Who will be the best player of the 2020s?

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Yes, I get the difference. But again, you're conflating eras and chronological decades. I'm always amazed--and a bit baffled--how far you're willing to stretch things to defend Rafa, even when defense isn't necessary.
I'm not just defending Rafa. I object a bit to the notion that you give me so little credence as a debater. And as an historian. I am not conflating eras or chronological decades. This is the way the eras are seen. If you choose to ignore that, that's on you. The early 50s were really just an extention of the late 40s, as they were still very post-WWII. Is that hard for you to grok?
 

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That's 11 years ;)

Anyhow, that's not the point of this thread. Congratulations, you've made another thread about your War for Rafa.
 

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I'm not just defending Rafa. I object a bit to the notion that you give me so little credence as a debater. And as an historian. I am not conflating eras or chronological decades. This is the way the eras are seen. If you choose to ignore that, that's on you. The early 50s were really just an extention of the late 40s, as they were still very post-WWII. Is that hard for you to grok?

But that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my original post, or the chart. If you want to discuss who was the #1 candidate of the Civil Rights Era, or the Disco Era, go ahead. This is about CHRONOLOGICAL DECADES.
 
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But that has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with my original post, or the chart. If you want to discuss who was the #1 candidate of the Civil Rights Era, or the Disco Era, go ahead. This is about CHRONOLOGICAL DECADES.
But now aren't you being just crabby? God forbid it should have nothing to do with THE CHART. I made a point, which I think was valid, that closing things out at decade's end is an artificial construct. I know why you did it, and I said so. If I didn't make it clear before, I get that it's a clean choice and that we're at the beginning of a new decade. I was questioning methodology, and I mentioned birth years of your decade leaders. I thought that was worth pointing out, and didn't need me getting slagged as just a Rafa apologist. If you're going to bring out stats, aren't they worth delving into? Aren't my questions valid? Forget the historical stuff, if that's too abstract. I also answered your original question. Twice. What did I do to get on your bad side?
 

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I already spoke to what annoyed me: You turned yet another thread into yet another opportunity to defend Rafa, even when there was no offense on Rafa (Defense implies offense). This happens all. the. time.

(I don't care if you defend Rafa or not, Moxie--and sometimes, as you know, will do so myself. But the problem is that you get triggered so damn easily when it comes to Rafa, and see offense when none is intended or implied).

Imagine you start a thread saying, "Let's discuss the history of clay dominance," and someone says, "That's an artificial construct. How can you only look at clay?" Then you say, "But I want to discuss clay - that's the point of this thread." Meaning, the point of such a thread would be to focus on clay dominance, not overall dominance. And to try to make it about overall dominance usually implies an ulterior motive. In your case, it is (usually) defending Rafa and making sure he is given his due. The problem, though, is that it muddies the waters for other kinds of discussion, such as this one.

Again, the point of the thread was to look at chronological decades and weeks at #1. In other words, the point was to look through a particular lens, not discuss whether the lens was valid or not. It is a lens, no more or less. No lens tells the whole story--I have said that a million times, in almost every statistical post I make. But obviously you took issue with this lens because you found a way to see it as a slight on Rafa's greatness.

Now if you want to start a thread about greatness and how rankings relate to it, go ahead. But again, the point of this thread was to use decade leaders in weeks at #1 as a context to speculate about the 2020s.
 

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AP questioned you and you backed off. I have more questions, and all you can see as me defending Rafa. I object to that. Yes, you're looking through one lens, but why can't it be questioned? When I pointed out the relative age thing, rather than thinking it was interesting, you just blasted me. Honestly, I was just trying to discuss it. I think the one who's been thin-skinned about it is you. I hope someone has another good option for the next best #1. I didn't want to derail this.
 

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The relative age thing referred back to Rafa (surprise!). I didn't "back off" with AP, I clarified. There was nothing to "back off" about. As he said, he didn't see me as slighting Rafa. That's your gig.

But OK, Moxie. I'm not sure what else there is to say. I still love you. ;)
 

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The relative age thing referred back to Rafa (surprise!). I didn't "back off" with AP, I clarified. There was nothing to "back off" about. As he said, he didn't see me as slighting Rafa. That's your gig.

But OK, Moxie. I'm not sure what else there is to say. I still love you. ;)
Me, too you. But whenever I ask you a question, you always think it's about Rafa. Sometimes it's just a question. ;)
 
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Here is my guess, it will be person who won't get injured and will have clever timetable, will skip some "important" tour to evade injury or will play till some QF and lose. Mostly goes to Novak/Rafa pair. Thiem isnt 21 neither. Its new strategy, since from June all will be full.
 

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On a serious note, @El Dude, how easy for you would be to compile the data from the "middle decades", that is, from 1995 to 2004 (or from 1996 to 2005, but I hope no one would fight over that)? This is the polar opposite to the calendar decades, and inverts the argument.
 
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On a serious note, @El Dude, how easy for you would be to compile the data from the "middle decades", that is, from 1995 to 2004 (or from 1996 to 2005, but I hope no one would fight over that)? This is the polar opposite to the calendar decades, and inverts the argument.

I'll see if I can figure it out, but here's a chart:

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p.s. I like disco, but love funk.
 

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The numbers might not be exact, but my best estimation is that 2005-14 is like so:

Federer: 255
Nadal: 141
Djokovic: 126

Novak has been the weeks leader from 2011 to the present. Rafa was the weeks leader from 2008-11, and 2017-18.
 
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The numbers might not be exact, but my best estimation is that 2005-14 is like so:

Federer: 255
Nadal: 141
Djokovic: 126

Novak has been the weeks leader from 2011 to the present. Rafa was the weeks leader from 2008-11, and 2017-18.
Interesting
 

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Here's 2008-17, another range that yields quite different results:

(Again, they're approximations, but probably right to within 5 weeks)

Djokovic: 223
Nadal: 162
Federer: 98
Murray: 41
 
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I'll see if I can figure it out, but here's a chart:

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p.s. I like disco, but love funk.

A real child of the late 70's and early 80's I see! Disco was officially done (over done) by early 80's, but was still popular in the dance clubs! I continued finding the best disco imports downtown! During that period I was in college and a member of Columbia Record Club and filled in the spaces in my collection during sale periods! I had all the formats; album, cassette, & 8-Track and still have them in a boxes upstairs with working players! I miss those days of "The DIVA;" Donna Summer, Diana Ross, Aretha Franklin, Patty LaBelle, Barbra Streisand, & Whitney Houston! Then there were the boy Divas in Boy George, George Michael, Teddy Pendergrass, Rick James, & Sylvester! :yahoo: :partying-face: :face-with-hand-over-mouth: