometimes instead of reading between the lines & reading critically. Maybe in future I'd be better off asking you nicely in private what your intentions & reasons behind comments like that are before anticipating how people are feeling & judging them. I'm very sorry if I offended you. I know. I've over-heard women in the pub say "he's got a nice behind" & was disgusted about this. I had a lazy eye as a child, because of that I had to wear specs on & off all my life so don't always see things as well as others. I don't really notice how much more work 1 eye does than the other until eye-test time but my optician said that was something about my eyes & brain working together to balance things out & she was amazed I could see a 3D film correctly. When I heard this, I was actually baffled at why I appear to be able to read brilliantly. Anyway enough of the ramble, the point being, as a result of this, I normally recognise & remember people by their voices & what they say & judge them for their voices & what they say. :0)

Why is it disgusting if a woman notices a guy has a nice behind? Perfectly natural. I'm glad society has moved on to the extent that a woman feels it's ok to express herself however she chooses. As for trying to understand what I mean, there's no reason to PM. Just ask in the thread, I have no problem answering. It doesn't need to be escalated to a PM, it's not that dramatic in my view

 

[Horsa]

Why is it disgusting if a woman notices a guy has a nice behind? Perfectly natural. I'm glad society has moved on to the extent that a woman feels it's ok to express herself however she chooses. As for trying to understand what I mean, there's no reason to PM. Just ask in the thread, I have no problem answering. It doesn't need to be escalated to a PM, it's not that dramatic in my view

I don't like it if men notice I'm top-heavy so why is it o.k. for women to think a man has a nice posterior? I prefer them to notice me for other reasons. Mind you, luckily, the last couple of times men noticed me they had fascinating conversations with me about Charlotte Bronte & William Wordsworth. (Apparently Wordsworth's daffodils didn't originally read "I wondered lonely as a cloud which floats on high o'er vales & hills when all at once I saw a crowd, a host of golden daffodils" there were other words instead of just as but after Wordsworth's death his wife thought there were too many syllables & it didn't flow right so altered it to the version it is today. I wonder what it originally looked like). There are still a lot of taboo subjects. I talk about taboo subjects myself sometimes & I don't mean about a certain drink that some ladies including myself like to drink with lemonade. You have no problem with women saying exactly what they think & feel then? I'm confused. Why do you have a problem with me having a problem with some men just seeing women for looks & stating that fact especially as I've not been offensive to anyone, called names or swore & I've expressed myself nicely, tactfully (most of the time), diplomatically & euphemistically & I've been respectful? You know I'm the least argumentative person here so actually you've achieved something. You got me to argue with you. I don't like arguing. I say what I think normally in glamourous language or in rhyme or just stick to facts. I completely understand your meaning. I'm not stupid though I may act it at times. If you want me to act stupid I can act that stupid I can't even understand a word you say. It's the intention behind your opinions & the mood you're in that I don't always get. I know everyone has moods & how they respond at the time sometimes depends on these moods. I've had to deal with a lot of moody people & got on the wrong side of them sometimes. Reading moods is like a defence mechanism for me sometimes. Even if I've had an answer for someone for ages sometimes I wait until I think someone is in a good mood before saying something to keep out of the firing line. Sometimes I do it because I know someone is upset & I try to cheer them up & not say something I think will upset them even more. I know we agreed to sort problems out like civilised human beings in P.M. & you told me off in public once & said anything like that you wanted me to discuss with you privately but you had no problem with me. Remember? :0)

 

[herios]

I think Pete Sampras wife may have been one of the best beauties of the tennis wives. No wonder why Pete doesnt travels much because every “snake’ out there would try to worm their way to his home.[/QUOTE

Too Hollywood IMO. But if you like that type, that is your choice. For me is not the best looking.

 

[Federberg]

I don't like it if men notice I'm top-heavy so why is it o.k. for women to think a man has a nice posterior? I prefer them to notice me for other reasons. Mind you, luckily, the last couple of times men noticed me they had fascinating conversations with me about Charlotte Bronte & William Wordsworth. (Apparently Wordsworth's daffodils didn't originally read "I wondered lonely as a cloud which floats on high o'er vales & hills when all at once I saw a crowd, a host of golden daffodils" there were other words instead of just as but after Wordsworth's death his wife thought there were too many syllables & it didn't flow right so altered it to the version it is today. I wonder what it originally looked like). There are still a lot of taboo subjects. I talk about taboo subjects myself sometimes & I don't mean about a certain drink that some ladies including myself like to drink with lemonade. You have no problem with women saying exactly what they think & feel then? I'm confused. Why do you have a problem with me having a problem with some men just seeing women for looks & stating that fact especially as I've not been offensive to anyone, called names or swore & I've expressed myself nicely, tactfully (most of the time), diplomatically & euphemistically & I've been respectful? You know I'm the least argumentative person here so actually you've achieved something. You got me to argue with you. I don't like arguing. I say what I think normally in glamourous language or in rhyme or just stick to facts. I completely understand your meaning. I'm not stupid though I may act it at times. If you want me to act stupid I can act that stupid I can't even understand a word you say. It's the intention behind your opinions & the mood you're in that I don't always get. I know everyone has moods & how they respond at the time sometimes depends on these moods. I've had to deal with a lot of moody people & got on the wrong side of them sometimes. Reading moods is like a defence mechanism for me sometimes. Even if I've had an answer for someone for ages sometimes I wait until I think someone is in a good mood before saying something to keep out of the firing line. Sometimes I do it because I know someone is upset & I try to cheer them up & not say something I think will upset them even more. I know we agreed to sort problems out like civilised human beings in P.M. & you told me off in public once & said anything like that you wanted me to discuss with you privately but you had no problem with me. Remember? :0)

Don’t you see that you’re trying to impose your preferences on other people? If women like men’s butts then more power to them. If you don’t like men being interested in you because of your chest that’s your right. Neither is wrong yet you try to assign a value to one. Sexual preference or aesthetic appreciation is up to the individual. It’s the magic that makes humans unique. As for the rest I admit your post is simply too long for me to get thru it and this is getting way too serious for such a trivial topic so I’ll bow out

 

[Horsa]

Don’t you see that you’re trying to impose your preferences on other people? If women like men’s butts then more power to them. If you don’t like men being interested in you because of your chest that’s your right. Neither is wrong yet you try to assign a value to one. Sexual preference or aesthetic appreciation is up to the individual. It’s the magic that makes humans unique. As for the rest I admit your post is simply too long for me to get thru it and this is getting way too serious for such a trivial topic so I’ll bow out

I'm not trying to do anything of the sort. Please don't tell me what I'm trying to do unless you can communicate using E.S.P. because you have absolutely no idea what I'm thinking or feeling until I tell you. I'm not attempting to do anything except say what I think & feel, stand up for people of my own gender & explain myself. Now you're mis-reading me. I'm honest. Sometimes your views are very strong. Haven't you thought that on some things other people's views may be just as strong? Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts & opinions. I prefer men being interested in me for my hair, voice or what I say. Everyone is unique. I'm very sorry I can be extremely wordy at times. I disagree that people's private areas should be discussed in public & that it's a trivial matter for ladies to be discussed as just fancy-pieces. Like you said though sometimes women see men the same way which is unfair as in what's good for 1 is good for the other. We're equal so should treat others as such. I will agree to disagree on those points. :0) Good Night!

 

[herios]

Now that this thread came up again, I navigated a little to find out that Marin Cilic also got off the market

https://goo.gl/images/RMZjt2

 

[GameSetAndMath]

A picture is worth 1000 words. We need more pictures in this thread.